Please. . . . Calm down, page 7

LenaB

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 08:53 AM

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a reply to: cmdrkeenkid
Its the responsible adult thing to do. Always be prepared to take care of your family.

LenaB

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 08:55 AM

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a reply to: musicismagic

Im interested in the links

llpoolej

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:02 AM

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This whole thing reminds me of when I had a strangles outbreak at my barn. I did not properly quarantine a horse that came in and 30 of the 36 horses eventually got strangles. It is an illness that can and does, kill horses. I tried to isolate it, I tried to disinfect, I tried everything possible. It kept going. Slowly. One by one they were getting it. I finally said "Screw it" threw them all out together and let everyone get it so it would be over.

There comes a point that there is no containing the spread of a virulent disease. This one seems very hearty and very contagious. I have had to put in my plan for teaching my classes remotely. We will likely end up doing them online. I am out and about so much that even with all the handwashing and use of my lysol wipes that I carry around, I will likely get it. Not to mention my husband who is in contact with people, keys and money all day.

If you are in a fragile medical state, I would do basic things only. Even if I hid in my house, my family will likely bring it home. I have 2 more close contact convention type things coming up. I just hope if I get sick, I can make it home without getting stuck somewhere.

musicismagic

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:04 AM

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originally posted by: LenaB
a reply to: musicismagic

Im interested in the links

ketsuko

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:05 AM

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a reply to: DBCowboy

Not freaking out.

We made sure there is enough on hand to cover something if the store is out or to cover if we're asked to stay in. Beyond that, we're living life as usual until we're not allowed to.

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Vroomfondel

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:17 AM

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a reply to: DBCowboy

It is possible to react appropriately and still be calm, even though this matter may be more serious than you appear to believe it is. This is a flu, that is true. But to say it is no more or less harmless than any other flu is simply incorrect.

The seasonal flu you are referring to, H1N1 and H3N2 this year, have been around for years. The whole planet has been exposed to them. That is why their numbers are so high. Covid-19 is only three months old. If you want to compare how dangerous one flu is to another you have to compare them at the same age. It isn't fair to use years and years of data for one virus and only three months of data for another.

Covid-19 is three months old and the mortality rate is 3.4%. This virus is still spreading. Many nations have not even been touched yet. There is much more to come from this virus. For an accurate comparison you need to compare this data to H1N1 when it was just three months old. According to the W.H.O. at the three month mark H1N1 had a mortality rate of just .4%. BTW, the H1N1 I am referring to is the Swine flu epidemic of 2009. You read that right. The 2009 Swine flu epidemic had a mortality rate of .4% at the three month mark, compared to covid-19 with a mortality rate of 3.4%.

Swine flu H1N1 was detected in humans in mid-March 2009 in Mexico. By mid-June 2009 there were 44,287 cases world wide with 180 deaths.

A mortality rate of 3.4% compared to .4% means at the three month mark covid-19 is 8.5 times more lethal than swine flu.

I am not panicking. I am not ready to strip naked and run screaming into the woods - though that is a great way to spend a weekend. But I am treating this outbreak appropriately. I think you would do well to do the same.

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ketsuko

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:19 AM

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a reply to: TritonTaranis

These are the bullet points from a Business Insider article about the subject. I've been saying for a while that we would have a better idea about this thing once we watched Japan and South Korea deal with it because they have no reason to lie and more modern systems to better compare with ours.

South Korea has better and more available testing kits, so they can do aggressive testing and they have. They have a good idea of the scope of their problem. They have tested over 140,000, uncovering 6,000 cases and that means they're finding even the mild cases most of us knew were existing in place like China but that we weren't seeing because of limited testing capability. Consider -- we very much have that problem in the US, limited testing capability, so all we see are the sickest cases connected to specific circumstances. That will make a disease appear worse than it is because you don't test everyone who might have it. Mild cases are never counted in your stats.

Because of their aggressive testing, South Korea has a mortality rate of around 0.6%.

