China threatens Australia for investigating origin of COVID 19

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Nice Straw man.

Back to ignoring the commies in the room.

originally posted by: neo96
Bird flu.

Bird Flu (Avian Influenza) dates to 1878....in Italy.

First known human infection was in 1997 Hong Kong. It was only recognized because it had recently been isolated in China, in a goose (1996).

As much as the West wants to blame China for this, the reason we wont is because we have documented history of the west giving diseases to others. We sue them for this, they sue us using precedent we just set, plus the penalties for long term denial, etc, etc.

It would appear that Swine Flu is also a very North American issue that was gifted to the world.

a reply to: peck420

Troll someone else.

www.cdc.gov...

Human infections with an Asian lineage avian influenza A(H7N9) virus (“Asian H7N9”) were first reported in China in March 2013. Annual epidemics of sporadic human infections with Asian H7N9 viruses in China have been reported since that time. China is currently experiencing its 6th epidemic of Asian H7N9 human infections.Since October 1, 2017, there have been only 3 reported human infections.

People need to stop making effing excuses for GD communists.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: peck420

Troll someone else.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The most widely quoted date for the beginning of the recorded history of avian influenza (AI) is 1878, when researchers first differentiated a disease of poultry (initially known as fowl plague but later renamed highly pathogenic avian influenza) from other diseases with high mortality rates. Current evidence indicates that highly pathogenic AI (HPAI) viruses arise through mutation after low pathogenicity AI viruses of H5 or H7 subtype are introduced into poultry

originally posted by: neo96
People need to stop making effing excuses for GD communists.

We wait with baited breathe for you to hold your own to the same ridiculous standard you claim to hold others too.

American Exceptionalism! They did everything...except this, except that, except that...

China’s outbreak of African swine fever was more devastating than expected in 2019. After the virus was first detected in China in August 2018, it spread quickly as both farmers and local officials were reluctant to report the disease. The central government rushed to contain the outbreak, but some of the measures taken, including a transport ban, ended up aggravating the spread of the disease by creating major price differences among regions, which encouraged illegal sales of pork.

The usual suspects still IGNORING the commies in the room.

I guess it's to be expected.

It's not like CHINA is going to be held accountable.

originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: neo96
People need to stop making effing excuses for GD communists.

We wait with baited breathe for you to hold your own to the same ridiculous standard you claim to hold others too.

American Exceptionalism! They did everything...except this, except that, except that...

I have to agree that suing them would make little if any sense. They were willing to take draconian measures to contain the infection, the likes of which the USA would never be willing/able to enforce on our own people.

Unless they made the disease on purpose.



Am I the only person who thinks it's an odd coincidence that this disease mostly only kills elderly people? In a nation with a one child law, and a very lopsided young to old ratio?

They'd want to be careful not to be killing anybody's "only child". But probably be eager to save on all those retirement costs?

Crazy thought here. I've probably been in too long but I was thinking about how fast Oxford came out with their vaccine.

Super fast. But it seems like China would have been first since they produce most vaccines. Been then I thought what if they already did produce a vaccine? Maybe they added it to THEIR flu shots?

Cities in China are so crowded and public transportation is packed - I have a hard time believing all but one of their cities would be spared?

This article from last Oct said China doubled their flu vaccines:

www.chinadaily.com.cn...

a reply to: peck420

This isn't about any of those diseases nor are most a global pandemic. Those killed a few thousand at best.

None of that matters, SARS and SARS-2 both came out of that godforsaken commie dump. We demand just compensation, somewhere on the level of $2,000,000,000,000 per American life lost.

We are going to chew up and spit out the CCP. Mark my words. Normal Americans shouldn't have to suffer over some crackpots who are die hard true believers in ridiculous and disproven completely insane economic/government theories in the far east (namely that communism doesn't spread disease, famine, death and destruction).

Is there anything communism hasn't destroyed or tried to destroy? When we will wise up and remove that blemish from the face of this planet?

a reply to: JBurns

Is there anything communism hasn't destroyed or tried to destroy? When we will wise up and remove that blemish from the face of this planet?

Guess we will only wise up when we stop ignoring the horrors our own governments have done. U until then, we will always be pointing our finger at other countries and saying they are "evil" while ignoring or thinking the horrors our own governments have done is ok.

Interesting video out of Australia talking about China building war ships under lock down and trying to use bully tactics against the land down under.. The Australians I used to know would tell China to "go do themselves because you ain't doing us no more !"
I hope there are a few left who feel the same way today. youtu.be...

a reply to: Jay-morris

Ok, and what's that have to do with Chinas lies, poor hygiene, overpopulation, etc?

What's the last crime the US committed that affected billions and harmed millions?

This and many other issues are truly an indictment of the Chinese Communist Party. NOT the Great Chinese people who have been captured by the tyranny of the CCP.

