Corona Virus Updates Part 6

a reply to: angelchemuel

Hi Jane, in your post there are so many similarities to my own life. I, too, am a smoker (only natural tobacco in roll-ups) and have a persistent cough that upsets many people now, more than ever before.

I also had glandular fever in my teens and hadn't been sick for about 15 years after that. I always thought it had toughened up my immune system in some way. It had hit me hard because I was living alone; hadn't eaten in days and only drank tap water from the bathroom. As a regular pub goer, my best mate noticed my absence and contacted me and realised I wasn't at all well. He and his parents took me into their home and helped my convalescence, which took about three weeks.

Then, in 2003, I believe I caught SARS whilst in Canada. My boss had come to work late, obviously looking unwell. We had a meeting and about an hour later I felt like I was on death's door. I went home early, about an hour later my wife started having the same symptoms. It knocked us for six for about 7 days. Luckily, we had enough provisions that we just rode it out. That thing was frighteningly virulent and aggressive.

Since then, back in Italy, I only felt poorly in January 2020. Lancing intercostal pains, difficulty breathing and just feeling knackered all the time.

I wonder if I caught Covid at the start of the pandemic. I haven't done an antibody test, so I can't say definitively. I haven't been sick since, but there's always a feeling of lethargy and a slight fever every evening. How much it's psychosomatic, I don't know.

I also wonder if the SARS antibodies could still be active after all those years? Could the vaccine be problematic if someone has had SARS or glandular fever? I would think the answer is no to both questions, but can science reliably know either way?

To vaccine, or not to vaccine, that is the question.

Be well!

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: McGinty
Now I have something to back me up when I say "nein, mein herr".

Rainbows
Jane

If your going to say that then you may as well just have the jab.

Due to consequences refusal of the jab will be the domain of the TRUE christian or at least the aspiring christian as the type of persecution that will follow a no thanks will certainly convince the (im not doing it) others to tow the line.

So unless your a staunch christian which you clearly are not calling TPTB your lord then you may as well get it. The people worldwide have folded and never will have the numbers to stave of enforcement.

‘Mein herr’ is sarcasm! Perhaps that was lost in your translation.

a reply to: Encia22

I only smoke roll ups too. but don't have a cough.

I am mulling the idea that those who have EBV then contract this C19, that the EBV 'wakes up' to fight the Corona19 not the other way round as they are suggesting. It's just a random idea and not impossible given that we know other viruses attack cancer cells for example. This would explain the minor symptoms of C19 in my case if the EBV woke up and chewed it up. It would also explain the very odd 1-2 day, one symptom stuff I have been having for the rest of last year. It's the EBV triggered but not to the point of CFS/ME.

Rainbows
Jane

PS, Once you have programmed T and B cells, you have them for life. So yes quite possible you have antibodies to SARS, which will also give you the 'building blocks' against this SARS so they are thinking now.

a reply to: angelchemuel

Cheers for that extra information, Jane!

So I know most of you are already fully of the knowledge of this information.
First 2 minutes qualifications then a report of vitamins and treatments.
With studies to support and finally a simple chart of things to do.

To make sure they are not censored they included the "Popular" Mask social distance reduce gatherings
BUT
Then includes the preventive steps and action before vaccines.

Well there you go! I might not have had C19, but SARS back in 2003.

"The hope with such an approach is that the resemblance between the two viruses might mean that some antibodies that recognize SARS-CoV also recognize and neutralize SARS-CoV-2."

Going back in time to find an antibody to SARS-CoV-2
It is this article that also made me think if SARS-CoV1 can attack and kill SARS-nCoV2, then why can't the EBV virus too? If my musings are on the right track, then it would go part way to explaining ME/CFS/Long Covid .

Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: angelchemuel

Crazy right, another interesting disease to analyze is latent TB infection, could be 25%-33% of the population. BCG vaccine impact too could be an interesting take. These people seem to have a better innate response, it’s better at identifying and presenting pathogens to the adaptive immune response.

Herpes viruses are weird, they like to hide in nerves or immune cells. EBV could be responsible for certain cancers too and other issues like autoimmune diseases depending on the genetics of the person.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Thank you for your reply.
Our immune system is an intricate jigsaw that we still don't have all the pieces for!
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: angelchemuel

Indeed! Despite have getting a BSG injection when I was just a few weeks old, my 4 month one severe illness 19 years later was diagnosed by a GP doing a home visit as TB. It’s a funny life!

Curious - I wonder if they managed to kill the whole Coronavirus family of viruses (flu colds etc....) ? Be nice if if true - But it would take a lot of "medicines" off the shelf and make them all obsolete . Would they take the finacial loss ? .. Real Question is what's in the pill ???

