Actual BREAKING news: China Admits to Hiding Real Covid-19 Infection Numbers from the World!!

You are certainly correct that we are crazy to not report asymptomatic people with a positive for the virus. It helps the commies in America, so I am not feeling we can count on the news here at all right now.

originally posted by: ThouArtGod
a reply to: ketsuko

WEll- in the early days of any outbreak, you usually don't have to test everyone. But If it continues, and if it remains a threat, you will see (eventually) capacity reach a point where everyone is tested regularly. But only if it makes economic sense (meaning the threat equals the cost of testing) would we see 321M people tested regularly. Otherwise, in this time, and this close to the outbreak, it is physically impossible, literally, that we could test everyone.

However, if Asymptomatic people are contagious (It is inconclusive) and you KNOW they are positive, then we are CRAZY if we don't report it as an active case.

thinking about it ~~> the CCP had millions of Wuhan residents fleeing their contaminated city environments making possible containment & control impossible enough

20 some million cell phone accounts are suddenly discarded, because the citizens knew they could be tracked and a severe penalty imposed for the Acts of spreading the contagion from a 'Hot Spot' to other 'Safe' locals & defenseless Victims


Much like the USA 'Hot Spots' like NYC or NOLA having fleeing, exposed but not tested citizens fleeing in Panic Mode to other 'Safe' areas (that will no longer be safe ! )

I live in a tourist town of 50k residents which normally swells to 250-300k in spring/summer ~~~~and many New Yorkers having 2nd homes/condos here...
this past week hundreds of NY license plates are flooding the area...but the NY'ers don't self quarantine the required 14 days
the current panic to flee the 'hot spot' up north has frazzled them so much they kept their cell phones Active and thus Traceible to prove they did not Self-Quarantine but immediately went grocery shopping and therefore put the locals in real danger of getting the COVID19 in a place that had previously a less than 1% risk of confirmed infection (a drastic 500% increase of infection risk)

... it is impossible to monitor or create a projection model with the Wuhan or NYC 'hot spots' in full escape mode by the likely carriers of the pathogen running wild & free

track their butts and jail them all for acts of Pandemic Terrorism in spreading the Pathogen wantonly...cell phone tracking is the /key...…………. in China and the USA too

It is now being stated that 20millions phones AND 840,000 landlines have been shut down as of the 19th March
Now either the death toll is huge or the CCP have decided to shut down communications

“The digitization level is very high in China. People can’t survive without a cell phone,” Tang Jingyuan, a U.S.-based China Affairs commentator told The Epoch Times on March 21. “Dealing with the government for pensions and social security, buying train tickets, shopping… no matter what people want to do, they are required to use cell phones.” “The Chinese regime requires all Chinese use their cell phones to generate a health code. Only with a green health code are Chinese allowed to move in China now,” Tang said. “It’s impossible for a person to cancel his cell phone.”

20m Phones Shut Down

Didn't the CDC say today it was January when it made it to the US?

I heard a radio news report not sure if we didn't have it sooner but Jan was ruled 'in" for WuHan flu in USA today the best I can tell.

originally posted by: ThouArtGod
a reply to: purplemer

IN mid January this was a localized virus that was apparently not spread via human-to-human contact, as per China's own analysis. Remember the governments of the world saying that they shouldn't shut down travel and Lunar New Year celebrations? This was based on recommendations from WHO, which was influenced by monies from the CCP. People who suggested otherwise were accused of denying science.
And are you aware of how hard it is to first create, then mass produce, test kits? Even those that started early on are only now working out the kinks and testing percentages. This is not a simple thing. Even if China was honest about their numbers (which they weren't), the only reason they stopped the spread in their country (which they didn't), was because they physically locked people in their homes and left them to die.

Not at all a good plan.

I would prefer to launch an assault on land and free the citizens up like in an old movie let the political inmates loose and assist them at reclaiming China for Chinese people and not for the CCP a Marxist construct that has squeezed the life out of many of the people of China.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: ThouArtGod

Made in china-emphasis on the word 'made.'

they need to be punished, my german friend wants to nuke them, but we need to take out their nuclear silos first, then Trump needs to consolidate all of the free world and should launch the greatest air attack in history.

it will make dresden look like a campfire.

Refreshing us with honesty, star time.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: face23785

Trolling or propaganda?

A mixture of both.

a reply to: ThouArtGod

LOL, yeah NPR never circulates propaganda.

