The Anti-Christian conspiracy

Lordling,

You've brought up a few points that would make this thread go irredeemably out of context. I'd respond, but don't wish to turn this into an attempt to explain why I believe what I believe. Rather, I'll point out that you've bought the anti-christian line, that christian people as a whole, must behave in a prescribed manner in order for the words they read and try to live by, to be legitimate. The problem is, there's no way to determine if a person is actually a christian or not, other than by their "Fruit", which may or may not always be on the tree at any given point in their lives. Today I might bare a great deal of fruit and tomorrow, I may not. If you only saw me during a bad day, you would think I wasn't a christian because my fruit wasn't apparent.

And here's the real clincher: If you see anyone you don't agree with, doing something that you also disagree with, you will remember that before anything they might do that you actually agree with because it's human nature to recall only the negatives when the topic is something you disagree with.

Another aspect that I think belies a certain level of anti-christian conspiracy is the public school system. Usage of the name of a particular group of people, who are in reality, of various different outlooks, to define crimes against humanity, is a common tact when trying to eradicate a belief system. For example, usage of the words "muslim" and "terrorist," are attempts to paint all muslims as terrorists. Usage of the words "pagan" and "satanist" are attempts to paint all pagans as satanists. Etc. Although the details of such things could be argued, either for or against it, the reality is, that there are people within both of those groups who don't even remotely fit the moniquers they are or have been whitewashed with. This is true of christianity as well.

"Christians" did not rob the central, north and south americans of their religion, gold and ancient texts, but powerful men did. Whether those men were actually practicing the beliefs of the bible at the time the events transpired, is another subject altogether. "Christians" did not burn or drown witches, but powerful men did. "Christians" did not inflict the Inquisition on people, but powerful men did. The common theme is "powerful men." According to the bible, the leaders of nations, the powerful men, are infested with the spirit of antichrist. Satan is currently in ownership of this planet. Why would it say this? Because if you read Jesus' words, they don't even remotely resemble what the nations leaders have done, whether in the name of God or not in the name of God.

Think about what the early christians did. They willingly gave themselves over to be slaughtered in the arenas of Rome because they took Jesus literally, when He said to pick up their crosses and follow Him. They didn't take up swords against one another. And when they did, it was a matter of disobeying Jesus' teachings, which were clearly more like Ghandi's teachings of peace, forgiveness and love, and alot less like the Caesars and Popes of the Pagan and "Holy" Roman Empires, who felt war in the name of God was perfectly legitimate. What did Jesus say? To forgive, to turn the other cheek, to obey the laws of the land, to be charitable, but never to murder another human being. As a result, the christians were lead into the arena and given swords and other weapons, and told to kill one another. Whoever killed his brother in Christ, would be set free. Of course, the romans frequently ended up having to do the killing themselves because the christians would both just stand there and refuse to kill one another.

This began to have a profound effect on the romans and Constantine saw it for what it was: A real, instead of perceived threat to the continued livelihood of the Caesars. So he usurped christianity, remade it in the image of the Caesars, and enforced it upon everyone - business as usual. This is what is in our history books: the behavior of the Caesars/Popes (et.al, the god Emperors) and not the behavior of the christians.



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Originally posted by undo
Lordling,

You've brought up a few points that would make this thread go irredeemably out of context. I'd respond, but don't wish to turn this into an attempt to explain why I believe what I believe.

The original question was "Why are so many people soo anti christian?"

One cannot examine a rock and say with any reasonable measure of accuracy, that one therefore knows the mountain. An explanation of the perception (or lack thereof, for some) that a conspiracy exists, must be based upon a multi-faceted examination of the issue. Many causes & effects contribute to any one observation. A single point of question cannot be intelligently discussed without analyzing the entire foundation.

Originally posted by undo
Rather, I'll point out that you've bought the anti-christian line, that christian people as a whole, must behave in a prescribed manner in order for the words they read and try to live by, to be legitimate.

I've bought nothing, my friend. That is precisely the point. I am against organised religion, but it seems that it doesn't take a great deal to set off the persecution complex. I expect the same behavior from one who professes Christianity, as I would from any other decent human being. Nothing more, nothing less. Neither do I work for the USDA, so your "fruit" is of no interest to me.

