China threatening to stop sending medications to the US, they make most of them in the world

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: The2Billies

thats enought to toss their arses outa the WTO. It wont help big food like Nestle, but I hate them anyway.

Maybe I'm blowing this out of proportion but to me that sounds awfully close to them declaring war on us.

originally posted by: Chance321

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: The2Billies

thats enought to toss their arses outa the WTO. It wont help big food like Nestle, but I hate them anyway.

Maybe I'm blowing this out of proportion but to me that sounds awfully close to them declaring war on us.

Exactly. It's a quite serious accusation, no? That's why it would be important to see the actual quote from the Chinese official who made the threat. To bad there is nothing close to such a threat, that I can find, in the FOX NEWS cited link.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: The2Billies

The blame should rest firmly on the Chinese where it belongs, and not on any, and I mean any US citizen.

Nope, because it isn’t the Chinese who are manufacturing these life saving drugs. What you’re leaving out either intentionally or by accident is that the manufacturers of many of these drugs are American companies who built factories in China because of low labor costs.

According to a report by Beijing Cons Bio-Tech Development Company, a China-based pharmaceutical consultancy and the publisher of China Medipharm Insights, 18 of the top 20 global pharmaceutical giants have established manufacturing plants in China, including Novartis, Glaxo Wellcome, Merck & Co, Hoechst Marion Roussel, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, SmithKline Beecham, Hoffmann-La Roche, Bayer, Astra, Eli Lilly, Rhone-Poulenc, Schering-Plough, Pharmacia & Upjohn, Boehringer Ingelheim, Takeda Chemical and Warner-Lambert.

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The only thing that would get them to move their operations back is their industry being highly regulated in that aspect. And you aren’t exactly in the political party that regulates industry.

You have to make the other costs of doing business in the US cheaper than the cost of labor in China.

US workers will never be as cheap as Chinese workers. However, we can make the regulatory environment more streamlined. We can lower taxes. Reduce union power. There are plenty of things we can do so that a company doesn't feel the only way the can remain competitive is to move jobs overseas.

It isn't just corporate greed. Consumers also have a say in the matter. At the end of the day, people vote with their wallets. If consumers won't pay higher prices for "made in America" then they have no one to blame but themselve.

It isn’t possible to make the costs of doing business cheaper in America versus China. You can give these big pharmaceutical companies tax breaks, but the only thing that will do is funnel that money straight into their pockets, as is tradition.

Are you really just expecting Americans, who pay the most for drugs and healthcare in the entire developed world to pay even more so these big companies can move their operations here and pocket more of their money?

It is entirely possible.

Our business environment is so bureaucractic and costly that the cheapest and easiest thing to do is pack up and move operations overseas.

It is far easier to move overseas than to get politicians to lower tax rates, change zoning laws, deal with union politics, OSHA requirements, etc.

Companies move overseas as it is the easiest thing to do.

How would you incentivize these companies to do that? Without passing that cost on to the consumer, who can already barely afford medicine?

Tax breaks, economic incentives won’t work. Because that cost will be passed on to the consumer. And we’re already at a breaking point when it come to people being able to afford healthcare in this country.

They cut and they won't be making them for anyone in short order.

What country would trust them

Geee, never saw this coming/end sarcasm/

This has been coming for decades and you have to be a moron on the Left to have not seen it.

a reply to: Chance321

Feels like a declaration of war to me too. It also feels like a battle they would almost instantly lose as the power died and their people ate themselves.

From this thread, I get the impression that the Right Wing wants a war with China. Well, Afghanistan, Iraq and Nam worked out well, why not...

I guess diplomacy is out of the question. So bring it on....

Glad I don't have any kids because they will be the one's fighting it. Bring it on....

a reply to: The2Billies

This problem we may be facing of losing lifesaving drugs is directly on the hands of those who have sent the manufacture of drugs to a communist country. They know that communists have no checks and balances and will do anything to keep the elite politicians in power and will not hesitate to do something that kills millions to punish those who get in their way.

The first mistake is thinking that these same "hands" care about our best interests anyway.

I don't think any of these folks would tell us if they found something that worked better than their poison pills unless they could make just as much money off of it If they found that dirt cheap unpatentable Vitamin C works better than their synthetic patented crap, do you think we'd know?

I don't. Not for a minute.

Keeping manufacturing at home may keep the pills available (albeit far more expensive). But we're still not necessarily getting what's best for us.

