China threatening to stop sending medications to the US, they make most of them in the world

Imagine if China decided to weaponize the drugs they ship over? Way too many national security risks with this setup. As another poster said, it's good we have Trump in office because he will ensure we do something about it. Can't say the same for all those lame-duck politicians that have been in office for decades and ignored this issue aka Joe Biden.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: The2Billies

I can't find the article that FOX NEWS claims to source and document China's threat to stop sending medications to the USA. www.xinhuanet.com...

Can you?

Now, doctors are doing trials on "remdesivir" as a therapy for COVID 19, but it is a product owned and patented by Gilead, a US pharmaceutical company.

They also are claiming that it was the US that released it and that we should all be thanking china for their handling of the situation, I wouldn't put it past them, they actually did something similar along time ago imvolving rare earth metals.

The CCP is on a massive disinfo spree inregards to the Chinese Coronovirus.

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: BlueJacket



It's easy to hate China, but where does the blame really lie?

Perhaps on the corporations that value cheap labor and materials over the American working man and the welfare of the country. Profit and allegiance to the corporate investors; I don't think that's going to change no matter what China does.

It's a global economy, nationalism and isolationism is all well and good, but it's just not going to happen in today world.

a reply to: Arnie123

I don't see that either, at the link provided by FOX NEWS.

a reply to: The2Billies

The blame should rest firmly on the Chinese where it belongs, and not on any, and I mean any US citizen.

Nope, because it isn’t the Chinese who are manufacturing these life saving drugs. What you’re leaving out either intentionally or by accident is that the manufacturers of many of these drugs are American companies who built factories in China because of low labor costs.

According to a report by Beijing Cons Bio-Tech Development Company, a China-based pharmaceutical consultancy and the publisher of China Medipharm Insights, 18 of the top 20 global pharmaceutical giants have established manufacturing plants in China, including Novartis, Glaxo Wellcome, Merck & Co, Hoechst Marion Roussel, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, SmithKline Beecham, Hoffmann-La Roche, Bayer, Astra, Eli Lilly, Rhone-Poulenc, Schering-Plough, Pharmacia & Upjohn, Boehringer Ingelheim, Takeda Chemical and Warner-Lambert.

Link

The only thing that would get them to move their operations back is their industry being highly regulated in that aspect. And you aren’t exactly in the political party that regulates industry.

a reply to: underwerks

The only thing that would get them to move their operations back is their industry being highly regulated in that aspect. And you aren’t exactly in the political party that regulates industry.

So we should use The Economic Powers Act he referred to way back when he was wanting to bring companies back to America. Back then it seemed controversial to use it, but now that we have a national emergency, it should be a legitimate tool to fight this.

a reply to: Middleoftheroad

But that’s regulating industry. And regulations are bad. That’s what the people who get massive donations from these pharmaceutical companies tell me anyway.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: The2Billies

The blame should rest firmly on the Chinese where it belongs, and not on any, and I mean any US citizen.

Nope, because it isn’t the Chinese who are manufacturing these life saving drugs. What you’re leaving out either intentionally or by accident is that the manufacturers of many of these drugs are American companies who built factories in China because of low labor costs.

According to a report by Beijing Cons Bio-Tech Development Company, a China-based pharmaceutical consultancy and the publisher of China Medipharm Insights, 18 of the top 20 global pharmaceutical giants have established manufacturing plants in China, including Novartis, Glaxo Wellcome, Merck & Co, Hoechst Marion Roussel, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, SmithKline Beecham, Hoffmann-La Roche, Bayer, Astra, Eli Lilly, Rhone-Poulenc, Schering-Plough, Pharmacia & Upjohn, Boehringer Ingelheim, Takeda Chemical and Warner-Lambert.

Link

The only thing that would get them to move their operations back is their industry being highly regulated in that aspect. And you aren’t exactly in the political party that regulates industry.

You have to make the other costs of doing business in the US cheaper than the cost of labor in China.

US workers will never be as cheap as Chinese workers. However, we can make the regulatory environment more streamlined. We can lower taxes. Reduce union power. There are plenty of things we can do so that a company doesn't feel the only way the can remain competitive is to move jobs overseas.

It isn't just corporate greed. Consumers also have a say in the matter. At the end of the day, people vote with their wallets. If consumers won't pay higher prices for "made in America" then they have no one to blame but themselve.

a reply to: underwerks

Well, I was trying to have a serious conversation with you, but I guess not.

a reply to: underwerks

Gilead too.

Gilead Sciences Shanghai Pharmaceutical Technology Co., Ltd.
Floor 31, Building 1,
Century Link Office Building,
No. 1198 Century Ave, Pudong New Area,
Shanghai 200135, China

www.gilead.com...
www.gilead.com...

This all looks increasing like a deepstate chicom plot IMO

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
This all looks increasing like a deepstate chicom plot IMO

Trump hurt them bad, perhaps this is there counterpunch?

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: The2Billies

The blame should rest firmly on the Chinese where it belongs, and not on any, and I mean any US citizen.

Nope, because it isn’t the Chinese who are manufacturing these life saving drugs. What you’re leaving out either intentionally or by accident is that the manufacturers of many of these drugs are American companies who built factories in China because of low labor costs.

According to a report by Beijing Cons Bio-Tech Development Company, a China-based pharmaceutical consultancy and the publisher of China Medipharm Insights, 18 of the top 20 global pharmaceutical giants have established manufacturing plants in China, including Novartis, Glaxo Wellcome, Merck & Co, Hoechst Marion Roussel, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, SmithKline Beecham, Hoffmann-La Roche, Bayer, Astra, Eli Lilly, Rhone-Poulenc, Schering-Plough, Pharmacia & Upjohn, Boehringer Ingelheim, Takeda Chemical and Warner-Lambert.