One day the CCP will be overthrown and then the great nation of China will shine as a beacon of freedom and progress.

a reply to: Willtell

Correct it is not the PEOPLE but a FEW of the people in any system, nation and culture are bad.

So Racism has no place in this argument.

That said no one trusts China with it's recent aggressive expansionism in the south China sea and incursion into other nation's sovereign territory as well as building bases on reef's in the process killing those reef's which were the hatchery's for a large portion of that region's food supply - the fish that those people harvested from the sea.

Of course there is a far greater concern and that is the growing pollution of our world's ocean's but the fact China built bases on those reef's show's the current regimes utter disregard - and perhaps illiteracy - about what it will do to the eco system in that part of the world.

Now to another point, while I thoroughly believe the virus was an escaped organism from the laboratory in Wuhan.

Though there is a new possibility that has emerged, in Russia doctors whom have been researching the virus have started to fall out of window's etc, it could be Chinese interests and given the Russian underworld's mercenary nature perhaps they are doing on the Chinese regime's behalf OR could the virus have been released by Russian interests in Wuhan knowing that China would then get the blame - why - well think about it while Russia and China are currently on friendly term's both have always been very leery of the other, even during the cold war China was an ally of the US in everything but name and aimed it's missiles at the soviet union, this was because of bad blood that had occurred between the two remaining (after WW2) despotic tyrant's of the twentieth century Stalin and Mao, at first they were friendly enough but then Stalin thought he could control China and that Mao was his puppet, when Mao let him know that this was not the case Stalin attempted an invasion - the second of the twentieth century by Russia to have failed the first was at the start of the century and the Imperial Russian army was defeated by the Chinese whom though using older and inferior weapon's had one trump card the Imperial Russian's did not - firework's rockets used as artillery and a lot of them, the second invasion was when Stalin sent his army into China to try to take control when Mao did not do what Stalin told him to and the Chinese this time were on a definite more even footing with the Soviet's as well as being on there home turf so they kicked the Soviets out fast.

Now China is getting more powerful and looking for resources even investing in Africa but there is one other source of raw material's that is of definite interest to them - the former Soviet Republic's and Russians vast eastern territory which is extremely rich in natural resources, oil and gas much of which has never been tapped into.

Putin know's this so though he may appear friendly and even close with his equal number in China he may be rather more concerned about China's growing military strength, the fact China is expanding into it's own western territory's in an internal expansion that has also seen vast build up's of it's military in those regions bordering Russia and the former soviet territory's AND also Putin know's that if china decides to take and if he/Russia is not in a strong position to say NO then the Chinese will simply TAKE.

So there could just possibly be a Russian connection to the virus but as the virus is hitting Russia very hard I doubt it but it is worth adding to the pot as another potential scenario, I am sold though on it being an accidental release from the Wuhan virology laboratory and do believe it was cultured there.

Once again it has nothing to do with RACE but everything to do with politics and ideology's that will always inevitably clash.

a reply to: LABTECH767

It may be that the CCP is fulfilling this:


“The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”
―Vladimir Ilich Lenin

a reply to: Willtell

I corrected it for you:

"We will bow to the capitalists since their economic system is the only credible, viable and legitimate economic theory"
-Every communist who ever starved to death (there are millions of them)

a reply to: JBurns

Actually the best model was somewhere in between, regulated capitalism with social care and government support for business and public ownership of assets essential for the security and running of a country.

We had that until the 1980's in the UK when it was dismantled by the Thatcher government, Sweden had it working beautifully until they opened the door's to the rest of the world and were flooded with migrant's whose sole aim was to capitalize on Sweden's generous welfare system thus essentially capsizing what was actually meant for the Swedish people and NOT for the rest of the world.

Sweden's was working perfectly then they went too far to the left and upon opening there doors to people from everywhere else, well we have all heard of the problems they have there today.

My argument for you would be this debate about which system is better is actually total crap.

It was never about the system but how free people FEEL within a nation AND how high or low there living standards are.

By that reckoning the US is no longer a first world nation but is a second world nation, yes it is the richest and most powerful nation on the planet BUT who has that power not the people that is for certain AND an increasing percentage of the US population is slipping into poverty with even the employed being paid less than there work is actually worth.

So Communism is bad but I put it to you that unfettered capitalism is in fact worse.

Both systems are guilty of mass murder, lying to the people and corruption.

After WW2 we in Britain had a golden chance and we seized it, it worked until the arm wrestle between the vested interests on both sides of the iron curtain destroyed it, the communists used there agent's to corrupt out trades union's while the Capitalists used the strikes caused by the communist element's to justify destroying the social system as entirely as they could.