I'd like to see those laws changed for the better too...

originally posted by: olaru12
From this thread, I get the impression that the Right Wing wants a war with China. Well, Afghanistan, Iraq and Nam worked out well, why not...

I guess diplomacy is out of the question. So bring it on....

Glad I don't have any kids because they will be the one's fighting it. Bring it on....

As usual, you don't know what you are talking about.

Although I am not "right wing". I can safely say that what people want is for our drugs and essential medical equipment to be manufactered in the States.

And add to that, that we are pissed that our elected officials sold us out to a commie regime like China in the first place. Thank you Bill Fng Clinton.

I think Zero sucked. I think Bush sucked....But honestly, no one did more damage to our nation than that freakin' perv and rapist, Bill Clinton.

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: The2Billies

Anyone notice that CNN seems to march in lock stop with China. Its funny as money does buy everything.

a lot of liberal media is in lockstep with the CCP.

It's because CNN, MSNBC, NY Times and others are in philosophical lockstep with those who desire socialism in the US. The progress from individual responsibility for ones life to state being responsible for ones life. The progress from deciding how to run your own life to the state deciding how you should run your life. This progress goes: Anarchy - Democracy - Republic - Socialism - Communism. The progressive liberal agenda is basically Socialism, one easy step to Communism.
So CNN, MSNBC, and the other mainstream media are promoting the progressive/liberal agenda which is clearly socialism.

The BIG money is held by the tech companies in the US. Google as we know built their social media oppressive control system and has quit (for now) working on it but has not promised to not work on it again. Google has no problem with working with a communist country who is attempting to observe every citizen, every day, all the time. That is a communist mentality. Also, the big tech companies have fired people because they do not agree with socialism and therefore have a conservative point of view, and for no other reason.

Therefore, BIG money appears to be in bed with progressive/liberalism which is now promoting socialism (i.e. Bernie Sanders entire platform). Thereby leaning toward more sympathy for Communism than a Republic.

That is why progressive/liberals and mainstream media are screaming Trump, "calling it Trump's disease", and are publicly angry at every single attempt to contain the virus in the US. It goes against their value system which is a corporate value system over the individual value system. Money (ie the state or a large group) is more important than individuals who may be harmed by favoring the state or large group over the individual.

A pro-china system says "Most people will just get the sniffles or at the worst a flu that will go away" "What's the big deal?"
Since big tech and many corporations are so intertwined with China they can not afford to do anything other than tow the Chinese line.

I am upset at people who say, look Trump is over reacting.

Do most of you know that the CV is a combination of the SARS virus and "another more serious virus". Do you know what the other more serious virus is? I do because I know someone on the task for for our state and they don't want it to get out and panic the public, so I won't mention it here.

I've seen people compare it to the Chicken Pox, well when we and/or our children got Chicken Pox (a virus) as children - did we know that when these same children reached their later years it would cause Shingles in a large number of them?

Some viruses stay in the body hidden, like Chicken Pox, like Herpes.

We don't know if this virus is like the flu, in that leaves the body with a stronger immune system - OR - is this virus like the Chicken Pox and Herpes and will resurface later in life as it lingers in the body causing something as or more painful, or worse than the original infection? We don't know.

Why should be protect the young people who get only sniffles? Because it is a virus and it has the potential to be like Herpes or Chicken Pox and resurface as a worse disease down the road.

I am furious at politicians and people who are trashing what Trump is trying to do because we just don't know what might happen to the people who only get the sniffles today, down the road. By trying to keep the infection low we may be/possibly be saving lives or painful disease down the road.

originally posted by: olaru12
From this thread, I get the impression that the Right Wing wants a war with China. Well, Afghanistan, Iraq and Nam worked out well, why not...

I guess diplomacy is out of the question. So bring it on....

Glad I don't have any kids because they will be the one's fighting it. Bring it on....

You are totally wrong! China is the one making the threats. China is unilaterally threatening to withdraw all drugs from the US. You seem to feel comfortable with China having such an invasive control of the US healthcare system.The best way to avoid war is to start manufacturing our own drugs in the US. That way NO country can hold the US hostage.

That is what China is doing, threatening to hold our entire healthcare system hostage. Why? Because Trump would not allow travel from China where the virus is raging to the US. An entirely reasonable response to a virus that right now has Italy digging trenches to bury their dead from CV. It seems to me China is trying to pick a war to deflect the fact that they created the virus and (hopefully) it accidentally got loosed in their country.