'It may be the holy grail': COVID-19 pill shows early success in testing

"It may be the holy grail on this because it was just studied in phase two trials and it literally stopped the virus in its tracks," Dr. Marc K. Siegel, Professor of Medicine at the NYU Langone Medical Center explained. "And there wasn't any virus found in the patients that were studied."

a reply to: MetalThunder

It will work for awhile hopefully. The problem with drugs like this, nucleoside analogs like the other antivirals, is the eventual mutation of protein kinases that will get around its mechanism of action, phosphorylation of the drug or other proteins. They block genetic replication, without viable genes the virus can’t reproduce. The host cells should always activate the drug, sometimes viruses need to activate the drug too, and a random mutation could prevent that. This is especially a concern if you look at the target population for these types of drugs, if they have a compromised immune response, there is a chance that mutated virus could start spreading in host cells and then they’ll share with others.

ETA: Just to clarify, think of phosphorylation as an activation mechanism, that is you add energy or change the structure of a target or molecule, protein, whatever to alter it into an metabolically active form that can bind other molecules or proteins or it’s target.

EU countries have stopped using the Oxford vaccine after folk dying from blood clots. So the question is... is the U.K. jab seriously flawed, or are the EU trying to mitigate the damage done by them initially refusing this vaccine?

uk.news.yahoo.com...

So I got my first COVID vaccination today. I did have a slight negative reaction: my iPhone disintegrated when I touched it. But that's just fine. I can see the truth now. Bill Gates will lead us to glory.

a reply to: McGinty

That’s interesting, I get these vaccines mixed up but adenovirus associated vaccine vectors are pretty cool. They have some significant drawbacks which is what surprised me about using them to deliver spike protein DNA into our cells.

This is a great way to alter gene expression in animals and probably young children. You knock out the replicating genes in the virus and add coronavirus spike protein to the DNA in the virus. The cell then expresses the spike protein and presents it to immune cells. Adenovirus has DNA and uses that as it’s genome instead of RNA like other viruses. This gets sent into the nucleus of our cells, still shouldn’t change our DNA but there is a chance and I doubt they would maintain that aspect here. We use them for gene therapy, especially cancer and neurological studies to alter gene expression and influence DNA.

Problems with older populations is what I want to get back to with this vaccine. Baby or animal has never been exposed to an adenovirus, so the body won’t go after it, form clotting factors around it, which is is a weird thing that can happen with adenovirus, and it can enter a cell. Older person has been exposed to adenoviruses in their life already, they have antibodies, they have immune cells that recognize it, and some people initiate a clotting cascade with adenovirus. It’s the same reason BCG (TB) vaccine doesn’t work in older people, natural exposure to mycobacterium. Once your immune response is primed to certain pathogens, it can be hard to deviate from that and it can cause problems.

People’s immune system are taking out the vaccine because they already recognize adenovirus as a pathogen and some use clotting factors and antibodies to cause it to group together the proteins, cells, virus etc. that are tagged by antibodies. This is the vaccine we will probably see used in young kids since that shouldn’t happen and younger people seem to react poorly to the mRNA vaccine.

originally posted by: puzzled2
So I know most of you are already fully of the knowledge of this information.
First 2 minutes qualifications then a report of vitamins and treatments.
With studies to support and finally a simple chart of things to do.

To make sure they are not censored they included the "Popular" Mask social distance reduce gatherings
BUT
Then includes the preventive steps and action before vaccines.

Recently a study available on www.medrxiv.org... showed that they could not find ANY relation between vitamin D and cases and corona... it simply cannot be said that vitamins provide a safeguard against infection or severity.

Uuhhh... just found this as well:

www.biorxiv.org...

Study in hamsters show that prior infection of original Covid yields protection from both B117 and South African version.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Makes you wonder why Europe has seen these adverse effects already, while the U.K., with far more vaccinated, have not.

Are the U.K. covering it up, or are the EU spinning it? From your informative post, AMEDDDoc the former seems the most likely. And with Boris and the Tories’ criminal mismanagement thus far it’d be incredibly naive to give them the benefit of the doubt.

a reply to: flice

Well they better go and scrub years of reported studies and go look at the Spanish hospital studies.

Great evidence from UK wonder if the UK government who received the data in January will do anything about it.
This is a long version there are 2 short versions on John's you tube.

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Makes you wonder why Europe has seen these adverse effects already, while the U.K., with far more vaccinated, have not.

Are the U.K. covering it up, or are the EU spinning it? From your informative post, AMEDDDoc the former seems the most likely. And with Boris and the Tories’ criminal mismanagement thus far it’d be incredibly naive to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I have the pdf document up to 22nd February from the Government showing up to that date there are 197 total deaths due to adverse reactions and 77,208 adverse reactions.
It's quite long given the list of reactions, but I have no idea how to post a pdf here.
Sorry,
Rainbows
Jane