The Anti-Christian conspiracy

Originally posted by undo
saint4God,

that's such an incredible set of verses. essentially what he's saying is: this isn't about us, it's about Him.

Thank you, and you're so on point it's amazing! Well done.

Originally posted by karie
saint Yes, and this is what is to happen, for man to learn.

Aight, I understand. Good to see we're on the same page.

Originally posted by the_sentinal
this begs the question where exactly are we in time according god??

Okay, this is where I start my double talk. On one hand, the shnizzle that goes down in Revelation does not really seem to be in place. The few things I think that we're in the very very beginning stages are:

1.) Worldwide information and technology. This allows us to "see" all that goes on in a global scale. I believe this is going to be important to have because it will be a conduit for all to see when things really begin to happen in Revelation.

2.) Chip technology, credit cards, UPC, etc. We live in a world where you cannot sell (almost) anything without a UPC tag. That scan-code does have 3 6's but perhaps not a direction reflection of the mark. Couple that with not being able to buy something without it (right now it's in the credit card number stage) and implant that chip in the hand or forehand and voila! Now we have prophecy.

So, judging on this, I'd say we have anywhere between 50 and 3,000 years to go...as an estimate.

HOWEVER!

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24:36)

This is in relation to the change in times if you're interested in the whole chapter.

Alrighty, Christ gets to pat me on the shoulder and tell me "Nice try, but give up the fortune-telling." So, who are you going to listen to? Me (or anyone else here) who tries to tell the future and knows not, or Christ who knows the future and has already answered this question two thousand years ago?

Don't forget about Israel becoming a power if not superpower and the temple being rebuilt. Israel has become a state once again, and according to Rabbi Chaim Richman, a Temple Institute spokesman, there are detailed blueprints for a new temple to be built.

When the temple is rebuilt, the Jews will begin their sacrifices again, thus fulfilling even more prophesy.

There are several others that are close to happening, too. However, so far as I've come to understand, there is no timeline from these events taking place and the actual beginning of the Tribulation. As Christ said, be prepared, for we will not know the hour or the day, but he did give us signs to watch for.

Originally posted by karie
never was even baptised. I am what you would call a jack morman. Raised JW, baptised Morman, and then requested to be taking of their list. and they still refuse to do so.

Interesting. I've also heard from mormons who wanted to be on their list but were refused due to some sin....which I find interesting because, "...If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone..."

Originally posted by karie
I believe in Christ,

"I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life." (John 6:47) Look me up when we get there, maybe we can do lunch.

Originally posted by karie
but yet refuse to join any church, being called a fool is the worst, but a hyprocrite, has got to be worse than that.

Do you believe churches are filled with only people who have reached perfection? "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). That goes for everyone in those churches as well. If they deny this, what does it make them?

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Fear is NOT the answer.

Originally posted by the_sentinal
much of the problems in the church today are a result of the times we live in...
the bible has prophecies talking about an apostate church. we are witnessing parts of that apostacy occuring in the church today as a sign..

people don't want to believe that the forces of evil are at work in the world today.. as a result we see the continued erosion of values and morals ...

many of todays conspiracy theories seem to go hand in hand with prophecy's mentioned in the book of revelations in the bible...and other prophetic books in the bible...

this begs the question where exactly are we in time according god??

Fear is not the answer, that gets us "surviving."

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by the_sentinal
this begs the question where exactly are we in time according god??

Okay, this is where I start my double talk. On one hand, the shnizzle that goes down in Revelation does not really seem to be in place. The few things I think that we're in the very very beginning stages are:

1.) Worldwide information and technology. This allows us to "see" all that goes on in a global scale. I believe this is going to be important to have because it will be a conduit for all to see when things really begin to happen in Revelation.

2.) Chip technology, credit cards, UPC, etc. We live in a world where you cannot sell (almost) anything without a UPC tag. That scan-code does have 3 6's but perhaps not a direction reflection of the mark. Couple that with not being able to buy something without it (right now it's in the credit card number stage) and implant that chip in the hand or forehand and voila! Now we have prophecy.

So, judging on this, I'd say we have anywhere between 50 and 3,000 years to go...as an estimate.

