China threatening to stop sending medications to the US, they make most of them in the world

originally posted by: Gothmog

China threatening to stop sending medications to the US, they make most of them in the world

Shouldn't we send thanks if they do ?

Not the life saving one my husband must have to live.

a reply to: Irishhaf

There isn't going to be a war....this is just business.

If it's true China is holding back on sending medications it's just their subtle way of saying "who's the bitch now".

4d-chess I guess...

Peace

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
This all looks increasing like a deepstate chicom plot IMO

Trump hurt them bad, perhaps this is there counterpunch?

Of course it is.

They Chinese hate Trump and want to get rid of him because he has exposed how they have economically screwed the US and the rest of the world.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: The2Billies

The blame should rest firmly on the Chinese where it belongs, and not on any, and I mean any US citizen.

Nope, because it isn’t the Chinese who are manufacturing these life saving drugs. What you’re leaving out either intentionally or by accident is that the manufacturers of many of these drugs are American companies who built factories in China because of low labor costs.

According to a report by Beijing Cons Bio-Tech Development Company, a China-based pharmaceutical consultancy and the publisher of China Medipharm Insights, 18 of the top 20 global pharmaceutical giants have established manufacturing plants in China, including Novartis, Glaxo Wellcome, Merck & Co, Hoechst Marion Roussel, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, SmithKline Beecham, Hoffmann-La Roche, Bayer, Astra, Eli Lilly, Rhone-Poulenc, Schering-Plough, Pharmacia & Upjohn, Boehringer Ingelheim, Takeda Chemical and Warner-Lambert.

Link

The only thing that would get them to move their operations back is their industry being highly regulated in that aspect. And you aren’t exactly in the political party that regulates industry.

You have to make the other costs of doing business in the US cheaper than the cost of labor in China.

US workers will never be as cheap as Chinese workers. However, we can make the regulatory environment more streamlined. We can lower taxes. Reduce union power. There are plenty of things we can do so that a company doesn't feel the only way the can remain competitive is to move jobs overseas.

It isn't just corporate greed. Consumers also have a say in the matter. At the end of the day, people vote with their wallets. If consumers won't pay higher prices for "made in America" then they have no one to blame but themselve.

It isn’t possible to make the costs of doing business cheaper in America versus China. You can give these big pharmaceutical companies tax breaks, but the only thing that will do is funnel that money straight into their pockets, as is tradition.

Are you really just expecting Americans, who pay the most for drugs and healthcare in the entire developed world to pay even more so these big companies can move their operations here and pocket more of their money?

Kind of boils down to priorities.

Do you want low cost drugs manufactured in China.

Do you want China to be able to blackmail the US by threatening to with hold life saving drugs?

OR is the better alternative to manufacture in the US at a higher cost so no one can black mail the US.

originally posted by: The2Billies

The Chinese government is heartless and cruel and will use anything to punish other countries who they feel have disrespected them.

This will cause the US to wake up and start manufacturing their own drugs. Yes, it may make them more expensive, but having them and saving millions of lives in the US is worth it!

Isn't more jobs something America wanted? this is a good thing in the long run.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: Irishhaf

There isn't going to be a war....this is just business.

If it's true China is holding back on sending medications it's just their subtle way of saying "who's the bitch now".

4d-chess I guess...

Peace

If they decide to do it and keep it up and the result is millions dead in the US.

Not war but I can see the US banning all US manufacturers of life saving goods from producing all their inventory off shore and mandating a percentage be manufactured within the US.

But 4d-chess is worth a few million lives, who cares? Is that what you are saying. Just so China can say "US you are our bitch and don't you forget it." Is that what you are implying?

originally posted by: toolgal462
Geee, never saw this coming/end sarcasm/

This has been coming for decades and you have to be a moron on the Left to have not seen it.

If you have seen, the left blames the right for all of this.

I personally can't see where the right is to blame, or the left either. No US politician in their right mind would have insisted that anything could not be manufactured off shore. They would have been roundly booted out of office.

Trump has been warning us about China, we wouldn't listen, guess what, he was right. This isn't political, it is just what it is.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: The2Billies

The blame should rest firmly on the Chinese where it belongs, and not on any, and I mean any US citizen.

Nope, because it isn’t the Chinese who are manufacturing these life saving drugs. What you’re leaving out either intentionally or by accident is that the manufacturers of many of these drugs are American companies who built factories in China because of low labor costs.