These are the drugs China is threatening to stop sending to the US, because we quarantined our country from where the virus was raging and killing people.

Hope you don't need any of these drugs:
Aciclovir – (Zovirax) – antiviral drug
Advair – asthma medicine
Adrenaline Hcl – treatment for cardiac arrest
Albendazole – treatment for worms
Alfuzosin – (Uroxatral) treatment for enlarged prostate
Allopurinol – gout treatment
Alprazolam – (Xanax) – treatment for anxiety disorders
Amikacin sulfate – treatment for bacterial infections
Aminophyline -treatment for cerebral ischemia
Amiodarone Hydrochloride -treatment for irregular heartbeat
Amlodipine – treats high blood pressure & angina
Ampicillin – antibiotic
Amodiaquine – treatment of malaria
Amoxicillin – antibiotic
Aniracetam – (Draganon, Sarpul, Ampamet) a congnition enhancer
Artemether – treats drug resistant malaria
Artesunate – malaria treatment
Aspirin – anti-inflammatory painkiller
Artemether – treats malaria
Atenolol – high blood pressure medicine
Atropine – antidote against nerve agents
Avandia – (Avandia) treatment of diabetes
Budesonide – (Entocort) treatment of allergy & asthma
Bupropion (Wellbutrin) antidepressant
Calcifediol – treats vitamin D deficiency
Candesartan – (Blopress, Atacand, Amias, Ratacand) treats hypertension
Captopril – (Capoten, Inhibace) treatment for hypertension & congestive heart failure
Carbamazepine – treatment of epilepsy, ADD & ADHD
Carnosine – treatment for autism
Cefixime – antibiotic
Cefotaxime – (Claforan) antibiotic
Cefsulodin – also, cephalosporin – antibiotic
Cephealexin – (Keflex, Keftab) – antibiotic
Chloramphenicol – antibiotic
Chlorpheniramine Maleate – (Chlor-Trimeton, Piriton) Antihistamine
Chlorpromazine Hydrochloride
Chloroquine Phosphate – treatment of malaria
Cilexetil – (Atacand) treats high blood pressure
Cilostazole – (Pletal) treats peripheral vascular disease
Cimetidine – (Tagamet) – heartburn treatment
Ciprofloxacine – (Cipro) – antibiotic & one of two effective treatments for anthrax exposure
Clomiphene Citrate – (Clomid, Serophene, Milophene) infertility treatment
Clopidogrel Bisulfate – (Plavix) treats coronary artery disease
Co-trimoxazole – (Septrin, Bactrim) antibiotic
Cloxacillin – antibiotic
Coreg – (Coreg) beta blocker that treats congestive heart failure
Cromoglicate – treats allergies and asthma
Cyclosporine – immunosuppressive drug
Cytisine – (Tabex) smoking cessation drug
Dexamethasone Acetate – anti-inflammatory steroid
Diclofenac Sodium – (Flector patch/Voltaren) – anti-imflammatory painkiller used to treat arthritis, acute injury and menstrual pain
Diosmin – hemorrhoid treatment
Diphenhydramine hydrochloride – (Benadryl) antihistimine
Doxycycline Hcl – (Vibramycin) – antibiotic
Enalapril – (Renitec, Vasotec) treatment of hypertension, chronic heart failure
Enoxacin – (Enroxil, Penetrex) antibiotic
Erythromycin – antibiotic
Famotidine – (Pepcid) antacid
Ferrous Sulfate – treatment for iron-deficiency anemia
Flucloxacillin – (Flopen, Floxapen) antibiotic
Fluconazole – (Diflucan, Trican) antifungal drug
Furosemide – (Lasix) diuretic for treating congestive heart failure
Frusemide – diuretic used to treat heart failure & edema
Flucloxacillin sodium – antibiotic
Gentamycin – antibiotic
Glibenclamide (Diabeta, Flynase, Micronase) anti-diabetic drug
Gliclazide – diabetes treatment
Griseofulvin – antifungal drug
Glyceryl Trinitrate – treatment of angina & heart disease
Hydrochlorothiazide – (Aquazide H, Dichlotride, Microzide, Oretic) diuretic
Human growth hormone – treatment of growth failure in children
Ibuprofen – anti-inflammatory painkiller
Imitrex – (Imatrex) migraine medicine
Indomethazine – anti-inflammatory painkiller
Ketoconazole – (Nizoral) antifungal drug
Lincomycine – antibiotic
Lamictal – treatment for epilepsy & bipolar disorder
Letrozole – treatment of breast cancerLipitor – (Lipitor) lowers cholesteral
Loratadine (Claritin, Lomilan, Clarinase, Alavert, AllergyX) antihistamine
Lovastatin- lowers cholesteral
Lumefantrine – treatment of malaria
Mebendazole – (Ovex, Vermox, Antiox, Pripsen) treatment for worms
Mefenamic Acid – (Ponstel, Ponstan) non-steroidal, anti-inflammatory painkiller
Meloxicam – (Mobic) non-steroidal, anti-inflammatory painkiller
Metamizole sodium (Analgin, Dipyrone, Novalgin) painkiller, fever-reducer
Methyldopa – (Aldomet, Dopamet, Novomedopa) antihypertension drug
Metoclopramide – (Maxolon, Reglan, Degan, Maxeran, Primeran) anti-nausea drug
Metronidazole – treats infections
Moexipril – (Univasc) treatment of high blood pressure
Mycophenolate Mofetil – Immunosuppressive drug
Niclosamide – treats tapeworms
Nifedipine (Adalat, Nifedical, Procardia) treats hypertension, premature labor
Nitroglycerin – (Nitrospan, Nitrostat, Tridil) heart medication
Norfloxacin – antibiotic
Ofloxacin – (Floxin) antibiotic
Ondansetron – (Zofran) – nausea prevention for chemo patients
Orlistat – (Xenical) – obesity treatment
Oxandrolone – Synthetic anabolic steroid
Oxybutinin – treatment for incontinence
Oxymetholone – Synthetic anabolic steroid
Oxytetracycline – antibiotic
Paclitaxel – also taxol – cancer treatment
Paracetamol – also, acetaminophen – painkiller
Penicillin – antibiotic
Phenacetin – painkiller
Phenformin Hydrochloride – diabetes treatment
Prednisone – steroid
Promethazine Hydrochloride – (Phenergan, Romergan, Fargan, Avomine) antihistamine
Propranolol – (Inderal, Avlocardyl, Dociton, Inderalici, InnoPran XL) hypertension treatment
Pyrimethamine – (Daraprim) antimalarial drug
Propecia – (Propecia) for prostate enlargement and hair loss
Quinine – malaria treatment

