Please. . . . Calm down

a reply to: carewemust

I think the ones taking it hardest will be those who are aware they aren't working. If you know you aren't out making your paycheck, it will drive you up the wall, and that will be the worst.

For those who have work following them home, it will easier to bear. At least we'll still have the security of knowing we have our jobs, are still doing them, and still have paychecks coming to cover.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Krakatoa
Delaying the spread allows time for the medical establishment to research and hopefully find a vaccine. Any delay i the spread is a good thing. At least to people who think with their minds and not with their hearts.

And this response completely ignores the logic of the comment it was replying to.

What happens when you open t hings back up after 'delaying'? It starts all over again.

It is a simple question, and I have seen no logical response that addresses it.

It is about flattening the belkl curve of the pandemic to reasonable numbers so that hospitals and medical staff can cope.

In cities of 100K you might only have 10 ICU beds available. Each patient that is in critical condition may be in an ICU bed for 14 days. If you have even 1% of that 100K population needing ICU then there simply not enough beds.

The idea is to limit the rate of transmission.

It won't start all over again because there will be immunities developed by the few infected, better preparation and what to expect of medical personnel and a more broad range of data from which to beat this thing.

Must say, I'm on the side of "Why are we risking the whole world economy for 2% of the population when a far greater number die from other things daily"

a reply to: marikievansclkers

Because any one of us might end up in that small percentage, and even though logically you can know it's only a small percentage, it doesn't help you if you end up in that group gasping away what's left of your life on the floor of an overwhelmed hospital ward knowing that if you'd come down with this in a better time ... you'd be in a bed with proper equipment and solid chance of living.

Besides, both my father and my father-in-law are in the higher risk groups as older males with heart conditions. I'm not willing to play ruthless calculus with their lives at this moment.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: marikievansclkers

Because any one of us might end up in that small percentage,

Talk about absolute paranoia. I'm from South Africa buddy. TB, Malaria, Guns, HIV and much more are far more deadly and the world doesn't bat an eyelid. Now that all you americans with your nice things and your sheltered lives are affecte3d now suddenly we must pause the global economy. WHy don't we do that for hunger? Why don't we do that for HIV? Why don't we do that for war? Oh right because you rich people in first world countries were not directly affected by those things. They're the things you can ignore because they don't happen daily in your countries. HYPOCRITES!!!

Well I just hit the super-stores to help my elderly mother get her shopping, the store looked like a pack of locust's had descended, it looked unbelievably surreal.

Then the Car wouldn't start and we had to call the AA

In the mean time she suggested why don't you go get us a milkshake from McDonalds..

Those twenty minutes had me reflect this is how people will DIE, standing in a cue to get a sodding milkshake crammed in the store front like sardines in a tin standing back to back with each other...

I was very glad to get the hell out of there!

originally posted by: Android86
Well I just hit the super-stores to help my elderly mother get her shopping, the store looked like a pack of locust's had descended, it looked unbelievably surreal.

Then the Car wouldn't start and we had to call the AA

In the mean time she suggested why don't you go get us a milkshake from McDonalds..

Those twenty minutes had me reflect this is how people will DIE, standing in a cue to get a sodding milkshake crammed in the store front like sardines in a tin standing back to back with each other...

I was very glad to get the hell out of there!

Our local stores are opening an hour earlier for people over 65 and you will need identification to shop in that hour. Now that is something I can get on board with. It doesn't cripple anything and they're focusing on the vulnerable.. 9 unit maximum limit installed per item bought.

a reply to: marikievansclkers

Well im not over 65 I'm 46 and as to this Virus, I think I've had it already but at the moment nobody's getting tested, they're just getting told to isolate & I did isolate myself for over two weeks, I experienced chills, a mild headache, sore throat and a bit of a watery cough.

My mother over two weeks ago had a fever but no cough & yes she'd been out the country through the airports.

If that was it, then I'll be honest I don't see what all the fuss is about in 2018 I came down with Lyme's disease and Tuberculosis and I have scaring in my left lung and that was from coughing up a chunk of it!

As a result my immune system is skyrocketing and whilst working for the NHS years ago I took the Hepatitis Booster immunizations as I dealt frequently with patients in A&E so if that was why it felt like a mild cold then that's worth thinking about. Because you have to physically request to have the boosters they're not mandatory!

