Science indicates evolution of species.

a reply to: andy06shake

You want a map to God?
All you need is love, it will lead you straight to God...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

I'm pretty sure nature came away with it in her very own extensive petri dish called Earth.

Then the fact that our infrastructure and transportation hubs around the globe enable it to travel has something to do with the current situation.

Take your tinfoil hat off mate, but mind and don't touch your face.

a reply to: andy06shake

Andy, I have studied this at some length and with some great minds
Have friends of international renown who are molecular biologists and a plant biochemist, Christians who believe in evolution, great people I love and respect, it’s not a passing phase, a simple wade knee deep.
I never argued there was some scientific evidence, assumption, theory and indicators
Not a question, I accept micro evolution

I distinctly asked for empirical evidence

Garden of eden, I don’t know, 6 day creation, I don’t know, not really that important

I was told by someone a few pages ago evolution was a proven science, a fact, well prove it
Show me, I want to see the proof
I am not settled it’s even a valid theory

Evidence vs empirical evidence, two distinctly different monsters
Only one of those monsters is empirical, factual and it’s called empirical
I am still undecided on evolution being a fact, undecided if Eden is an allegory

As for fossils, that’s a different matter unrelated to the empirical evidence I requested.
Don’t want to sidetrack and add to the confusion.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

I've got plenty of love mate.

Still cannot find God in any tangible sense.

But aye, a map will come in handy, where is it?

a reply to: andy06shake

It’s a designed virus the truth will come out in time...
A forced mutation on SARS...

The only thing that most humans are evolving into is moral degradation to a level below what it is now.

You can't become more wicked and ungodly and unrighteous and call it "evolution".

You also cannot hide behind "science" as a way to be more wicked and then say God doesn't exist while you hate your fellow man, while telling people you are evolving.

All that will happen after that foolishness is discovering after death they have come to take you "down". Don't play that game lest there be no reprieve. Proceed at your own risk, or only say and do what is right. Choose wisely and speak wisely, or don't and see what happens.

a reply to: andy06shake

I doubt this is an act of nature, I fear this is an act of humanity.
I fear this is just the beginning and the water temp just got a little bit hotter again

a reply to: Raggedyman

I think we will just need to agree to disagree Raggedyman.

Because the universe is rather a strange place.

And until empirical unequivocal evidence materializes to support the notion of either the theory of evolution or the biblical interpretations of religion, the jury is going to be out for some people.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: 5StarOracle

I've got plenty of love mate.

Still cannot find God in any tangible sense.

But aye, a map will come in handy, where is it?

Don’t ask us, ask Him

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Raggedyman

I think we will just need to agree to disagree Raggedyman.

Because the universe is rather a strange place.

And until empirical unequivocal evidence materializes to support the notion of either the theory of evolution or the biblical interpretations of religion, the jury is going to be out for some people.

And that’s the way it should be, in my opinion

Aa reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

And NCA, you are talking spiritually, physically we are falling apart in much the same way we are failing spiritually
Not seeming to be evolving in any way

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Well, let's just hope it does not kill too many people and we are still around to hear this truth whatever that may be.

Put it this way if you are correct and Covid 19 is a creation of Man, there also apt to have made a cure.

It will take lightly more than a year to develop and test an effective vaccine, that's just how there developed.

Or if your right its probably lying around at the bottom of a DUMB just waiting to be distributed or recreated en mass.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: 5StarOracle

Well, let's just hope it does not kill too many people and we are still around to hear this truth whatever that may be.

Put it this way if you are correct and Covid 19 is a creation of Man, there also apt to have made a cure.

It will take lightly more than a year to develop and test an effective vaccine, that's just how there developed.

Or if your right its probably lying around at the bottom of a DUMB just waiting to be distributed or recreated en mass.

You don’t see much but you seem to hear ok that is you are well versed in what you are wanted to know or understand on this matter...
Many more will die however you are correct the cure is available right now...
And will not be a year in coming either unless the desired results have not been attained...
When its ready for the masses in a couple months I wonder what you will have to say then?
They are scrambling rather hard right now the dog busy wagging its tail the cure will be pushed through having been based on old vaccinations or work that has already supposedly been put through trials...