Originally posted by undo
And here's the real clincher: If you see anyone you don't agree with, doing something that you also disagree with, you will remember that before anything they might do that you actually agree with because it's human nature to recall only the negatives when the topic is something you disagree with.

Yes, I'm well aware of that concept, but note that the reverse is true also. Consider, as well, that the reason that one may dislike this individual is due to the fact that they are consistently witnessed performing acts which are disagreeable in nature. How many individuals do you personally know that would force themselves to praise behavior that they considered to be reprehensible?

Originally posted by Lordling
A single point of question cannot be intelligently discussed without analyzing the entire foundation.

I agree, but we can't analyze the entire foundation here, without taking the thread off topic.

it seems that it doesn't take a great deal to set off the persecution complex.

Oh if you only knew the half of it.

I expect the same behavior from one who professes Christianity, as I would from any other decent human being.

And do you provide allowances for mistakes with other decent human beings? Do you allow them to get mad on occassion? Do you allow them to make poor choices on occassion? Can their house get dirty on occassion? Or are you stating that this lack of being a decent human being is simply a christian problem? That only christians get mad and make mistakes on occassion? Only christians are confusing. Only christian beliefs (well you did toss in islam, that was generous of you) are this kinda bad and that kinda bad, and so many kinds of bad, I think I've lost track.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Oh it's just a crystal. But if you turn it this way and look into it, it will show you your dreams.

Neither do I work for the USDA, so your "fruit" is of no interest to me.

Oy vey.

Yes, I'm well aware of that concept, but note that the reverse is true also. Consider, as well, that the reason that one may dislike this individual is due to the fact that they are consistently witnessed performing acts which are disagreeable in nature. How many individuals do you personally know that would force themselves to praise behavior that they considered to be reprehensible?

What, pray tell, is this magical disagreeable act, that all christians everywhere, are equally inflicted with it, simultaneously, and yet, no one else on the planet (well, with the exception of muslims and jews) seems to have a similar malady?


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Originally posted by undo
I asked shaunybaby if he "needed sex". It was a lead up to a refutation of his belief that christians need and use God as a crutch. I was going to establish that physical requirements, such as sex and food, are no different . Apparently, it sounded as if I were accusing him of being uptight and therefore in need of sex, which was not where I was going with the question.

It wasn't me who gave you the warning, it came across in a certain way the mods didn't like. However, I understand where you were coming from, maybe you should have elaborated in the post to make sure it didn't come across merely as 'shaun...do you need sex'?

Any mods reading this... you can take his warning off now... pleeeeaasse

I found it funny tbh. I don't take much to heart on this forum. I'm not sure a warn was neccesary, I doubt you deliberatly attack people on their sexual preferences, or any other preference.

Originally posted by undo
Personally, I'm pretty much fed up with all the accusations:

1. Christians are weak-minded.
2. Christians are projecting God unto a blank canvas.
3. Christians are idiots.
4. Christians lack in intelligence quotient.
5. Christians are insane.
6. Christians are sheeple.
7. All christians burned witches in Salem, killed everyone in the Inquistion and agreed with the War in Iraq.
8. Christians want to hold back all marches towards technology.
9. Christians are the primary reason there's no disclosure on the UFO question.

Stereotypes can be a pain, but we wouldn't have them if they weren't true to a certain extent. The classic 'blonde girl'...normally dumb. Not all blonde people are therefore dumb, nor does dying your hair make you dumb. It's just an expression that's come about over time, because a few blondes have made it in the limelight for their stupidity.

The same can be said for gay people. The classic stereotype would be 'very camp, gay jeans, gay shirt, gay hair, talks a bit gay, maybe carries around a small dog a bit like parris hilton's dog'. What's 'gay jeans'? I don't know...jeans that gay peole wear I guess. The wierd thing about gay people is, they have the ironic love for all things feminine. From my experience with gay people... 'no not in that way'... just talking etc, I've found that the stereotype very often fits.

Sure stereotypes in any fasion, should be considered predjudice, however in many, and perhaps in the majority of cases, they are normally spot on.

Those accusations of Christians may not be true for 'all'. However, for some it may be the case. I've seen people blindly follow something, and not neccesarily Christianity. People blindly follow anything these days, as long as it's 'popular'. This pop culture of the 21st century, has some people chasing lifestyles they can't afford. This is why many are in so much debt. Not because they got screwed on their mortgage, but because they've spent too much bloody money on things they don't need, and only bought because they saw it in a magazine being advertised by some famous celebrity.