Why? Again, because they are counting a lot of the cases where the person just needs to treat a bad cold or flu-like illness on their own at home. Those are the majority of cases, and what most of us will be looking at ... just like with the annual cold or flu.

Additionally, South Korea's health care system is the most comparable to our own, and it has their death rate at 0.6% with 6,000 cases as of the writing of this article.

www.businessinsider.com...

CynConcepts

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:26 AM

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a reply to: Vector99

Speaking of ignorance, I also saw a thread that said washing your hands does nothing to combat the virus, and as a non-professional medical advisor I can say that is a blatant lie, wash your hands people. You should be doing that on a regular basis, but now you should do it before you touch your face or your private parts (yeah nobody wanted to say that one, but wash up before masturbation).

I did have to stop here in this thread and respond with some extra advice for that last portion of that paragraph. Get yourself a tub of virgin coconut oil! Coconut oil contains medium chains of triglycerides that have strong antiviral, anti fungal, and antibiotic properties. It also has antiseptic properties which can reduce discomfort.

Not only can it be used in cooking, but one can set aside a portion for private personal uses. If one is going to prep for being quarantined...that should be in your pantry.

ketsuko

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:29 AM

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a reply to: CynConcepts

I'll add this for the sake of humor, but husband and I saw it yesterday and laughed long and hard. We tend to use lots of peppers in our cooking for various reasons and can totally relate.

But on the coconut oil angle ... We use that for cooking! Nothing better than coconut oil popped popcorn.

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llpoolej

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:36 AM

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This is from a friend in Atlanta: One patient was intubated and put in ICU. All I know is I have been a CT tech for 20 years and I have never seen lungs like this patient had defiantly did not have pneumonia.

She doesn't know if the ones with suspected coronavirus have it, as the results aren't back, but, she is believing they do.

YouAreLiedTo

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:38 AM

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a reply to: ketsuko

0.6% is over 6 times more deadly than the common flu.

That's a big difference. The small numbers are deceiving.

TheRedneck

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:40 AM

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Well, I see another well-intentioned thread just bit the dust... here's a few things the media doesn't seem to want people to know about:

The COVID19 virus is not unlike a seasonal flu virus, except for two things: it is "novel" (meaning we don't have much knowledge of it) and it appears to be communicable before symptoms appear. Those are really the only things that separate it from the normal flu bug. It spreads the same way, attacks the same organs, and causes the same general symptoms as a flu. It is a novel influenza that we aren't sure how to protect against.

The vast majority of people who die from this bug are elderly and have other contributing conditions. Now, don't anyone go trying to quote numbers from death certificates... those are not accurate as to causes. My mother died from pneumonia according to her death certificate... but that pneumonia was a result of esophogeal dystrophy (inability to swallow), which was a result of advanced schleroderma, and specifically from regurgitation into her lungs which set up the pneumonia she eventually succumbed to. But still, her death certificate says she died of "pneumonia." Technically true, but certainly far from the whole story. So death certificates will not necessarily report that someone died from "COVID19"... they will report "pneumonia," which could be from COVID19 or from other causes.

There is a shortage of test kits for the virus. This is being corrected, but there will always be a shortage of test kits for any new virus. These kits take time to develop and manufacture. The US is not relying greatly on Chinese information, because their attempts seem to have led to the deaths of a few cities. I'm personally not a big fan of reliance on failure.

Once we have enough kits, we will discover that the death rate is somewhere very close to the seasonal flu. The number of deaths will not decrease, of course, but we will likely discover that we are off on the number of infected by a margin of as much as ten to one. Many of the cases already found had almost no symptoms, especially among children. That means the normal human body has resilience to the virus!

China has the vast, vast bulk of all deaths so far from this illness. China also has the worst air pollution on the blasted planet! Air pollution places extra stress on the lungs and makes pneumonia easier to get as well as more severe when one does get it. Add in the fact that personal hygiene in China is much less prevalent than in the West, and you have a perfect breeding ground for this bug. So unless one is going to start breathing air dirty enough to whittle, or living among human feces and used syringes, one is looking at normal flu-like progression. San Francisco might want to panic about now; the rest of the country? Nah, not so much.