From what I remember it's three injections and there spaced out over a period of Month's and the reason you have to request them if you want them is because they of course cost the government money! But I still didn't like being in that close proximity to loads of other people because dude, coughing up a chunk of lung tissue and blood specs is something you never forget!

originally posted by: Android86
a reply to: marikievansclkers

Well im not over 65 I'm 46 and as to this Virus, I think I've had it already but at the moment nobody's getting tested, they're just getting told to isolate & I did isolate myself for over two weeks, I experienced chills, a mild headache, sore throat and a bit of a watery cough.

My mother over two weeks ago had a fever but no cough & yes she'd been out the country through the airports.

If that was it, then I'll be honest I don't see what all the fuss is about in 2018 I came down with Lyme's disease and Tuberculosis and I have scaring in my left lung and that was from coughing up a chunk of it!

As a result my immune system is skyrocketing and whilst working for the NHS years ago I took the Hepatitis Booster immunizations as I dealt frequently with patients in A&E so if that was why it felt like a mild cold then that's worth thinking about. Because you have to physically request to have the boosters they're not mandatory!

TB kills 4000 people a day but nobody is talking about it because it is mostly a virus which affects poor africans not first world countries...

a reply to: marikievansclkers

Yeap, tell me about it, those poor africans where in the McDonalds que wiping there nose on there sleeve

a reply to: marikievansclkers

You know, usually when someone makes a post about how terrible the US is, I bristle up with indignant pride and start spraying patriotism all over the rug. But in this case... you're absolutely right. Have a star.

Those who are so afraid of dying from something with this low mortality rate need to understand something: one of these days, you will die. Period. There's no reason to take life so seriously because none of us will get out of it alive. It actually appears many will get out of it by trying desperately to stay in it.

I can honestly say that, even though I'm not yet 60 (just close enough to smell it), I've already lived a fuller life than the vast majority of people on this planet. I even died once (it just didn't take). Three different careers, topped out in two of them, and still moving forward, even if it's at a very slow pace now. Hot-rodder, redneck, web-master, artist, inventor, student, teacher, intellectual, mentor, father, caretaker, husband, indigent, business owner, CEO, town drunk... done about everything, and had a lot of fun doing all of it. Had I been afraid during those almost 60 years, I couldn't say that today. I'm looking forward to what I can add to that list in the next 20 years... I ain't done yet.

The coward dies 1000 deaths; the brave man only one.

Buck up and live, people.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

As far as horror movies go @ TheRedneck, this would be one for the big screen, a novel new Virus, that targets the elderly and the people with disabilities like downs syndrome whilst leaving the rest of the healthy population alive?

Why? Are we all going to gestate egg's inside us and experience the invasion of the body snatchers?

The bit that made me smile, whilst we're all panic buying loo roll in the UK, you guys in the states are buying panic buying guns.

Sometimes I envy America and it's community of preparers!

Although I actually achieved the next to impossible today, I found both toilet paper and hand sanitizer in abundance, idiots clearing the shelves are only targeting the miniature bottles of sanitizer, the whole TUB's of it sold for a buck (£1.00) are still on the shelves, help's to know what your stripping off the shelf by reading the label eh!


People can learn a hell of a lot by opening an MOD ration packet and looking at the tiny packet of tissue's that are issued to soldiers to be used over a 24 hour period to wipe your bottom.

originally posted by: marikievansclkers
It won't start all over again because there will be immunities developed by the few infected, better preparation and what to expect of medical personnel and a more broad range of data from which to beat this thing.

That makes no sense whatsoever. It will pick back up where it left off. In order for this to work, we'd basically have to do this in cycles...

Shut everything down for 2 months...

Open it back up...

Shut everything down for two months...

Open everything back up...

Sorry, that is nuts.

a reply to: marikievansclkers

The global economy was pausing before it got here.

Anytime you have countries putting people on lockdown where they are being asked to stay home, the economy in their area will suffer, and when you have an economy as globally reliant as this one is ... well, you have the logical consequences.

The truth is that big companies have put all their eggs in one basket in too many cases. They see cheap labor here ... so they outsource all of it to that place. Now when that place goes on lockdown ... Oops! They can't produce. They have disruptions in what they can do. We have too much of that all over.

The truth is that this has uncovered a massive flaw in the philosophy of globalism and we're all suffering for it.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Well, that was one of the most impressive, sanest and, yes, useful posts in the annals of ATS Coronavirus comments.