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Aa reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

And NCA, you are talking spiritually, physically we are falling apart in much the same way we are failing spiritually
Not seeming to be evolving in any way

One begets the other. Yes.

When things get very bad people will wake up fast. At the very bottom, all anyone can see is up.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

"When it ready for the masses in a couple months I wonder what you will have to say then?"

When whats ready, a cure?

If that happens ile say thank you very much and be on my way. LoL

I see exactly the same as the rest of us, reality ain't that hard to miss.

Let's just hope Covid 19 can be missed.

a reply to: andy06shake

When it’s gone...
I won’t miss it at all...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Now that just sounds like a line from "The Last of Us".

It won't be gone, apparently, it may turn out to be a yearly thing.

And that with a cure or not.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

See that's the thing though, you don't need to be a religious person to lead a righteous life, nor to attempt to do good in the world at least most of the time.

Treat people how you find them and question everything, thats my motto.

If there is a creator, and as long as you don't feck people over too much, nor take liberties with the weak, i really don't see a benevolent God giving a rats arse one way or the other as to believe in him without actual proof.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

See that's the thing though, you don't need to be a religious person to lead a righteous life, nor to attempt to do good in the world at least most of the time.

Treat people how you find them and question everything, thats my motto.

If there is a creator, and as long as you don't feck people over too much, nor take liberties with the weak, i really don't see a benevolent God giving a rats arse one way or the other as to believe in him without actual proof.

That's fine and I respect your position, but there IS proof, except because of personal reasons, people choose to say there isn't any and won't see it. People don't receive proof be demanding it either, it only comes after humility and and humble heart prevail on a person, and that alone is a tall order for foolish mankind.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

Again, I am not arguing ID, I am asking for scientific evidence that is empirical for evolution

Not interested

1. Chimps are the closest to us, and great apes in general are a close second. You must admit there are EXTREME similarities there, why?

2. Genome sequencing in the last 5 years has even put further connections to what we have been saying for a good while, why is there such close relationships here?

3. We see evolution divergent all the time, happens very quickly, and so that suggests there are changes in life...ALL THE TIME. Case in point with humans Sickle cell anemia is a good example of this.

4. The earth has reset life a number of time, with the latest (there are been a couple) snow ball earth 600 to 700 million years ago that pretty much reset life back to simple lifeforms to see it explode back once again with mammals only gaining a foot hold late in the game due to a massive extinction of the primary life of the time to allow mammals that chance.

5. Life in general is a very chaotic thing..The life that created the 20% oxygen in our atmosphere is nothing like life today, as example. Oxygen is a by product of life...

6. To accomplish experiment evolution at the species level is basically impossible since it takes so much time even with the fastest life forms, but then I keep asking why is there 360,000 species of beetles as example? Did God really like beetles, or comparable to fruit flies, bugs have a much faster rate of generations, so does this suggest that there is evolution at the species level going on here? Why are not chimps and humans like beetles as being different species, but very close? I guess looks matter to you, but genomes show a different picture.

The only way to suggest evolution doesn't exist is to think God created the universe and everything in it 6000 years ago. I will accept that from you and I will not even debate it, but if God didn't then there has been a constant evolution of life. I say evolution such as Darwin is like the forward of a 10,000 page book as to what we know today compared to what he observed and wrote about.

Myself and others have provided a lot of information here, and you have provided nothing...nothing... All you say is you want a scientific method to prove it, and scientific method only goes so far, and so is not the singular means to sciences.

I asked you if you believed in Black holes or God and you have yet to answer a single question of mine, nothing once again, so as I have already said I have no clue where you are coming from in all this discussion, and you continually fail to provide a single point in all this.

Now you can deny everything I have just said and I need to ask why? At least state your position or we are are at nothing once again. If you were actuality interested in any of this you would research it all yourself. We have given you directions to do just that, but for some reason you want me to prove it all in a post. I can't do it justice in a post, so just do your own research and find the right answer.

All this is trying to explain the how life happens as it does... It doesn't explain the why... Evolution is a how...not a why... And all evolution is suggesting is life is ever changing.