The Anti-Christian conspiracy

Shauny, I have to tell you I agree with most of what you are saying. I was raised JW, and ever since I can remember I was always telling my mother that she is hiding behind the skirts of religion. The one thing I didn't agree is that,and forgive me if it wasn't you, you mentioned that all bibles aren't the same. I believe they infact are. Greek mythology is consider terrible wrong. It is from pagen beliefs, but I find that a lot of the stories are close to the same stories in the Bible and even in stories of Budah type religion. I have always felt that the conscpicaries are getting every one to fight against each other, whose goverments are better, who is the real christian, who is the real God. I asked once if anyone has condisered the fact that christians themselves are not the cause of Anti-Christianity. No response. Here is another question, being raised christians has always confused me. If God is Jesus and Jesus is God, then how can Satan, who is usually referred to as Jesus brother, not also be God himself. Now being raised the way I was, claiming to be christian, How is I am not afraid to think outside the Christian box?

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

You're right. That's why my take on the anti-Christian conspiracy is actually an anti-sheeple conspiracy. Anyone who is willing to be controlled will be controlled. The conspiracy is against anyone who is willing to give up their own point of view for someone else's.

And, who doesn't do this? Eventually, you decide you believe something you've read or heard, or you don't. Pagans decide, atheists decide, agnostics decide, jews decide and so on. Everyone reaches a point where they decide, based on the available evidence at their disposal. This means they reach a place where they take the word of someone or many someones, in essence becoming the sheep of the mindset they find most enlightening or true.

and these are the ones that are being led blindly. God warns of false prohpets but the sheep believe what they hear. not what is true. you can't find God in books, the only evidience you need is right in front of you.

One thing, probably the most important, is that I don't trust the words of man or what is written by man. I trust, what is in my heart. I can't get that from any book, or so far any man.

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karie said,
How is I am not afraid to think outside the Christian box?

Thank you. That's one of my points, as well.
We are all individuals. No two christian people will have the exact same beliefs as regards the bible and God, which is true about everything else in life. Stereotyping is an example of one belief system trying to get the upperhand over another by insisting all people in that belief system are easily categorized in some fashion, that is, they are less than "evolved" or less than "intelligent," in need of crutches and etc. The list is getting pretty long these days.

Originally posted by karie
and these are the ones that are being led blindly. God warns of false prohpets but the sheep believe what they hear. not what is true. you can't find God in books, the only evidience you need is right in front of you.

One thing, probably the most important, is that I don't trust the words of man or what is written by man. I trust, what is in my heart. I can't get that from any book, or so far any man.

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I disagree, to some extent. Firstly, because it insinuates that every person with belief is inherently stupid. This is simply not the case. You make decisions every day based on your personal beliefs. This is no different. Sure some folks don't read past the first paragraph before they sign the dotted line, but there are just as many, if not more, who read the whole thing, and everything related to it, and they pray about it, ruminate on it, ponder its implications, and so on.

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Thank You as well, I have been coming back to this discussing off and on for about a year and that is what I having been trying to say. I have always had a lot question, and there is either not a answer or people are afraid to answer. Especially those of Christian faith. These forum talks of conspiracry, yet no one seems to reconginze the conspiracies among themselves. One thing I have learned that Chritian faith is the most to cause seperation than anyother. But Yet right there in their own bible, in Jude we are warned of those that cause seperation.

well I don't see that makes us stupid, ecpecially inheriting this. We are all born with a brain that is capable then more than that. Inheritiance of a gene is only an excuse to change something we can't. The mind is more powerful than any sort thing. The Heart can even be more powerful. I don't make my decsions in life according to what I was taught, heard, or read, or even belief. I go with what I feel, and that has put into more trouble then if I just would have listen to what I apparently beleive.

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Originally posted by karie
Here is another question, being raised christians has always confused me. If God is Jesus and Jesus is God, then how can Satan, who is usually referred to as Jesus brother, not also be God himself.