Well, compared to my drivel anyway.

Whilst novel coronavirus or CoV-ID-19 isn't likely to kill loads of people, SARS-associated viral hepatitis caused by novel coronavirus aka: SARS-CoV-2 which solidifys the human lungs into a thick paste like a bucket of cement is.

The government prattles on about buying more ventilators, but the reality is, if you are in a condition where you actually require a ventilator, then you my friends are already dead and only prolonging the inevitable.

Then you've got people in the cities prattling on about "HURD immunity" deliberately going off to old fashioned style flu parties to try and catch CoV-ID-19 with little thought to the actual science of immunizations, vaccines and immunity. They just think if they catch it they'll be better off.

To be honest I was hit by the anti-climax of having caught something that resembled all the symptoms but was in honesty so mild I hardly even noticed it, but its a broad spectrum, whilst some of us are going to catch it and find it incredibly mild - 98.7% will experience extremely unpleasant symptoms and out of those 98.7% only 3.7% will get the squirt's so hoarding toilet paper is fruitless!

originally posted by: marikievansclkers

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: marikievansclkers

Because any one of us might end up in that small percentage,

Talk about absolute paranoia. I'm from South Africa buddy. TB, Malaria, Guns, HIV and much more are far more deadly and the world doesn't bat an eyelid. Now that all you americans with your nice things and your sheltered lives are affecte3d now suddenly we must pause the global economy. WHy don't we do that for hunger? Why don't we do that for HIV? Why don't we do that for war? Oh right because you rich people in first world countries were not directly affected by those things. They're the things you can ignore because they don't happen daily in your countries. HYPOCRITES!!!

I dont think you understand our situation. We have been infiltrated by communists at the highest level of government, entertainment, sports, education etc. for over 50 years. Our intelligence agencies, Military etc are compromised. These people have systimatically been useing the 45 goals of communism to destroy the country for many many years.

Trump has been fixing things and trying to right our path but we are so compromised its almost impossible. Its a miracle we are not in a full blown hot war right now with Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea.

Your average american who knows whats going on see this virus as an excuse to destroy America. Its a totalitarian takeover and Trumps in a trap. If he downplays the virus any and all deaths will be his fault. If he hypes it and lays down the hammer he is a dictator violating the constitution and will probably be impeached... again. So he is caught on the razors edge where the CDC and HHS are backstabbing him while he has to try and keep things from falling apart.

Anyways... there is a lot going on you may not understand. What you see on TV is not your typical American. Thats what they want you to see in your virtual reality that they control. Similar to me thinking all you white south africans are oppressing people of color. I know thats not the truth though when I see factual accounts of 13 year old farmboy carrying an uzi so a group of raiders dont kill him unarmed and rape him mother and sister.

When you see some American nuttjobs fighting over a role of TP or shoes its not the norm. Most of the time if we disagree its a 9mm vs 45acp thing or is the 40s&w a dead caliber.

Most Americans do not want violence and are peacful. If not we would all be dead because almost everyone has guns. Everyone has their limits though and a lot of them are about done with all the corruption. Trump was basically the last shot at a peacful solution.

originally posted by: agenda51

originally posted by: marikievansclkers

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: marikievansclkers

Because any one of us might end up in that small percentage,

Talk about absolute paranoia. I'm from South Africa buddy. TB, Malaria, Guns, HIV and much more are far more deadly and the world doesn't bat an eyelid. Now that all you americans with your nice things and your sheltered lives are affecte3d now suddenly we must pause the global economy. WHy don't we do that for hunger? Why don't we do that for HIV? Why don't we do that for war? Oh right because you rich people in first world countries were not directly affected by those things. They're the things you can ignore because they don't happen daily in your countries. HYPOCRITES!!!

I dont think you understand our situation. We have been infiltrated by communists at the highest level of government, entertainment, sports, education etc. for over 50 years. Our intelligence agencies, Military etc are compromised. These people have systematically been using the 45 goals of communism to destroy the country for many many years.

Trump has been fixing things and trying to right our path but we are so compromised its almost impossible. Its a miracle we are not in a full blown hot war right now with Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea.

I became a spelling fascist and ran the spell checker for you...