HOWEVER!

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24:36)

This is in relation to the change in times if you're interested in the whole chapter.

Alrighty, Christ gets to pat me on the shoulder and tell me "Nice try, but give up the fortune-telling." So, who are you going to listen to? Me (or anyone else here) who tries to tell the future and knows not, or Christ who knows the future and has already answered this question two thousand years ago?

Fear of what the secular humanist nation of "Israel" DOES is not the answer, either.

Originally posted by junglejake
Don't forget about Israel becoming a power if not superpower and the temple being rebuilt. Israel has become a state once again, and according to Rabbi Chaim Richman, a Temple Institute spokesman, there are detailed blueprints for a new temple to be built.

When the temple is rebuilt, the Jews will begin their sacrifices again, thus fulfilling even more prophesy.

There are several others that are close to happening, too. However, so far as I've come to understand, there is no timeline from these events taking place and the actual beginning of the Tribulation. As Christ said, be prepared, for we will not know the hour or the day, but he did give us signs to watch for.

"FEAR of sin" is not the answer either.

REPENTANCE is the answer.

Who of us is sorry for the blood-guilt that Christian-USA has taken upon Herself? ?

THESE are the ones deserving of Mercy!

Chaiyah

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by karie
never was even baptised. I am what you would call a jack morman. Raised JW, baptised Morman, and then requested to be taking of their list. and they still refuse to do so.

Interesting. I've also heard from mormons who wanted to be on their list but were refused due to some sin....which I find interesting because, "...If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone..."

Originally posted by karie
I believe in Christ,

"I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life." (John 6:47) Look me up when we get there, maybe we can do lunch.

Originally posted by karie
but yet refuse to join any church, being called a fool is the worst, but a hyprocrite, has got to be worse than that.

Do you believe churches are filled with only people who have reached perfection? "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). That goes for everyone in those churches as well. If they deny this, what does it make them?

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Originally posted by chaiyah99
"FEAR of sin" is not the answer either.

REPENTANCE is the answer.

Yeah, I'm with ya on this chaiyah.

Originally posted by chaiyah99
Who of us is sorry for the blood-guilt that Christian-USA has taken upon Herself? ?

THESE are the ones deserving of Mercy!

Chaiyah

Huh?

What do you MEAN--"HUH!"

This so-called Christian nation has slaughtered 250,000 innocent Iraqis, poisoned the ground with radiation that the Iraqis walk on, poisoned, long-term, our own soldiers; done the same thing in Afghanistan and Kosovo!

What do you MEAN--"HUH?"

Americans are war-criminals! Americans trample LAW in the name of energy-profiteering!

You think YHVH was upset about the Law-less-ness of Israel? Isaiah chapter 58!

What about the Lawlessness of the British Colonies, that pretend they follow Jesus?

Did Jesus go on pre-emptive wars and annihilate whole populations?

Duh.

Originally posted by chaiyah99
"FEAR of sin" is not the answer either.

REPENTANCE is the answer.

And once you have repented, will the old woman who you hit with your car come back to life? Will the homeless child who is cold because your bank forclosed on her home have shelter?

Repentance is good to make yourself feel better, but won't do jack for the people who have been hurt by the "sin". I think the answer is in being good and doing good, and not relying on anyone but your own concept of good. That's where things get fuzzy.

Good point.

In the Law--the Holy Law of YHVH--restitution is paramount, not punishment.

I assembled and summarize the Law at

www.holyconservancy.org...

See Nos. 16-50 and 115-127. (It's my numbering system, so I can keep things organized in my own head.) This page was based on a listing of the 613 mitzvot that I helped myself to from a Hebrew public info site; which I consolidated, edited and organized as a memory aid.

"Making things right" is part of Justice, not merely handing out punishments and more misery. The current Supreme Court operates on "Rule of Law," not on "Justice." In fact, one SC Justice claimed, "Justice is what they say it is."

As if we didn't know that already?





Do you agree?

Originally posted by chaiyah99

What do you MEAN--"HUH!"