I'd say these people are 'idiots' and 'weak-minded' to be able to follow so blindly, without being able to see the forrest through the trees.

In the same sense that a person can follow a lifestyle advertised in a magazine, a Christian can follow a lifestyle advertised in the bible. I believe that is all the bible is. It's an advertisement, it's a Christian's pension plan for when they die. The people selling this do hook line n sinker people in, it's almost like a business these days, trying to out-do the church down the road.

wow...what indepth stuff, i've only just woke up.

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How then do you explain christians who are still christians and don't follow your stereotype, of which there are many? You only believe in the christian stereotype you've been taught to believe exists, by the TV, the public school system, and people who believe in something other than christianity.

I went to public college to be a doctor of natural medicine. I was on the dean's list and president's list. I almost had my bachelor's degree, when my mom became very ill and I had to drop out to take care of her. My favorite classes were humanities, anatomy and physiology, and world religions. I had 2 years of spanish and a year and a half of sign language. I'm also blonde and a christian. How do you, scientifically, account for the fact I'm a blonde christian who has at least part of a brain? I don't think I'm breaking some mold here.

Perhaps you're just teasin' me, eh?

Originally posted by undo
How then do you explain christians who are still christians and don't follow your stereotype, of which there are many? You only believe in the christian stereotype you've been taught to believe exists, by the TV, the public school system, and people who believe in something other than christianity.

Like I said before, not every christian will fit the stereotype. I've witnessed the stereotypes and seen them with my own eyes, I don't need TV to and public school to show me them.

I went to public college to be a doctor of natural medicine. I was on the dean's list and president's list. I almost had my bachelor's degree, when my mom became very ill and I had to drop out to take care of her. My favorite classes were humanities, anatomy and physiology, and world religions. I had 2 years of spanish and a year and a half of sign language. I'm also blonde and a christian. How do you, scientifically, account for the fact I'm a blonde christian who has at least part of a brain? I don't think I'm breaking some mold here.

Like I said, they're stereotypes... they're not going to be universal.

Originally posted by Undo
I agree, but we can't analyze the entire foundation here, without taking the thread off topic.

I disagree. I merely elaborated a bit in order to reintroduce myself in regard to this topic from which I have been absent for several months. Have you read the entire thread, by the way? I recommend, also, reading it's companions:

The Absolute Power of Christianity
The Anti-Non-Christian Conspiracy
Interesting information on the "Christianity is a copy of Pagan Myths" Theory

I am relatively confident that this topic cannot be adequately discussed without analyzing the publicly perceived character, behavior, and philosophy of those individuals who consider themselves to be the very Christians which are the subject of this topic. If any moderator considers this approach to be 'off topic', I'm sure I will be notified.

Originally posted by Undo
Oh if you only knew the half of it.

I would honestly love to hear about it, but somehow, I foresee that the problem will end up being your responsibility, and not due to your religious affiliation.

Originally posted by Undo
And do you provide allowances for mistakes with other decent human beings? Do you allow them to get mad on occassion? Do you allow them to make poor choices on occassion? Can their house get dirty on occassion? Or are you stating that this lack of being a decent human being is simply a christian problem? That only christians get mad and make mistakes on occassion? Only christians are confusing. Only christian beliefs (well you did toss in islam, that was generous of you) are this kinda bad and that kinda bad, and so many kinds of bad, I think I've lost track.

I do not believe that, in my posting, I addressed any of the human behavioral/domestic characteristics which you have referenced above. These are common to all humans (as well as most animals). I only pointed out, if you would be so kind as to refer back to my text, issues of consistent behavior which pertain directly to the individual's approach to embraced doctrine (with the exception, possibly, of "blatant hypocrisy", but then again, I didn't specify any details). Neither have I made the other claims you have stated. I did not "toss in Islam"; rather I specifically included it due to it's foundational relation in regard to Judaism and inherently the Judeo-Christian family of religions.

Originally posted by Undo
Oh it's just a crystal. But if you turn it this way and look into it, it will show you your dreams.

Forgive me, but I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Undo
What, pray tell, is this magical disagreeable act, that all christians everywhere, are equally inflicted with it, simultaneously, and yet, no one else on the planet (well, with the exception of muslims and jews) seems to have a similar malady?