In the middle the little guy was the one that suffered, not as badly as elsewhere and over a longer period of time but in real world term's the Brit's are not payed anywhere near as much as they would have been had the trade union's not been attacked by both of these vested interests, the soviet's wanting to use them to push there agenda and the capitalists wanting to use them to blame for all the ill's of the nation.

The truth is BOTH capitalism and Socialism suck BUT if you manage to cut a fine line between them, ensuring that the poorest in your society are treated as human being's and NOT exploited by the powerful while maintaining a viable economy that rewards the hard work of the entrepreneurs and investors then it work's very well indeed, of course there is always going to be corruption but despite that in Britain we had a vibrant democracy while in China they have managed to create an illusion of this very model while keeping the power in the hand's of tyrant's that do not care about human right's and despite calling themselves socialists which in fact they are not the poor in China are worse off and always have been than the poor were in Britain in the post WW2 years until right up unto the start of the first decade of the twenty first century.

But one thing you do have to give China, they ensure all there kid's have a decent education - even if that means' brainwashing and conditioning them (oath of allegiance anyone), to my mind though it is pretty much like the pot calling the kettle black, both the US and China abuse human right's when it suit's them.

At least in the US you have right's under the law - if and when those law's are respected but remember you have emergency powers in place that were only ever meant to last the duration of WW2 that allow those right's to be ignored and those powers have never been rescinded as in fact they should have been.

Lasty there are good and bad people on both sides of that debate, good people that believe in both systems with all there tiny little hearts - bless em - foolish kid's.

Wake up and smell the truth it is not hard to do.


Me, I am a royalist, oh not to the royal family of jumped up inbred pygmy brain's that ol Dave Ike think's are lizards (mad man though he has a point), no my royal family are because I am a Christian - no one that call's a man king on this earth is a Christian sorry it say's it right there in my bible you can only have one master or if you have two you will hate one and despise the other - so my king as a Christian is non other than Jesus, his law's including the basis of ALL socialist ideology are in the bible, if you have two coat's and your brother has non give him the one you are not using - oh and even a form of welfare is in the bible though you know the oldest known civilization on earth in the fertile crescent also looked after ALL it's citizen's.

So in fact both the Chinese Communist party and the corporate stooges that have circumvented the US government long ago and push this crap about unfettered free trade and unregulated capitalism were the poor pay all the tax out of there wages and the rich pay nothing are both full of horse crap (or something far worse).

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Jay-morris

Ok, and what's that have to do with Chinas lies, poor hygiene, overpopulation, etc?

What's the last crime the US committed that affected billions and harmed millions?

Well, involvement in the Iraq and Libya invasions that led to thousands of innocent men, women and children dying is a good start.

Now? How about the Yemen? civil war?

Since Saudi Arabia and its allies intervened in Yemen’s civil war in March 2015, the United States gave its full support to a relentless air campaign where Saudi warplanes and bombs hit thousands of targets, including civilian sites and infrastructure, with impunity.

This is one thing I cannot stand! People ignoring what their own government does, while pointing the finger at other governments and their evils!

a reply to: Jay-morris

If you knew anything about me, you'd know I despise the fact that 90% of my government still breathes oxygen. So you really have no clue what you're talking about here.

None of that adds up to the carnage that China and communists in general have brought upon the world over the last couple hundred years. You'd think that garbage debunked cult ideology would've been erased from history at the turn of the 20th century.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: JBurns

Actually the best model was somewhere in between, regulated capitalism with social care and government support for business and public ownership of assets essential for the security and running of a country.

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Lasty there are good and bad people on both sides of that debate, good people that believe in both systems with all there tiny little hearts - bless em - foolish kid's.

Wake up and smell the truth it is not hard to do.


Me, I am a royalist, oh not to the royal family of jumped up inbred pygmy brain's that ol Dave Ike think's are lizards (mad man though he has a point), no my royal family are because I am a Christian - no one that call's a man king on this earth is a Christian sorry it say's it right there in my bible you can only have one master or if you have two you will hate one and despise the other - so my king as a Christian is non other than Jesus, his law's including the basis of ALL socialist ideology are in the bible, if you have two coat's and your brother has non give him the one you are not using - oh and even a form of welfare is in the bible though you know the oldest known civilization on earth in the fertile crescent also looked after ALL it's citizen's.

So in fact both the Chinese Communist party and the corporate stooges that have circumvented the US government long ago and push this crap about unfettered free trade and unregulated capitalism were the poor pay all the tax out of there wages and the rich pay nothing are both full of horse crap (or something far worse).

Eh, can't really argue with that.

I don't really disagree with just about anything you've written here. I also appreciate the effort you put into writing a persuasive argument vs. the typical baiting/trolling BS.

I never said I had a problem with properly managed welfare.

(sorry for shrinking your quote, it was large... in a good way)