This so-called Christian nation

Since when is America a Christian nation? Ah yes, the same people who thunder, "Separation of church and state!" are now declaring U.S.A a theocracy. Pick one and stick with it so we can discuss.

Originally posted by chaiyah99
has slaughtered 250,000 innocent Iraqis, poisoned the ground with radiation that the Iraqis walk on, poisoned, long-term, our own soldiers; done the same thing in Afghanistan and Kosovo!

I gave no orders to this effect. In fact, no one here has even bothered to ask my opinion, now comes assertions based on assumptions? Wunderbar!

Originally posted by chaiyah99
What do you MEAN--"HUH?"

Americans are war-criminals! Americans trample LAW in the name of energy-profiteering!

Okay, I thought we were talking about Anti-Christians, but if you want to make it Anti-American, then I'm out of the discussion. I care not what flag waves over my head, though I'm grateful that it's one I can freely express my thoughts and work.

Originally posted by chaiyah99
You think YHVH was upset about the Law-less-ness of Israel? Isaiah chapter 58!

What about the Lawlessness of the British Colonies, that pretend they follow Jesus?

What?

Originally posted by chaiyah99
Did Jesus go on pre-emptive wars and annihilate whole populations?

No.

Originally posted by chaiyah99
Duh.

I'm sure there's some transitions of thought here somewhere. Please state them clearly so we all can follow along.

When I get upset, I'm a lousy writer.

Sorry.

Maybe I'll do better tomorrow ... with "better transitions."

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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
And once you have repented, will the old woman who you hit with your car come back to life? Will the homeless child who is cold because your bank forclosed on her home have shelter?

Nope.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Repentance is good to make yourself feel better, but won't do jack for the people who have been hurt by the "sin". I think the answer is in being good and doing good,

This here is a good point, and as James says you need both faith and works. One needs to turn from those old ways and work to make amends. Change is key. Confessing alone does not make a person complete.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
and not relying on anyone but your own concept of good. That's where things get fuzzy.

Relativism. Relying on your own concept of good assumes that we know what good is. On the contrary, you and I have a hard time even scratching the surface of what good is.

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone." (Mark 10:18 & Luke 18:19)

Originally posted by chaiyah99

When I get upset, I'm a lousy writer.

Sorry.

Maybe I'll do better tomorrow ... with "better transitions."

Apologies if it sounded negative, that wasn't the intent. I'm having a hard time following how things connect and am meaning to encourage explaining more where you're coming from. Also apologies if anything I said made you upset. Again, not the intent.

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Originally posted by saint4God
Apologies if it sounded negative, that wasn't the intent. I'm having a hard time following how things connect and am meaning to encourage explaining more where you're coming from. Also apologies if anything I said made you upset. Again, not the intent.

I think what he was trying to put across was 'George Bush' a Christian, of a predominantly Christian faith based population, sent troops to 'kill'. What happened to 'shalt not kill'... 'love your enemy'... and so on? It doesn't count for Christians so long as you're the leader of a country and don't like your enemy?

Originally posted by shaunybaby
I think what he was trying to put across was 'George Bush' a Christian, of a predominantly Christian faith based population, sent troops to 'kill'. What happened to 'shalt not kill'... 'love your enemy'... and so on?

Thanks shauny. That's a good question...one I'd love to ask George Bush and those who call themselves "Christian" that ordered an attack.

Originally posted by shaunybaby
It doesn't count for Christians so long as you're the leader of a country and don't like your enemy?

I don't see anywere in the Book where Christ makes a distinction of social status or government.

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Originally posted by saint4God
Thanks shauny. That's a good question...one I'd love to ask George Bush and those who call themselves "Christian" that ordered an attack.

There was a story in England, of a relative of someone who died in 7/7 and she was a minister/bishop/vicar of somesort and she left the church as she couldn't forgive the people who took away her relative.

Maybe it's a lot harder to forgive for the deaths of 3000+ people. However, does 1000+ dead American soldiers, 100+ dead British soldiers and god knows how many dead Iraqi soldiers and god knows how many innocent dead Iraqi civilians really make up for 9/11? Is that our solution to terrorism? More death... hardly a 'solution'.

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