Do you think it is possible that, through the filter of perceived persecution, you have misconstrued the meaning of nearly all of my statements? The alliteration was figurative. This approach is often used when discussing philosophical concepts. I did not state that there was a specific act or set of acts, which I consider to reprehensible, and which I have personally witnessed verified, known "Christians" (or any other devotee) performing. The statement and subsequent question, which were a proposed supposition to illustrate a point of moral perception, were addressed, by you, only with another question. In addition to this, one of your initial statements was a bit of confusing circle type logic:

Originally posted by undo
And here's the real clincher: If you see anyone you don't agree with

I'm not sure why one would initially disagree with this person....Are you insinuating that they are disliked instantly because they are, ummm...."Christian" or what? This implies a certain level of inherent knowledge & familiarity with the person.

, doing something that you also disagree with

Such as?...Armed robbery? Murder? Incest?

, you will remember that before anything they might do that you actually agree with because it's human nature to recall only the negatives when the topic is something you disagree with.

So, for clarification, you're saying here, (for example) that even if someone known to be bad (which I disagree with), does something really good (which I agree with) then I will still be inclined to recall only their negative behavior? That's preposterous. You are stating that objectivity is impossible, if one has an opinion on an issue. I evaluate individuals, primarily, based on their actions, not their philosophy. It is the impact, which that philosophy and/or mindset of their accepted doctrine, has on their actions that concerns me.

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Lordling,

So you are saying the jewish, christian and islamic religions are a problem, in your estimation? I want to be clear on your meaning. And do you feel this problem extends to hinduism, buddhism, communism, etc, or just to the jewish, chistian and islamic religions (et.al, the main monotheist religions)?

As far as the pagan copycat thing: Most of that is not talking about christianity, as outlined in the bible, but rather Roman Catholic traditions, which are not in the bible and have nothing to do with christianity. Those are pagan traditions absorbed by the catholic church and modified to fit into the catholic belief system, to assist in acclimating the pagan cultures. What you end up with is a mish-mash of cultural traditions. Catholicism isn't christianity in the normal sense of the word; it's pope worship, a carry-on of Caesar worship, with a bunch of pagan traditions, sugar-coated for consumption.

Had some JWs come to my door todsay to do their little recruiting rounds.

'Hi, do you believe in the Good Book called the Bible'... 'ummm no not really'. 'Would you be interested in finding out more about the bible and our good lord in heaven'... 'ummmmm no not really'.

I mean do these people really turn anyone around. Does someone answer there door and go 'actually I was thinking about it, but now you've come round, I really want to read the bible and be JW too'.

There's a church in my village, but I wasn't aware we had JWs. Maybe they're from another town or village and they're recruiting outside the parish.

I'm not one to tell em to ****off and I also found it very hard not to laugh, sometimes covering it up as much as I could with a smile.

I would not want to believe in the bible and be at all associated with those sort of people. Sure, maybe they think what they are doing is good.

Finally asking 'If we left these leaflets here, would you read them'... 'ummm yeah cheers, I could do with a laugh'.

Ever notice how they always come in twos? That's known as the Noah's Ark effect.

Originally posted by the_sentinal
i don't think that satan is jesus brother ........i think that got started from ethier the mormons or the jehovahs wittnesses
anyway it's preposterous to think that they are brothers ......

a house divided against itself cannot stand ......is what the bible says

I do agree that they got started from all or at least most of christianity. Possibly the mormons. They were around before JWs. But however, that is one of the things that God and Jesus, and many other types of religions teach, or warned us of. Christianity is the one, I see that is mostly divided against each other. I don't trust everything the bible says, however, studying other religions and not being afraid to step outside the box, I have learned that this warning is not only taught by christianity. But in LIFE itself.

Originally posted by the_sentinal
do you still believe this or do you believe something different now

YES, I believe that completely cause not only blief in God, but LIFE itself has showed me , taught me, whatever>>>

.....is the pretending that every Christian scribe and scholar of any note, until the latter part of the 20th century, admitted and agreed that The Church Age Ends in APOSTASY - and so here we are in the midst of it www.apostasynow.com on line since 1992

Originally posted by shaunybaby
Had some JWs come to my door todsay to do their little recruiting rounds.
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I mean do these people really turn anyone around. Does someone answer there door and go 'actually I was thinking about it, but now you've come round, I really want to read the bible and be JW too'.

