Ok go ahead and say the quarantine worked .

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

And tell me exactly how long did it take for your beloved WHO to declare Covid-19 a pandemic? The reports coming out of China were inaccurate and you know it, any of the Doctors in China trying to tell the truth were silenced to the grave.

Does it make it feel better to have an organisation to blame for this instead of holding your own administration to account.


USA messed up that is evident from the body count now building up.

The WHO for your information is predominantly funded by the US and the Gates foundation.


lol

a reply to: purplemer

I prefer idealism over empirism, hence why I don't always side with science. I also take any statistics with skepticism, since it can easily be manipuled or presented with intentions (subjectivity). Objective data is all that really matter, but analyzing intentions can be interesting though.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: RadioRobert

Dice it how you will. USA will probably have the highest mortality rates for any nation in the western world. You are trying to say the US didnt know. How comes so many other countries have done remarkably well at curtailing the spread of the virus.

Are there any countries with a higher population in the western world?

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: RadioRobert

Can you tell me how many US citizens have died to lack of access to a ventilator? Pretty sure it is zero. Have a citation? Or do you still think NY needs 40,000 ventilators?

I think the USA / UK gov messed up big time. How ever you decide to dice it this was poorly planned. The figures will speak for themselves. Why do you think the USA may well be on course for the highest mortality rate in the developed world?

So you cannot demonstrate a single person has died because they did not have access to a ventilator, but it was horribly bungled because they did not make enough ventilators?

a reply to: RadioRobert

Are there any countries with a higher population in the western world?

Look at it like a percentage and you can see the USA is a train wreck in slow motion at the moment. Far out competing other western nations. You really should be asking why.

a reply to: IgnorantGod

I prefer idealism over empirism,

What does that really even mean?

a reply to: RadioRobert

So you cannot demonstrate a single person has died because they did not have access to a ventilator, but it was horribly bungled because they did not make enough ventilators?

You can tell is a bungle simply by the mortality rates. That is why they are so high in the USA. Countries globally acted a lot faster than the USA.

a reply to: purplemer

It means that I lean towards metaphysics over physics as the Prime Force. In other words, it's really the question about whether matter comes before the mind or the inverse.

a reply to: IgnorantGod

I think minds comes first.

a reply to: purplemer

That is idealism.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: RadioRobert

So you cannot demonstrate a single person has died because they did not have access to a ventilator, but it was horribly bungled because they did not make enough ventilators?

You can tell is a bungle simply by the mortality rates. That is why they are so high in the USA. Countries globally acted a lot faster than the USA.

The mortality rates skewed by testing only those ill enough to qualify for testing? Ooookay...

And for the recorr, it has absolutely been bungled. Starting when the CDC decided they needed their own test kits instead of using ones we knew worked which failed. Then the recommendations to shutter the economy. And most importantly the continuing failure to test widely for both the virus and antibodies which would generate the real data needed for models and decision-making.

But you really haven't offered anything other than continuing allegations that it has been bungled for reasons that do not match reality. Just Chinese talking points.

Why are German, SKorean, and Japanese numbers so low? Because they do widespread testing.

link

German researchers say the United States is only detecting 1.6% of novel coronavirus cases, suggesting there may already be some 26 million infections nationally, 1 million in Florida and several tens of millions worldwide.

In a way, a potentially much higher denominator portends good news of much lower death rates than previously feared. But because of delayed or insufficient testing, the German researchers also conclude that current case counts aren’t very useful information, especially in the U.S., Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom, where response to COVID-19 outbreaks has been slower. So they call for urgent improvement in detecting new infections to contain the virus and prevent second and subsequent "waves" of spread. 

“These results mean that governments and policy-makers need to exercise extreme caution when interpreting case numbers for planning purposes," Sebastian Vollmer, professor of development economics at the University of Göttingen, said in a prepared statement.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Thejaybird

Its because of people like you that we need strict guideline and regulation.

and thats the truth of it.

It's people like me that will continue to defend your right to make asinine comments like this, so that when we come out of this overblown nonsense, you can continue to be asinine.

originally posted by: daskakik

The whole this week will be peak week is probably referring to the places in the US that got hit first. The US is a large country and there are 7 states which have, to date, reported deaths in the single digits. They are a lot earlier in the cycle than NY.

America is also a HUGE country, many places outside of big cities is very open as in you are social distancing most of the time by miles lol. Being so big we will see many parts of the country open up because of this and other parts will stay locked down still....

I really have not seen any place that still was basically open past the point NY shut down, but in any case we are talking maybe a week or less difference if there was. EVERY state has officially at the Governor level has shut down big parts around the same time frame, and have been enforcing it. I guess we will see what happens in the next two weeks.

a reply to: RadioRobert

But you really haven't offered anything other than continuing allegations that it has been bungled for reasons that do not match reality. Just Chinese talking points.