According to a report by Beijing Cons Bio-Tech Development Company, a China-based pharmaceutical consultancy and the publisher of China Medipharm Insights, 18 of the top 20 global pharmaceutical giants have established manufacturing plants in China, including Novartis, Glaxo Wellcome, Merck & Co, Hoechst Marion Roussel, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, SmithKline Beecham, Hoffmann-La Roche, Bayer, Astra, Eli Lilly, Rhone-Poulenc, Schering-Plough, Pharmacia & Upjohn, Boehringer Ingelheim, Takeda Chemical and Warner-Lambert.

Link

The only thing that would get them to move their operations back is their industry being highly regulated in that aspect. And you aren’t exactly in the political party that regulates industry.

You have to make the other costs of doing business in the US cheaper than the cost of labor in China.

US workers will never be as cheap as Chinese workers. However, we can make the regulatory environment more streamlined. We can lower taxes. Reduce union power. There are plenty of things we can do so that a company doesn't feel the only way the can remain competitive is to move jobs overseas.

It isn't just corporate greed. Consumers also have a say in the matter. At the end of the day, people vote with their wallets. If consumers won't pay higher prices for "made in America" then they have no one to blame but themselve.

It isn’t possible to make the costs of doing business cheaper in America versus China. You can give these big pharmaceutical companies tax breaks, but the only thing that will do is funnel that money straight into their pockets, as is tradition.

Are you really just expecting Americans, who pay the most for drugs and healthcare in the entire developed world to pay even more so these big companies can move their operations here and pocket more of their money?

It is entirely possible.

Our business environment is so bureaucractic and costly that the cheapest and easiest thing to do is pack up and move operations overseas.

It is far easier to move overseas than to get politicians to lower tax rates, change zoning laws, deal with union politics, OSHA requirements, etc.

Companies move overseas as it is the easiest thing to do.

How would you incentivize these companies to do that? Without passing that cost on to the consumer, who can already barely afford medicine?

Tax breaks, economic incentives won’t work. Because that cost will be passed on to the consumer. And we’re already at a breaking point when it come to people being able to afford healthcare in this country.

What would I do?

I would require that US drug companies, when it comes to lifesaving drugs, must manufacture a percentage of the drug within the US and then they can outsource the rest. To prevent blackmail like this - or hostage holding which this is by a foreign country.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: Irishhaf

There isn't going to be a war....this is just business.

If it's true China is holding back on sending medications it's just their subtle way of saying "who's the bitch now".

4d-chess I guess...

Peace

We still have cards to play as well, right now they are just scrambling to try and shift blame from their incompetence, and pretty much the whole world knows it so we will have more latitude than usual to respond.

a reply to: Flesh699

Agree and thanks

a reply to: ColeYounger

Agree

From an anonymous writer.
He/she removed any identifying remarks, and disabled the ability to quote.

MODS - are people allowed to remove their "names" and all identifying information, plus disable the ability to quote what they wrote?

From this thread, I get the impression that the Right Wing wants a war with China. Well, Afghanistan, Iraq and Nam worked out well, why not... I guess diplomacy is out of the question. So bring it on.... Glad I don't have any kids because they will be the one's fighting it. Bring it on....

You are as wrong as you can possibly be.

Reread the thread.

Then please have the guts to identify yourself and not delete the ability to quote you.

This is a health issue, not a political one between parties. Shame on you.

Why aren't you concerned about the millions like my husband who rely on these drugs. It takes someone devoid of compassion to make this about internal US politics rather than what it is: A communist country flexing it's muscles to hide the fact they bioengineered this virus and refocus blame on another, i.e. Trump. In the process the communist country doesn't care if they kill millions of US citizens.

This is not about who started what war, who prolonged and failed to end what war. This is not about war at all, this is not about Republicans vs Democrats.

This is about communism flexing its muscles and saying: Do what our elite political class demand - or else.
This is about China trying to say "The US is at our mercy, so do what we say - or else."

The world rallying at this inhumanity and withdrawing manufacturing from China and moving to other countries is the best way to punish China if they should do what they are threatening, rather than war.

originally posted by: The2Billies


But 4d-chess is worth a few million lives, who cares? Is that what you are saying.

Hey I didn't say I do not care, it would suck. But to deny there is a direct correlation between this move and that fun little trade war you guys had/have would be foolish. I don't like Winnie the Pooh anymore than I like Trump but this trade war isn't/wasn't about "unfair trade practices". It is about the threat of an upcoming economy overtaking the US economy and the position of those players. China doesn't want to play second fiddle and the US wants to stay the top dog...

Just so China can say "US you are our bitch and don't you forget it." Is that what you are implying?