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a reply to: The2Billies

This is a continuation of the drugs China is threatening to hold hostage because China unleashed a (most likely bio-engineered) virus on the world and Trump tried to stop the virus from entering the US.

Ramipril – used to treat hypertension and congestive heart failure
Ranitidine Hydrochloride – (Zantac) antacid
Ribavirin – (Copegus, Rebetol, Ribashere, Vilona, Virazole) anti-viral drug
Rifampicin+Isoniazid – malaria treatment
Ribavirin – (Copegus, Rebetol, Ribashere) antivirual drug
Rifampicin – antibiotic
Salbutamol – asthma, copd
Sibutramine – (Meridia) obesity treatment
Spironolactone – (Aldactone, Novo-Spiroton, Verospiron, Berlactone) diuretic
Streptomycin – antibiotic
Sucralfate – (Carafate) – treats ulcers & acid reflux disease
Sulfadiazine – antibiotic
Sulfamethoxazole – antibiotic
Sulfadoxine&Pyrimethamine – treatment for malaria
Sulpiride – (Meresa, Sulpirid Ratiopharm) treatment of schizophrenia
Tamoxifen – breast cancer treatment
Tinidazole – (Tindamax, Fasigyn) anti-parasitic drug
Trandolapril – treatment of high blood pressure
Trimethoprim – antibiotic
Valaciclovir – (Valtrex) antiviral drug


What do you think would happen if China did this

It is CHINA who is threatening this over a virus and over an attempt to stop the progression of the virus into our country.

WHO is trying to start a war? The US right, really? I find that so offensive.

You don't think China doing this is so anti-humanitarian and so downright evil, you think it is the American right pushing China do do this. Shame on you. One really has to hate 66+ million people (this is a low estimate because that is only the number who actually voted for Trump and most people don't vote) to think they are responsible for China saying this and to say they are trying to start a war with a country who unleashed a virus they most likely created themselves, on the world.

Nothing new....