Here in the US we were dancing in the dark, probably still are, without any meaningful data.

Even now I know about 8 people who probably had the disease according to them. None tested. There are likely more in that untested category.

You blame the Chinese for poor or misleading data practices when we do the same thing here in the US

originally posted by: Firepac

originally posted by: Snarl
Dropping a nuke on Wuhan would not be unwarranted.

Would send a clear message that biological warfare will be met with unrepentant death and destruction.

Let's see if the President and his staff have the cajones. More Americans will die from this than 9-11.

You realize China can easily return the favor right?

We all should. If either did and retaliated it could get real bad for human kind and real fast. Bad choice. We are thinking the Mullah's will pop one off but either of the Superpowers start using even tactical nukes, it would be a powder keg with Plutonium nightmares.

What they are NOT TELLING US, is what this has been a discussion about here.

That speculation is rampant and with good reason for the hidden death part alone. When we add the HK and Mainland Chinese were challenging the CCP in public, we had to believe that would not go unchecked. Wala! Wu Han.

So how many are dead really? How many had it really seems to be upwards of a Billion in China. They do have roughly 2 Billion people and those 21 Million phones going quite are a bit creepy.

originally posted by: HelloboysImbackguy
a reply to: Justoneman

The stories are documented and true.
There are many videos of government forces either welding metal doors or nailing wooden planks to shut doors.

I even saw one video where a pole was put between a door and a wall in a hallway. The family could be heard begging on the other side.

They used just any sort of improvised obstacle or method and would leave an official notice saying to not tamper with the door since the people either traveled somewhere or did something and were now under suspicion of infection.

A lot of people died of hunger in urban areas since food was given through windows with bars by neighbors or through weekly or daily rations given by government forces. If you pissed either off you ate sometimes and not very well.

In the countryside communities banded together and had varying treatment of the sick and each other with over all less abandonment of entire families and almost no freaking living entombments.

The government didn't help the rural areas as much or at all in some cases.

a reply to: ThouArtGod
Dear Lord ! American then I take it ?

I just heard that Americas coronavirus death toll has surpassed the official numbers coming out of China.

Naturally the mainstream media now believes what China has told us.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: ThouArtGod

Made in china-emphasis on the word 'made.'

they need to be punished, my german friend wants to nuke them, but we need to take out their nuclear silos first, then Trump needs to consolidate all of the free world and should launch the greatest air attack in history.

it will make dresden look like a campfire.

Well, let's take a realistic look at this idea. We'll start with basing.

The closest large US base aircraft could stage out of is Guam. That's a 3,000 mile flight, just under 5 1/2 hours one way. If Japan was willing to take the risk of being hit in retaliation, you'd be looking at 1,900 miles or about 3.5 hours one way.

Next, aircraft. If you want to hit a lot of targets on one mission, that means strategic bombers are involved. We can ignore the Russian fleet, which means you're talking solely about US aircraft. If we could get every aircraft airborne on this mission(which is an absolute impossibility), you're looking at 75 B-52s that are incapable of penetrating an operational modern missile defense network so are relegated to launching cruise missiles out of range of defenses, somewhere around 68 B-1s that would have a better chance at getting in than the B-52, but would still take losses, and 20 B-2s.

Here's where you start to run into trouble. That's 163 aircraft(again if every one got airborne. Realistically you're looking at half). Each of those bombers will need to be topped off before going into China. B each needs two tankers minimum. The US has the largest tanker fleet by far, with 400 KC-135s, and 59 KC-10s. Now 163aircraft are going to need 326 of your 459 tankers. Let's say our allies can bring 41 more, giving an even 500.

Those bombers are going to need escorts. You need fighters for the air superiority mission, and others to attack Chinese defenses. So now we've added a massive fighter component for the other 174 tankers. In ferry configuration a single KC-135 or KC-10 could take 6 fighters 2500ish mites, so we'll be generous and say they could get 6 each to China. So you're looking at just over 1,000 fighters, split 50/50 air superiority and SEAD. So 500 in the pure fighter configuration. Just looking at straight fighter, interceptor, air superiority, China has just short of 1,100 fighters they can bring to bear.

It would be a slaughter at least as bad as anything in WWII.

a reply to: Justoneman

That would be at least as foolish as trying a massive air attack.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Made in china-emphasis on the word 'made.'

they need to be punished, my german friend wants to nuke them, but we need to take out their nuclear silos first, then Trump needs to consolidate all of the free world and should launch the greatest air attack in history.

it will make dresden look like a campfire.

