Corona Virus Updates Part 5

originally posted by: cirrus12
One of the few videos i've seen from an italian hospital
twitter.com...

Allot of them on oxygen. I hope they will be alright. Takes the numbers out of the story, and puts the human being into it...

originally posted by: Dumbass
a reply to: butcherguy

If you call that disease data then it has some weird symptoms man.

I don't see that as disease data at all. Those are acts of humans.

No, the member spoke of ‘fearmongering with so little data’.
The data that I refer to is fact and it relates to measures that governments are taking in reaction to what so many like to call ‘just a flu’.
Global war against just a flu.....Incongruous?
Yeah, a bit.

Casinos have joined the airline industry in asking Congress for emergency financial help as Las Vegas and other tourist destinations take a severe financial hit from the coronavirus outbreak. The requested aid for the casino companies, raised by lobbyists in recent days, could come in the form of a comprehensive bailout package, similar to what lawmakers may provide to airlines, cruise companies and the hospitality industry. Other possibilities include direct cash payments, deferred taxes, or special bankruptcy protections, said two people with knowledge of the conversations, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Why do we use our tax dollars to bail corporations out? Where is our bailout it’s our money, and our debt.

Casinos ask Congress for emergency aid as coronavirus toll sweeps industry

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

ice can't vomit which means due to neurological damage from SARS which is sometimes not present in the lungs caused them to aspirate, stomach contents go in lungs, and they develop pneumonia from whatever stomach contents entered the lungs.

We have a 6 month dwarf rabbit and as I understand, rabbits also cannot throw up. Do you think he's at risk of me, a human giving it to him if I were to catch it and give him food everyday?

originally posted by: Furryhobnob
Just read this somewhere else, could be some truth in it?

We had the same experience here in Japan with gyoza made in Japan but the products to make it was from China. Some people did die and the products were called off the shelf. We all read about the Chinese taking paper and making it into hamburgers. True

For those that need a break from hysteria, and have netflix.

There will be no fans in attendance at WrestleMania 36 as a result of the coronavirus pandemic. WWE announced Monday night that the event will be moved from Tampa’s Raymond James Stadium to the company’s Performance Center Orlando, where only essential personnel will be on hand.

WWE Moves ‘WrestleMania 36’ From Tampa to Performance Center Due to Coronavirus

I clicked on that tweet about "footage from inside Italian hospital" which itself was very alarming, but it led to all these other videos of mass graves being dug in Iran and plenty of other graphic + sketchy footage that I regret seeing - there are entities and groups taking advantage of this whole event and programming/traumatizing people intentionally, that's what I truly believe.

a reply to: FamCore

I doubt it, the mice in that study were altered to have human like receptors for the virus to bind to instead of normal mouse receptors. They also had alterations to make the disease more severe and easier to view.

Some species like ferrets can easily pass respiratory diseases back and forth with us. Maybe dogs and more so cats but if they test positive its more likely they have virus in their airways from living with a sick person, and not because they are actually sick.

The throwing up issue was important because it shows that the only way for the mice to get stomach contents into the lungs was if they had neurological damage from SARS in the brain while not having it in their lungs. It made the smooth muscles in the esophagus not function correctly and instead of acting like a one way valve the stomach contents went the wrong way and entered the lungs when they were trying to breathe.

Your rabbit should be good.

originally posted by: Thoughtful1
a reply to: Furryhobnob
That is enormously important information. Great find. We know that the virus spreads in many different ways so now should we be including food, like the meat exported to Italy?
I had an interesting experience at King Soopers the other day. I went to pick up some shrimp and it wasn't busy so I asked where the shrimp came from. The seafood clerk told me that it came from fish farms in Vietnam.
Why on earth would we be importing farmed shrimp from Vietnam? He told me that the company did extensive testing at the farms to ensure that the shrimp were good. I din't buy any. After all we have much better controls over the safety of our food.
I bet we are going to find a lot of food imports that may possibly be contaminated. Hopefully enough time has elapsed that the virus would die off but then shrimp and the like are frozen so the virus would last longer.

Much of the can fish is processed in Thailand and shipped around the world.
Much of the can pineapple is from the Philippines and shipped around the world
Many of your candies with peanuts are from China, so if after eating such foods or peanuts, you'll feel the urge to brush your teeth.

Please people, the candy from mexico using peanuts is from China, not America. Stop buying that crap. Remember Congress passed a law "you only have to state where it is process from" not where the ingredients came from". When I read that, I knew that Congress people were being paid under the table from China. Don't believe me, check to see how many of them bought Chinese stocks , that are worthless now. We have a saying here in Asia "you can not know what is on the mind of the Chinese". Lots of truth to that.

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

ice can't vomit which means due to neurological damage from SARS which is sometimes not present in the lungs caused them to aspirate, stomach contents go in lungs, and they develop pneumonia from whatever stomach contents entered the lungs.

We have a 6 month dwarf rabbit and as I understand, rabbits also cannot throw up. Do you think he's at risk of me, a human giving it to him if I were to catch it and give him food everyday?

We have a 2+ year old Lionhead, I already asked our vets about this regarding rabbits and young kitties at our new kittens' establishing visit (same practice) In their opinions, it's not very likely. It, as with many diseases, can pass back to animals from us, but can be much tougher for humans to make animals sick than it is for animals to make us sick. They did stress to treat them like humans and just don't sneeze on them or cough on them and wash you hands before & after cleaning/interacting if you don't already.

If you want, I can ask for a more detailed explanation on the human-to-animal end next week when we take the kittens in for the final round of shots & the bun in for his tooth trim, assuming vets are even still allowed to be open.

originally posted by: carewemust
GOOD NEWS: The first (potential) Vaccine is being administered in Seattle today!

mynorthwest.com...