My thanks to the OP for at least attempting to inject some reason into this discussion. It is a concern, but not a major one. Wash your hands once in a while, try not to let others sneeze directly into your nostrils, and you'll be fine. The CDC has got this.

TheRedneck

CynConcepts

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:44 AM

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a reply to: ketsuko

Okay, now I am laughing too. My do it yourself creative side is imagining blending the two and creating my own heat jelly rather than going to Spencer's and buying it. Quarantine may not be so boring after all.

Bicent

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:50 AM

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a reply to: TheRedneck

The problem. Is not necessarily whether or not we should be afraid of it killing us per se. It’s a concern sure, I do agree whole hardidly it’s not the Black Plague.

The problem and let me emphasize this, is the pandemic, and the strain it puts on the medical system. Indeed the early data we have to analyze shows roughly about 15% of folks have serious complications And need hospitalization and about 5% risk death etc. these folks will need a hospital and some icu’s. I just don’t have more time, gotta get the dog to the vet for rabbi shot. But it’s not the virus itself it’s the virus infecting everyone at once. Bye

ketsuko

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:55 AM

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a reply to: llpoolej

That's because it's a novel virus. When things go bad with it. They will go very, very bad. They saw this with Spanish Flu too. It could completely destroy the lungs and cause symptoms that made doctors swear it was not the flu, but it was. It was just a strain our own bodies/immune systems had never seen. So between the lack of natural immunity if the population, the novelty of the strain, and the tendency of the body's immune system to over-react to it, it could do freakish things to a person when it went bad and became a severe to critical illness.

Violater1

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 09:58 AM

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You won't see me on this thread.
But I would like more information on the milkshake part.

ketsuko

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 10:00 AM

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originally posted by: YouAreLiedTo
a reply to: ketsuko

0.6% is over 6 times more deadly than the common flu.

That's a big difference. The small numbers are deceiving.

Personally? I'll take 0.6% if I get it; those odds are so small you can't even roll them on dice. Heck, I may already have had it honestly. I had contact with people from the right place at the right time and came down with an illness with all the right symptoms within the right timeframe not long after.

My whole family did, in fact. Did I have it? I don't know, and I'm not going to assume I did, but it's not impossible either.

Violater1

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 10:07 AM

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originally posted by: llpoolej
This is from a friend in Atlanta: One patient was intubated and put in ICU. All I know is I have been a CT tech for 20 years and I have never seen lungs like this patient had defiantly did not have pneumonia.

She doesn't know if the ones with suspected coronavirus have it, as the results aren't back, but, she is believing they do.

What did they look like?
Ground glass, cavitation...?

Did they look like this:

TheRedneck

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 10:15 AM

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a reply to: Bicent

Yeah, that's a concern... but this panic is the reason for the concern. Right now, anyone with a cold or the seasonal flu is going to be treated like they have COVID19, and a lot of people who would normally just ignore the flu and power through it are going to be going to a hospital in a panic.

That could overwhelm nay medical system.

People just need to stop with the panic (and yes, what i am seeing is panic!) and let the medical system work like it's supposed to. Every major event in recent history has been the result of a panic: the Great Depression was the result of a financial panic; World War II, while possibly inevitable, certainly was spurred by a panic; the SARS thing was a panic... just calm down and use a little common sense, people!

If you need a hospital, by all means go... but if you don't, don't go.

TheRedneck

TheLead

posted on Mar, 8 2020 @ 10:17 AM

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a reply to: TritonTaranis

Summer should do a number on it. As I understand viruses are attract to the water molecules looking for a host to the point that they spread themselves too thin and weaken.

Ketsuko has also been lamenting since the first thread on how the testing has been for the worst cases, so this suggest the mortality rate vs recovered rate is not a metric to go by. There is a good possibility that 10's or 100's in America have had the virus and recovered without health professionals even knowing.