Science indicates evolution of species.

a reply to: andy06shake

It's absolutely fascinating. Totally insurmountable through evolutionary mechanisms though... think about it... How could a random mutation render a worm-like caterpillar to have all the necessary information to be able to metamorphose into a new creature and fly away? To create the necessary DNA coding that would be necessary to make this transformation is totally unobtainable by random mutations. It is a perfect example of irreducible complexity, or in other words, a change that cannot be achieved by random successive mutations (evolution).

a reply to: cooperton

It's certainly a fascinating little creature, wish there were more Butterflies around right now.

The earliest known butterfly fossils are from the mid-Eocene epoch, between 40-50 million years ago.

Again though they exist so my guess is there is some evolutionary mechanisms at play, misunderstood or otherwise.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

If you can present another theory to supplant evolution please do.

As long as it does not involve any insane desperate need for omnipotent anthropomorphizations in the sky ile happily listen.

As far as im aware, evolution is the process by which different kinds of living organisms are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the Earth.

That's probably somewhat of an oversimplification all the same, but i think it covers the gist.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: 5StarOracle
If you can present another theory to supplant evolution please do.

So you admit, the theory of evolution is flawed but
Because it’s your only option it’s where you faith has settled

Genius, pure gold, pyrite gold, but gold to someone

Anyway, not my job to supplant evolution.
Science is how we prove theory
Prove evolution with science, not constant moaning, strawman and Gish galloping verbal crap everywhere

That or come up with your own theory

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: cooperton

Accept that Christianity has killed more people than can be counted throughout recorded history with its shenanigans, shell games, and crusades.

As to Darwinism being the over-arching theme for American social philosophy, that sound mate im in Glasgow.

We are all free to choose to believe as we wish cooperton, and if the Christians were in charge the colour of the day would not remain the same.

Yet Jesus preached no harm, self sacrifice and love
Christ Himself died before harming others.
Taught love

Obviously you recognise the hypocrisy of Christians and their action relating to Christianity, hence why you brought it up

Atheism, enforced by the state
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Stalin maybe 40 or 50, maybe 60 million
Mao up to and possibly 100 million
Pol Pot, @ one third of the Cambodian population

Don’t preach your atheist love
Jesus taught death over harm
Atheism, people are cattle

We have seen atheists in charge

So how many have died because of what Jesus taught

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Raggedyman


No science to back up evolution, you can’t find any offered any but are blinded by it as a science, what a joke.
Science is a faith, you show me some empirical evidence and you win the whole argument forever

Genome sequencing is clear cut proof, but as I said I'm not sure what you are looking for as proof. With genome sequencing in just the last 5 years it has been a game changer as they can sequence at 10,000 times less in cost and extremely quicker than even 10 years ago. It has changed everything as how we look at things to include even how we thought humans have migrated around the world.

As a Christian, I can still be a Christian if evolution is a fact.
You act like evolution changes my life, like I fear evolution

Yet you, you have offered nothing, you act like you know but have nothing at all, nothing

Your evolution is nothing but a faith without empirical scientific evidence

Well that is good...

So you have “clear cut proof” but can’t, won’t link the clear cut proof or explain it

I have heard that “clear cut proof” before.
I have some great and I guarantee special oil, promise it will stop you getting Covid, 100% guaranteed, for you, special price $ 99,99 plus gst plus postage. You will have it in a day, $399.99 postage, promise

I have clear cut proof it works

a reply to: Xtrozero

I told you over and over and over again what type of evidence I am looking for

Do you understand science

I am looking for scientific empirical evidence

What’s wrong with you.
Go learn what science is first then come back

a reply to: Raggedyman

Im, not an Atheist Raggedyman, christened a Protestant.

But if there is a God or a creator there is not much chance of it resembling the Biblical interpretations.

As to preaching, thats organized religious practices bag not mine.

I'm simply calling it how i see it or have been lead to understand.

"So how many have died because of what Jesus taught"

Well all of them if you are correct, because we are all Gods children, i think you even win a prize at the end, or is that the end of the beginning?