And the reality is, with or without the coronavirus, drug shortages are a perennial problem in the United States. But an acute emergency like a virus outbreak, but also a natural disaster or a geopolitical event like a trade war, can threaten to make things worse.

“It does fit a kind of scenario we have worried about in the field for a while now,” Cornelius Clancy, an associate professor of medicine and director of the XOR pathogen lab at the University of Pittsburgh, told me. “It wouldn’t take much to expose the vulnerabilities in the supply chain.”

www.vox.com...

Do nothing Republicans ---- Next Great Republican Depression.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Do nothing Republicans ---- Next Great Republican Depression.

Joke of a poster. Everyone here trying to have a serious conversation and here you slinging mud.

Back on topic:

Does anyone have a link to a site that will list medications by country origin? I'd like to prepare for the meds I need for my family.

a reply to: The2Billies

China is the one making the threats. China is unilaterally threatening to withdraw all drugs from the US.

We're still looking for a quote from a legitimate Chinese official regarding this alleged this threat. Who made this supposed threat? What do "they" want from Trump, that they would hold so many innocent American citizens hostage?

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: FyreByrd

Do nothing Republicans ---- Next Great Republican Depression.

Joke of a poster. Everyone here trying to have a serious conversation and here you slinging mud.

Back on topic:

Does anyone have a link to a site that will list medications by country origin? I'd like to prepare for the meds I need for my family.

You are right, this is no time for trolling! It is not cute, it is not witty, it is disgusting!

As for a link: www.africanamerica.org... Here is a list of drugs that China may withhold. One of them is a life saving drug for my husband.

I am furious that anyone would blame Trump for China's threat to with hold lifesaving drugs.

China is behaving in the most evil way that I have ever seen a communist country behave.

China is openly, VERY OPENLY willing to kill millions upon millions of people, to make the point that they are in power and the people are totally helpless and must bow to them. Evil incarnate for the entire world to see.

This is not trolling, what China is threatening to do is pure unadulterated evil like we haven't seen since the holocaust. They are in effect threatening to kill millions of Americans by with holding life saving drugs.

It is also the communist way, communism in practice has never been "for" the people, as they claim, never, not once when put into practice.

Every communist regime has turned into a monster run by an elite political caste whose goal is to impose their will on ALL people as to the best and only way OTHER people MUST live. Not one single communist country has hesitated killing tens of thousands to make any political point and to drive home that no one must ever question the elite political class in power. Now the Chinese are basically threatening to kill millions of US citizens by with holding their life saving drugs.

The right is not to blame, Trump is not to blame, wake up people, Sanders and Biden aren't to blame. CHINA is to blame for all of this. Get your heads out of the sand, get your heads out of politics. HAVE COMPASSION and WAKE UP trolls and realize CHINA is the one threatening to kill millions upon millions of US citizens if they go ahead with this. Don't support mass murder like this with your witty trolling remarks.

a reply to: olaru12

No,last thing I want is war with China...

BUT with life saving medicine potentially being denied American citizens and if something wasn't done he would be gutted by the press and by the left, if he does anything to try and keep the meds coming he will be painted as giving in by the press and the left.

But denying medical shipments purely because they screwed the pooch and need us to be the bad guy should not ever be tolerated.

You know considering the volume of fresh water China pumps out of our country we can always threaten to cut that off with a hefty increase in tariffs for every good they ship to us.

a reply to: The2Billies

I am furious that anyone would blame Trump for China's threat to with hold lifesaving drugs.

Trump denied any such threats or comments from President Xi at his presser this afternoon, when asked directly by a report from OANN TV.

a reply to: seeker1963

The blame doesn't rest with politicians.

Who outsourced all our drugs to China? The drug companies - not politicians

What would you have said if 2 years ago Trump had forbidden drug companies from manufacturing all these drugs in China and insisted they be produced in the US. You would have gone ballistic!

Who has been encouraging outsourcing all manufacturing to China? Sharks, like we have seen on Shark Tank where they often chastise companies for producing in the US and demand they manufacture cheaper in other countries - not politicians

Who has sent nearly all tech manufacturing to China? Big tech who is largely uber liberal and even fires conservatives in their companies for just being a conservative - not politicians

Not EVERYTHING is the politicians fault, in this case for sure it is not.

It is corporate greed and just think if the politicians had forbidden them from manufacturing off shore, even you would be screaming at the thought.