Link

The only thing that would get them to move their operations back is their industry being highly regulated in that aspect. And you aren’t exactly in the political party that regulates industry.

You have to make the other costs of doing business in the US cheaper than the cost of labor in China.

US workers will never be as cheap as Chinese workers. However, we can make the regulatory environment more streamlined. We can lower taxes. Reduce union power. There are plenty of things we can do so that a company doesn't feel the only way the can remain competitive is to move jobs overseas.

It isn't just corporate greed. Consumers also have a say in the matter. At the end of the day, people vote with their wallets. If consumers won't pay higher prices for "made in America" then they have no one to blame but themselve.

It isn’t possible to make the costs of doing business cheaper in America versus China. You can give these big pharmaceutical companies tax breaks, but the only thing that will do is funnel that money straight into their pockets, as is tradition.

Are you really just expecting Americans, who pay the most for drugs and healthcare in the entire developed world to pay even more so these big companies can move their operations here and pocket more of their money?

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: underwerks

Well, I was trying to have a serious conversation with you, but I guess not.

I’m completely serious.

Go to www.opensecrets.org... and look up your favorite politicians and see just how much they’ve taken in from these big pharmaceutical companies. Then look at their voting record on things involving these companies and cross reference that with their public stance on regulating industry.

The people you’re hoping will make changes that protect us have long since been paid off to only help themselves.

a reply to: underwerks

Isn't the money in research and development though, which the American consumer already pays for?

The United States is exceptional in that it does not regulate or negotiate the prices of new prescription drugs when they come onto market. ... Lowering drug profits would make pharmaceuticals a less desirable industry for investors. And less investment in drugs would mean less research toward new and innovative cures.

Link

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: The2Billies

Anyone notice that CNN seems to march in lock stop with China. Its funny as money does buy everything.

China flooded money into the universities that started the whole political correctness #, too.

Let that sink in.

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
This all looks increasing like a deepstate chicom plot IMO

Trump hurt them bad, perhaps this is there counterpunch?

So many things are getting my back up, so many alarm bells my head just cant piece them all together yet, but ive seen many ex Obama hold overs and ex CDC all predict this in 2017/2018, then the event201 then the Chinese threats over the past decades of bio attacks, then the ex KGB stating how communism will take over the campuses and universities, how the deepstate are pushing communist ideas

just seem like a decades long plot coming together IMO

a reply to: The2Billies

China is threatening to stop sending all drugs to the US.

Seems like a pretty clear message to get business/industry back here to the US. I don't care what kind of sweet heart deal that has to be made just get them back here.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: underwerks

Isn't the money in research and development though, which the American consumer already pays for?

The United States is exceptional in that it does not regulate or negotiate the prices of new prescription drugs when they come onto market. ... Lowering drug profits would make pharmaceuticals a less desirable industry for investors. And less investment in drugs would mean less research toward new and innovative cures.

Link

Depends on what drug you’re talking about. A lot of these lifesaving drugs are older or are variations on older drugs that should be public domain by now.

Such as insulin.

In a profit driven system there is no incentive to make drugs more accessible to people. The incentive is maximization of profits.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: The2Billies

The blame should rest firmly on the Chinese where it belongs, and not on any, and I mean any US citizen.

Nope, because it isn’t the Chinese who are manufacturing these life saving drugs. What you’re leaving out either intentionally or by accident is that the manufacturers of many of these drugs are American companies who built factories in China because of low labor costs.

According to a report by Beijing Cons Bio-Tech Development Company, a China-based pharmaceutical consultancy and the publisher of China Medipharm Insights, 18 of the top 20 global pharmaceutical giants have established manufacturing plants in China, including Novartis, Glaxo Wellcome, Merck & Co, Hoechst Marion Roussel, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, SmithKline Beecham, Hoffmann-La Roche, Bayer, Astra, Eli Lilly, Rhone-Poulenc, Schering-Plough, Pharmacia & Upjohn, Boehringer Ingelheim, Takeda Chemical and Warner-Lambert.

Link

The only thing that would get them to move their operations back is their industry being highly regulated in that aspect. And you aren’t exactly in the political party that regulates industry.

You have to make the other costs of doing business in the US cheaper than the cost of labor in China.

US workers will never be as cheap as Chinese workers. However, we can make the regulatory environment more streamlined. We can lower taxes. Reduce union power. There are plenty of things we can do so that a company doesn't feel the only way the can remain competitive is to move jobs overseas.

It isn't just corporate greed. Consumers also have a say in the matter. At the end of the day, people vote with their wallets. If consumers won't pay higher prices for "made in America" then they have no one to blame but themselve.

It isn’t possible to make the costs of doing business cheaper in America versus China. You can give these big pharmaceutical companies tax breaks, but the only thing that will do is funnel that money straight into their pockets, as is tradition.

Are you really just expecting Americans, who pay the most for drugs and healthcare in the entire developed world to pay even more so these big companies can move their operations here and pocket more of their money?

It is entirely possible.

Our business environment is so bureaucractic and costly that the cheapest and easiest thing to do is pack up and move operations overseas.

It is far easier to move overseas than to get politicians to lower tax rates, change zoning laws, deal with union politics, OSHA requirements, etc.

Companies move overseas as it is the easiest thing to do.