It's foolish.
We now have people in Korea taking the Malaria drug ( yes, very effective)
We now have people in Japan using the asthma drug (yes, very effective )

I just can't believe this is not on American TV.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Thank you so much for all the amazing research you've been doing and for sharing your efforts with us here!!

I just wish someone would publish some kind of 'Covid-19 for Dummies' version of all this medical research -

- and get it into the main stream media, so people would know how dangerous the virus can be even to those who don't die from it because of the damage it causes..

..maybe then people would start taking it seriously..

I keep dreaming about an old black woman in Nebraska...her name is mother Abigail, she is 106 years old and still bakes her own bread.

a reply to: RickinVa

I wont lie the first time this virus came up at work all the middle aged guys went captain trips is coming... all the kids stared at us like we were a special kind of retard.

Both of you just seriously made me happy today, only good news I've heard lol I told my spouse tonight if it takes me out, it takes me out but at this point I'm more focused on our family/continuity as a whole. Can't become deer in headlights or get swept up in the hysteria!

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

ice can't vomit which means due to neurological damage from SARS which is sometimes not present in the lungs caused them to aspirate, stomach contents go in lungs, and they develop pneumonia from whatever stomach contents entered the lungs.

We have a 6 month dwarf rabbit and as I understand, rabbits also cannot throw up. Do you think he's at risk of me, a human giving it to him if I were to catch it and give him food everyday?

We have a 2+ year old Lionhead, I already asked our vets about this regarding rabbits and young kitties at our new kittens' establishing visit (same practice) In their opinions, it's not very likely. It, as with many diseases, can pass back to animals from us, but can be much tougher for humans to make animals sick than it is for animals to make us sick. They did stress to treat them like humans and just don't sneeze on them or cough on them and wash you hands before & after cleaning/interacting if you don't already

originally posted by: TheAMEDDDoc
a reply to: FamCore

I doubt it, the mice in that study were altered to have human like receptors for the virus to bind to instead of normal mouse receptors. They also had alterations to make the disease more severe and easier to view.

Some species like ferrets can easily pass respiratory diseases back and forth with us. Maybe dogs and more so cats but if they test positive its more likely they have virus in their airways from living with a sick person, and not because they are actually sick.

The throwing up issue was important because it shows that the only way for the mice to get stomach contents into the lungs was if they had neurological damage from SARS in the brain while not having it in their lungs. It made the smooth muscles in the esophagus not function correctly and instead of acting like a one way valve the stomach contents went the wrong way and entered the lungs when they were trying to breathe.

Your rabbit should be good.

a reply to: RickinVa

M-O-O-N that spells Mother Abigail

As I said way back in thread 2 I think, lawsuits commencing, although I’m not sure how they will fare on US soil vs China...

Boca Raton

www.wflx.com...

I think an international lawsuit stands a better chance but IANAL.

originally posted by: drussell41

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: XCrycek

originally posted by: Thoughtful1
I wonder when Whole Foods will stop serving food in the open style buffet. When I was last there customers were wearing gloves and masks and the staff were feverishly cleaning shelves and even trash containers.
However they still had loads of prepared, cooked food accessible to the general public. I din't feel very reassured to see just the glass domes that apparently are to protect the food from germs.
The other customers didn't either and no one while I was there stepped one foot near it.

www.usda.gov...

We are now wrapping vegetables in plastic bags. Sad to say not all stores are doing this.
Also what was very common was cooked food was out in the open an you'd pick it up with thongs , those days are over now.
People, if you are reading this: don't buy prepackaged vegetables that are already sliced up for you convenience DON'T


"We are not aware of any reports at this time of human illnesses that suggest COVID-19 can be transmitted by food or food packaging. However, it is always important to follow good hygiene practices (i.e., wash hands and surfaces often, separate raw meat from other foods, cook to the right temperature, and refrigerate foods promptly) when handling or preparing foods."

You can't get it through food

" Experience with SARS and MERS suggest that people are not infected with the virus through food. So, it is unlikely the virus is passed on through food and there is no evidence yet of this happening with COVID-19 (coronavirus) to date.

Coronaviruses need a host (animal or human) to grow in and cannot grow in food. Thorough cooking is expected to kill the virus because we know that a heat treatment of at least 30min at 60ºC is effective with SARS."

Just stop. You’re 100% wrong.
Yes viruses need a host. But survival on inanimate objects from 2-72 hours is typical.

I know, right? Despite even being warned about fomite transmission and oral-fecal transmission by a physician on this board, this person continues to bang on about how safe food is.

Well, not all food, all the time depending on who prepares it or who else comes into contact with not only the food, but the packaging, utensils, etc. I just read an article this morning about a New York chef who infected something like 20 people with the virus. (Sorry, can't find the link now but I did read it.)

You have to ask yourself at a certain point if these people are trolls or have a vested interest, as in they own a fast food franchise, etc.

Non-emergency dental appointments have all been cancelled. I thinking I might lose my job soon, so I wanted to quickly use my dental insurance.

Had an appointment tomorrow, got a voicemail cancelling it. I thought the dentist might be sick but no they are recommending all routine dental appointments be cancelled. I think this is pretty strange since you are pretty much in the room yourself and the dentists already uses a mask, glasses and gloves.

Instead of buying tons of TP, you might want to stock up on face masks.
They are becoming the new commodity in europe, the few that are available are quickly bought up by the government and reserved for hospital workers.

Forget the surgical masks, go straight for FFP3 / N99, or full face gas mask with a P3 filter.
And don't forget eye protection!

You can have all the food and ammo in the world, it only takes one idiot to cough in your face and it's game over.