Computers are communism, if you don't like socialism, then don't shoot the messenger. DRM or digital rights management is at the crux of that argument, as I tried to explain to my elderly mom, if I copy a album off CD using free software and give her the copy, she has every right to be able to listen to that CD that I've made a copy of for her in her Apple iTunes, without apples DRM or Digital Rights Management kicking in and deleting that copy.

MSDOS 8 bits 16 bits 32 bit and 64 bits - now how many times does 8 divide into 64?

But wait up now what about the CPC on the AMIGA which is 68 bits, how many times does 68 divide into 8?

The answer is 8.5 or the eight and a half that programmers prattle on about.

Personally I still like using old 16 bit MSDOS on 128GB disk's with Norton commander for nostalgia but that's just me!

It is a wise individual who still use's MSDOS 6.22 with it's DIsk Doubler which Microsoft got sued over and had to remove because they stole that code from Drive Stacker and lets face it Windows 3.1 (16bits) was way better than Windows XP (32bits) because after 95 and Windows became 3.11 for Work-groups there's your "Genie" out of some kind of magical lamp. "Internet Explorer" which is still even inside Windows 10, only it's now an integral part of your filing system, whilst guys in the open source sphere happily point out exactly how much information Google and Microsoft are raping off there own consumers with DRM.

Hong-Meng or Harmony OS is that a proprietary Operating System from Hauwei - Google would try to make you believe that it is, when the reality is it's open source and can be downloaded freely by anyone from Github!

You can not in all honesty sit there pointing the finger at China or North Korea for a Virus that in truth came out of an animal probably poisoned with pesticides that globalism is probably to blame for in the first place, lets try to hold things in perspective and remember that myxomatosis was a man made disease and one that didn't do what the people who invented it thought.

As for the President - there's hardly a word that passes his lips where he hasn't had to backtrack because of his inability to tell the truth, people either love or hate the old codger and he gives me a laugh when he goes on TV with his golden tanned body with his almost totally white eyelids where he's been laying under a solar sun bed with a pair or UV lens glasses protecting his eyeballs.

Advice from Whitehall

Immunize yourselves by exposure to this novel new contagion, sound advice don't you think.

Let me reflect that the Black Death of 1347 was exactly when everybody ran out of the house to find a "Black Rat" and rub it under there arm-pits!

Nope wait a minute - Just wash your hands 20 times a day for 20 seconds - you'll remove all the protective oils from the skin of your hands - no mater how many time's you rub it in!

originally posted by: marikievansclkers

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: marikievansclkers

Because any one of us might end up in that small percentage,

Talk about absolute paranoia. I'm from South Africa buddy. TB, Malaria, Guns, HIV and much more are far more deadly and the world doesn't bat an eyelid. Now that all you americans with your nice things and your sheltered lives are affecte3d now suddenly we must pause the global economy. WHy don't we do that for hunger? Why don't we do that for HIV? Why don't we do that for war? Oh right because you rich people in first world countries were not directly affected by those things. They're the things you can ignore because they don't happen daily in your countries. HYPOCRITES!!!

You know ...

I'm not afraid for myself; I'm young enough I ought to beat it.

My point there is that with certain strategies, you are consciously consigning a certain percentage of people in any country over to death, and depending on which road you choose, that number increases because you won't have the available medical space to care for others who would otherwise have treatable medical conditions.

And it's a nasty death in the sense that they are going to be dying all at the same time, stacked on top of one another. They won't even have the standard comfort care because there will just be too many of them to care for all at once.

As much as possible, we haven't altered our daily routines, but we have taken precautions. We don't want to spread anything around.

And yes, I have vulnerable older relatives for whom I am worried. I'm not ready to lose my father to something that will likely be mild for most of the rest of us.

Also, let me be clear ...

We carry on with our lives as much as we can. I've been plain about that. I am still getting my morning coffee from my local shop. We still let our son play with some of his friends in the neighborhood so long as all the parents are on board and everyone is healthy. And he's still going to tae kwon do as long as they are holding practices which is, admittedly, day by day, and they expect to go to video lessons soon.

Husband does any of the errands we need run. Although I am going to my physical therapy sessions as normal.

I understand and accept what they're doing and why. My husband is a microbiologist and understand and accept what they're doing and why. In some places, they have gone way overboard. Kansas is freaking out, for example. But to ask people to try to stay home for a couple weeks or three is not necessarily unreasonable given what we know. The problem is that not everyone can really do that.