This is not a videogame! It's people like you who crave death who would be the first person to crap themselves if put in a situation of war or anything like that!

What is wrong with you people wishing death on millions of innocent men, women and children! What is wrong with you to write this, and think it's ok?

a reply to: fotsyfots

What did I do?!

But yes, I’m a proud American.

a reply to: Jay-morris

So it seems I’m not the only person in the world who has a problem with China’s lies, and am definitely not the only person to have noted just how important these data points are.

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Made in china-emphasis on the word 'made.'

they need to be punished, my german friend wants to nuke them, but we need to take out their nuclear silos first, then Trump needs to consolidate all of the free world and should launch the greatest air attack in history.

it will make dresden look like a campfire.

This is not a videogame! It's people like you who crave death who would be the first person to crap themselves if put in a situation of war or anything like that!

What is wrong with you people wishing death on millions of innocent men, women and children! What is wrong with you to write this, and think it's ok?

While I actually agree with you that we cannot just attack the general population of a totalitarian dictatorship,(the whole point of attacking the general populous is to either punish them for their full support of an attack on your country/allies, or because you think the suffering of the masses will encourage the overthrow/ change of position of the current government, while simultaneously limiting in the long run the overall casualties in a conflict between nation states), especially as the common joe likely has no control over his gov’ts actions. I do think we can support the use of force against the governing body and key military sites as a means of punishing said government for their lies and perpetuation/exacerbation of the pandemic. Assuming we come to an agreement of the Chinese government’s level of responsibility and roles, of course, and assuming they will not voluntarily pay in full for that role.

Also, just so you know, a lot of us crap our pants in combat. You can be mentally prepared one time, and then not so much the next. It’s not really a bravery thing, notwithstanding your obvious point.

Yes,

What we have is "Shock and Awe" From space that no 1000000 airplanes could stop.

We own the space and have DR NO Space probes from a James Bond film. Really we can swallow another nation's satellite if we need to and we can launch Kinetic missiles that can't be stopped.

Still the ground war will be full of Nukes and we can't be doing this or there will be a lot of dead species that make those Tree huggers blush for claiming man before caused species dies offs of epic proportions. They would finally be right i we start a world war using nukes.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Justoneman

That would be at least as foolish as trying a massive air attack.

originally posted by: ThouArtGod

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Made in china-emphasis on the word 'made.'

they need to be punished, my german friend wants to nuke them, but we need to take out their nuclear silos first, then Trump needs to consolidate all of the free world and should launch the greatest air attack in history.

it will make dresden look like a campfire.

This is not a videogame! It's people like you who crave death who would be the first person to crap themselves if put in a situation of war or anything like that!

What is wrong with you people wishing death on millions of innocent men, women and children! What is wrong with you to write this, and think it's ok?

While I actually agree with you that we cannot just attack the general population of a totalitarian dictatorship,(the whole point of attacking the general populous is to either punish them for their full support of an attack on your country/allies, or because you think the suffering of the masses will encourage the overthrow/ change of position of the current government, while simultaneously limiting in the long run the overall casualties in a conflict between nation states), especially as the common joe likely has no control over his gov’ts actions. I do think we can support the use of force against the governing body and key military sites as a means of punishing said government for their lies and perpetuation/exacerbation of the pandemic. Assuming we come to an agreement of the Chinese government’s level of responsibility and roles, of course, and assuming they will not voluntarily pay in full for that role.

Also, just so you know, a lot of us crap our pants in combat. You can be mentally prepared one time, and then not so much the next. It’s not really a bravery thing, notwithstanding your obvious point.

Oh what a suprise thst you would not mind some sort of militery conflict! Why does that not suprise me! What a ridiculous thing to say!

Should countries like America and the UK be punished conflict wise for the deaths of thousands of innocent men, women and children in the middle East? No of course not!

There should absolutly be no militery retaliation of any kind d! Like I said! This is not a bloody videogame!

a reply to: ThouArtGod

Also, just so you know, a lot of us crap our pants in combat. You can be mentally prepared one time, and then not so much the next. It’s not really a bravery thing, notwithstanding your obvious point.

Funny how people like you did not condem the idiots on here saying things like we should nuke China, or do a ground attack! Why is that?

As for most people who say these ridiculous things, they are cowards, internet warriors, fans of call of duty, and would be the first to runaway if conflict came to their door!