Where is it referred that Satan is Jesus' brother? This is the first I've ever heard of it.

Now being raised the way I was, claiming to be christian, How is I am not afraid to think outside the Christian box?

No doubt the theory is very creative, but looks like an assumption that Christians do not ponder, have questions, nor seek answers. In fact, there are many questions. Some with answers, others without. Fortunately for me, the questions people have raised here in this corner of ATS have generally had answers.

karie,

well, if the scriptures are true about spiritual warfare, you can well imagine the first place the battles would begin would be inside the church buildings. not because the people are inherently wishing this upon themselves but because the war is a serious one. i think the fact there are so many different types of churches, is actually a good thing, because people are all so very different. for example, i've attended charismatic, fundamentalist, scholarly, catholic and mormon church services, and each case, the setting was dramatically different. in the charismatic church, the people were more like hippies: they hugged each other and focused alot on love and happiness. the fundamentalist church was more about reminding you why you need God in the first place. the scholarly church was about learning the details of the bible and the past, in every conceiveable way, the catholic was about the majesty of God reflected in the building and attire, and the mormon was about the glory of man, as given to him by God. All completely different approaches.

Well I got to say your the first person to tell me that He wasn't satan brother and tell honstely tell ya I never read that one. That is something I learned. But was never sure of. Most of the christians here in the western states teach that. This is one of the teachings I was always concerned about. This I believe is a conspicarcy.

i don't think that satan is jesus brother ........i think that got started from ethier the mormons or the jehovahs wittnesses
anyway it's preposterous to think that they are brothers ......

a house divided against itself cannot stand ......is what the bible says

Originally posted by karie
One thing I have learned that Chritian faith is the most to cause seperation than anyother.

Correct. From the laws in Leviticus to Christ himself, there was to be separation:

"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law." (Luke 12:49-53)

Notice he says "From now on". That includes today. And of course there's Paul, servant of God and student of Christ, who says:

"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people." (2 Corinthians 6:14-16)

"Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you." (2 Corinthians 6:17)

But Yet right there in their own bible, in Jude we are warned of those that cause seperation.

In Jude, like Paul, it was talking about separation among believers. Here's Paul's likewise commentary:

"I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ."
Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power." (1 Corinthians 1:10)



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saint4God,

that's such an incredible set of verses. essentially what he's saying is: this isn't about us, it's about Him.

i do think that their is a anti-christian conspiracy though it's called the spirit of antichrist ..........

UNDO, Yes I agree that fight starts in the church, I believe in getting to your enemy before the fight, one thing I have learned with evil is that it is going to get as many as it can to the opposite, to bow to its side. What better place then a place that teaches, or worships the opposite of evil but churches. And YES! very serious war, man can not win on his own, he his human, humans have proven to be to selfish for this war, at least on their own. And yes it is a very good thing, this is the only way man cn learn or even begin to understand. (by the way, one thing man needs to learn is that he is not in control).. listen to what each little thing, different and same in life, rather it is a church of christ, the hippies or even islams. Jesus teaches the same. Glory of your God, respect of God, Love of your God. Give me one religion who claims to believe different, but in the end doesn't want the same.

senitail, that is a trip that you say that, growing up in utah, born wittness exposed to mormans. That is probably where I got that.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.....Yea the bible says that to warn you. What do you think He is trying to teach us here.

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saint Yes, and this is what is to happen, for man to learn.

and undo, this isn't about us it is about Him, YES

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just like the other guy said about "what fellowship has light with the dark"

i think that satan and jesus being brothers is kinda lame because the bible calls satan the anointed cherub.......a cherub being a created being ...........

but Jesus said " I was from the the beginning"

from the beginning meaning that "before the world was (I AM)"

Yes, Jesus claims that He is The I Am, the alfa the omega, the beginning the end. There is a book called Remember, Be Here Now, They pray to the one that is I AM.