Trump doesn't have the best reputation when it comes to international diplomacy and he picked the wrong fight if the US is so dependent on Chinese medication.

This trade deal didn't solve anything (and neither will phase 2) and it was only an attempt to get out of a war nobody would have won. The Chinese would have crashed their economy and starve their own population to the last man to win it and they are not planning on backing down anytime soon.

From the people that brought you "the art of war", this is just the next move.

Peace

this is in response to operation mindchrime:

China needs us to buy their crap (including their crap meds) more than we need them.

And the only reason why China has become such a player in the world is thanks to our dumb politicians who sold us out decades ago (looking at you, Bill Clinton).

China is hurting a lot more than we are. They should watch who they threaten because they really are in no damn position to take the US on.

You gotta be a real pussy to whine about Trump trying to put an end to the nonsense.

"Oh no, Trump got China mad and now they threaten to not send us our meds. Trump is horrible we need to kiss china's ass"

No thanks. I bet you aren't in charge of anything, are you?

a reply to: operation mindcrime

You are right communists would rather starve their own people (and they have in the past history of communism)

They will do anything to win over any country that is not socialist and on it's way to being communist (rule by the elite political class, not the Marx vision which has now been proven unobtainable) - despite their propaganda that they are for the proletariat and masses. They are anything but, and no communist country has risen above pure oppressive/repressive violent oppression of the masses and proletariat in actual practice.

For the very first time, China has been challenged about their deceptive and underhanded ways to enrich their elite political class. They are angry.

They are heartless and cruel and bioengineered a virus to kill their societal problem of too many elderly, and they have lost face that it has been loosed (probably accidentally) and ravaged the entire world.

Not a single President in the past has had the guts to stand up to them. Not a single US diplomat or any diplomat in the entire world has had the guts to stand up to their evil elite political class. So for the first time they have lost double face. The absolute worst thing imaginable, culturally, to the Chinese.

The only way Chinese communists know how to regain face is to kill as many people as possible and terrorize the population into submission. No old style diplomacy will work, it was old style diplomacy that got the world into this predicament.

If you don't think they would do something like this.
#1 Mao bragged about killing hundreds of thousands of people who were not communist to purify China.
#1 They have enacted what is shown on an episode of Black Mirror, a social credit score that is intrusive into the everyday lives of every single one of its citizens, and spies 24/7 on 100% of their population - and swiftly punish citizens who don't tow the line of the elite political class rulers. (Really frightening is that Google helped them create it).

a reply to: The2Billies

I agree with you up until the part where you are sure they bio-engineered this virus.

But it really doesn't matter who is responsible for this virus, what seems to be the point here is that you have placed your medication production in the hands of, what could be considered, your enemy.

That is kind of like making ISIS responsible for your weapon production...

Peace

originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: Gothmog

China threatening to stop sending medications to the US, they make most of them in the world

Shouldn't we send thanks if they do ?

Not the life saving one my husband must have to live.

Most likely produced in another country , if not the US , and possibly safer to take.

originally posted by: The2Billies
Not a single President in the past has had the guts to stand up to them.

Now you got someone to do it and your husband might die. Sounds like you might have been better if they had not.

If this is even true, because Sookiechacha has asked a few times if anyone can source the article in the OP but all there seem to be is crickets.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: FyreByrd

Do nothing Republicans ---- Next Great Republican Depression.

Joke of a poster. Everyone here trying to have a serious conversation and here you slinging mud.

Back on topic:

Does anyone have a link to a site that will list medications by country origin? I'd like to prepare for the meds I need for my family.

All over the social sites people are warning that there are paid trolls from foreign governments who want nothing more than a destabilized US attempting to pit US citizens against each other over this virus.

We all have to just think TROLL not just troll but PAID TROLL probably doing the bidding of Russia, Russian agents and even Chinese agents who have a vested interested in making US citizens hate each other and at each other's throats.

While Fyrebyrd may not be a paid russian or chinese troll, it is just this sort of divisive and ugly rhetoric that we are being told to keep an eye out for.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: The2Billies

I am furious that anyone would blame Trump for China's threat to with hold lifesaving drugs.

Trump denied any such threats or comments from President Xi at his presser this afternoon, when asked directly by a report from OANN TV.

Good to hear that.

Seems the threat is over for now.

But I hope this is a wake up call to the US that we MUST bring manufacturing of critical supplies back to the US so we can't be held hostage in this manner.

I hope the government wakes up and says all US companies who manufacture critical items, like life saving drugs, must manufacture at least 25% of their supply in the US. Then they can outsource the rest to make more money if they want to.