It may be very well being bungled for a reason. I do wonder but I dont really know and I agree some countries have done better because of testing. Many of the countries that did best had experience dealing with SARS already.

a reply to: Thejaybird


I would have thought by definition your behaviour in the supermarket in aiding the spread of the virus to be asinine at the very least and yes it is correct that is why we need regulation because of people like you.
Freedom comes at a cost and that cost is responsibility. Since you have demonstrated lack in the second our first has been curtailed and may in future be curtailed further.

and thats the truth again.

originally posted by: purplemer

Dice it how you want. Countries that had experience with this dealt with it a lot earlier. Before the WHO declared it a pandemic they said countries should take action. Those that did faired better those that did not listen will now pay the heavy price.

Yes docter and nurses have been fired for speaking out. In America is seems ok that freedom of speech is curtailed by companies.

I didn't dice it anyway...your points were highly inflated for some crappy narrative you want to push, there was no delay for 2 months as you suggest. WHO screwed up, they took China's side at first saying don't worry it is not human to human transfer.

Here is what WHO said Jan 14

"Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China,"

Jan 20 China finally said they had 2 cases... TWO!!!

Then China locked out all information and experts are saying due to this they caused 24x the spread. It wasn't until Feb 26 that the 15 cases in WA came to light....China could have been forth coming as early as the first part of Dec and maybe even Oct. The President said towards the end of Jan that there is something wrong going on in China, but didn't have any facts, but he still shut down travel by Feb 2 and WHO once again said that was not needed and would only cause xenophobia...

Around the last week of Jan WHO said...

“Current information does not allow for the full understanding of the extent of human-to-human transmission and the size of the epidemic,” Tarik Jasarevic wrote, saying that “scattered” human-to-human spread triggered by multiple animal-to-human transmissions may still be account for the majority of cases.

While questions in America were starting to be asked by experts as concerns were taking form. Here is one about the same time WHO was saying they don't know yet.

“Each day our new findings are not good,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Diseases Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. “This is beginning to look more like SARS every hour.”

an its not because masks are embeded in their culture it is because they have had prevoius experience at dealing with this kind of thing so hecne sit there for two months doing nothing.

What's your point...lol I lived in Tokyo for 5 years and they have been using masks for 50 years as part of their culture to not offend. They also live in very dense populations and it makes sense...So what are you trying to say there since I have no clue? I didn't say US was first I said US acted about as fast as what would be expected with how it all rolled out. You are trying to push blame on the US and I have no clue to what that blame is...lol

What I mean is more stringent isolation. If you think behaving like an #hole and endangering peeps lives is ok because your freedom is more important than the freedom and life of the staff trying to look after you then fair enough.

USA will now pay a heavy price in life and the graph is not flattening out.

And do tell what is that more stringent isolation? I been home for 3 weeks...

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

And tell me exactly how long did it take for your beloved WHO to declare Covid-19 a pandemic? The reports coming out of China were inaccurate and you know it, any of the Doctors in China trying to tell the truth were silenced to the grave.

Does it make it feel better to have an organisation to blame for this instead of holding your own administration to account.


USA messed up that is evident from the body count now building up.

The WHO for your information is predominantly funded by the US and the Gates foundation.


lol

And your point is what exactly ?

I would like you to show me a single international organization with in the Untited Nations that is not primarily funded by the USA, We fund all of them because know one else will .

So what you shoud be saying is thank you really.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I dont know what you are trying to say apart from throwing information around that is somewhat incorrect. Maybe start with a timeline.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: asabuvsobelow
I'd say that the point is that if you apply "follow the money", the WHO isn't going to act against the party that is bankrolling them.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: RadioRobert

So you cannot demonstrate a single person has died because they did not have access to a ventilator, but it was horribly bungled because they did not make enough ventilators?

You can tell is a bungle simply by the mortality rates. That is why they are so high in the USA. Countries globally acted a lot faster than the USA.

Please tell me who acted so much faster than the USA , outside of China who started the whole thing and a handful of asian nations who are constantly fighting pandemics in the first place. Please tell me what nation acted so much quicker than we did ?

And as for blaming the " Administration" of course they are to blame that is there purpose to stand there and be a lighting rod and take it from the press .

The real blame is on China , they started it, they belittled it at first and said they had it under control, they silenced anyone attempting to tell the true story .

The POTUS , closed all travel with China immediately so what more could he have done ? We simply followed suit with all the other European nations after that , So again who acted so much quicker than the USA.