I recognize hypocrisy all over the place, but from the mouth of Man, God, on the other hand, is rather silent on the matter.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

So you have “clear cut proof” but can’t, won’t link the clear cut proof or explain it

Its something you can investigate... I provided a path and you can take it or not. So when did humans appear? How did human's or life for that matter appear..

It seems there is two arguments here.

1. Was life intelligent design or not
2. Does life change in anyway or was it created in its current form and will stay in its current form for ever.

There is nothing I can post here that you would say... OMG! you are right, so why bother...why waste my time... I really do not care what you think.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

I am looking for scientific empirical evidence

Lol

a reply to: Raggedyman

And your theory involves invisible sky gods.

That wish to punish us for not seeing things there way.

For eternity no less.

Im happy with the theory of evolution for the time being.

Wheres yours again, thats right God did it and Jebus loves us.

Canny win really, but my guess is life, the universe, and everything, is far more complex than humans can ever hope to understand in its entirety, but that does not mean the Biblical god exists nor add any credibility to the notion.

a reply to: andy06shake


It’s not a theory you, it’s a faith
My personal belief, I don’t argue it’s science, I know it’s not science, sheesh

What’s wrong with your head

Fine, great, exceptional
You are happy with evolution
Great, good for you

I just asked for scientific evidence it was in fact scientifically proven.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Raggedyman

I am looking for scientific empirical evidence

Lol

Yes, it’s a joke, talking to you, it’s a joke, like people saying evolution is scientific, a joke
Repeatable
Observable
And testable

Empirical evidence

Off you go

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Raggedyman

So you have “clear cut proof” but can’t, won’t link the clear cut proof or explain it

There is nothing I can post here that you would say... OMG! you are right.

Over and over and over again
Post some empirical evidence and I will “OMG” you are right.
Think I have explained that over and over and over again

Again, I am not arguing ID, I am asking for scientific evidence that is empirical for evolution

I am a Christian creationist
If
Empirical evidence proves evolution I will become a Christian evolutionist
Stop Gish gallop straw man arguing

Not interested

a reply to: andy06shake

Andy, being christened has no value, surely it takes little common sense to acknowledge that.
God created, in my opinion, perfection, man destroyed perfection, it’s on us.
Freewill, believe or not, I believe in freewill

God was never silent, Jesus taught love even at self cost.
You just can’t hear it

a reply to: Raggedyman

Aye, and a hell of a leap of faith at that.

Your entitled to your personal belief, far as i can establish nobody is trying to take that away.

As to what wrong with my head, probably quite a bit i suppose. LoL

I'm not a scientist, my degree is in Electronic & Engineering, i simply read some books on the topic and recall what i can remember from secondary.

There are indeed scholarly articles regarding scientific evidence of evolution out there doing the rounds, whether or not you choose to believe they hold any weight is completely up to you.

Nobody forcing you to accept the premise of evolution.

Where is the scientific evidence of God or of creation in just 7 days?

What about fossil records?

Did science just make all those up as well as the theory of evolution for kicks?

a reply to: andy06shake

Is ultraviolet invisible? Or how about infrared? Or are they actually just beyond our ability to perceive?
Gods not invisible either, you just can’t see him...

a reply to: Raggedyman

I sincerely wish i could hear it Raggedyman.

For a start, it would make the universe a hell of a lot less complicated, nevermind existence.

We have indeed done our bit regarding destroying perfection, ile give you that.

Take Chovid 19, for instance, all the same, nature bites back or so it seems to me.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Said frequency range of the electromagnetic spectrum is beyond our ability to interoperate with the human eye, its not beyond our ability to perceive not measure via the tools we have created.

You cant show me God nor even offer directions if you are entirely honest.

That being said I'm sure your faith extends a measure of peace of mind.

a reply to: andy06shake

Are you so sure that covid 19 is not a forced mutation by scientists on SARS to perpetrate an evil scheme?
Take your stance on covid 19 and have yourself a better look...