Yes, they do turn people to their side, but only weak and emotionally distraught people. That's why they recruit door to dor, because you won't find weak people unless you really get aggressive. Of course the JWs at your door think they are helping you. They are brainwashed to see it as like they are pulling you off the train tracks, so to speak. But then, if you say no, they'll shrug and see you as just another doomed "fake Christian".

The JWs are a psuedo-Hebrew-Zionist-goyim church of obedient non-jews. The JW religion is the template for world religion. Their main focus is to talk about the Hebrew God YHWH, and to emphasize (repeatedly) that Jesus is not God in any way whatsoever, and that's the primary difference with JWs. Hebrews believe no man is like God, and so that includes Jesus, so the psuedo-Hebrew religion for non-jews (Jehovah's Witnesses) must make the non-deity of Jesus their primary issue. That's why they changed John 1:1 to read "a god" not "God".

IMO, the JWs represent what Christianity was really about anyway: Judaism repackaged. If the people behind this religion have their way, when all the laughs are over, Jesus will be de-emphasized like in the JW church, and it'll be the fire-breathing, unmerciful Hebrew God who rules all of Earth (what's left, I mean) via Zionist codified law and a full-on Global Fascist Theocracy.

As to the original question, why are so many people against Christianity, I have not seen this to be the case.

What I have seen are people saying what they believe, and stating how they do not believe what Christians claim as truth.

Now this is by far being against something. Just because people disagree and even prove with their arguments, from their standpoint, why they think various topics of Chrisitanity are invalid, does not mean there is this conspiracy of them being against you. (it appears that Christians, some, are ultra sensative to peoples comments.)

I have also seen paranormal forum bombarded by a certain Christian individuals post.
This person is proactively posting in a forum, that by nature is against their Christian beliefs, and therefore can be viewed as trying to stir things up. (Which has been the case, as people in the forums have been trying to learn about certain topics, such as magic, but they get someone coming in telling them why this is evil.)

So, my point is, I have not necessarily seen people proactively trying to change and convert Christians to the pagan belief, but I have seen Christians trying to change and convert people to their view of reality.

Now it is fine to state what you believe. But in the above case scenerio, to actively go into a forum that you know is against your belief system and to continually push your point of view, just seems a bit...pushy.

I personally would love to see Christians study more of Judaism and perhaps they would see things a bit clearer in their own religion. (After all Christianity is a derivative from Judaism.)
Topics such as Reincarnation, which is hinted at in the New Testament, the topic of hell (which catholics are more in line with the Jewish teaching when they discuss purgatory, than Christians are with the concept of eternal punishment.)

Visit a shul, talk to a rabbi, go to a chabad house...dont debate...try to be open, and you may learn something. (Might not change your core belief, but you may find out something that will make your own experience richer.)

Gods peace

dalen

dAlen,

Quite a few christians know alot about judaism, for the obvious reasons.

Personally, I don't follow the catholic -based Sabbath, although I use to. I honor the Sabbath on Saturday, although I don't observe most of the traditions of judaism, I do rest on Saturday's and read from the scriptures. The only problem I'm encountering, as a mother and wife, is how to keep things prepared in advance, such as food. Kids don't always agree on the menu. lol One of my kids is a vegetarian and another is extremely picky about food.

As far as people perpetuating their belief systems, such as christians trying to convert people: this is not unusual. Every person who shares with another, his/her viewpoint and opinions on topics, is essentially, attempting to convert others to his/her way of thinking. I think where you are finding problems is separating the difference between a person who actually believes in and tries to follow Jesus' teachings, and a person who follows the papal-babylonian imperial system of beliefs (two different things, so different in fact, at times they don't resemble each other at all).



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Every person who shares with another, his/her viewpoint and opinions on topics, is essentially, attempting to convert others to his/her way of thinking.

THis is usually very true, but there are some people who will tell you because you ask. They don't expect you to believe what they do because they realize that the belief of the individual is their own. I'm working towards it right now, but so many people are so WRONG!! I believe in the everlasting sould being reincarnated into various forms, growing with each incarnation. What you or I believe now won't be the same as what we believe in the next life. No need to argue, we're all in the same boat.
(and yes, I realize what I said does sound like an attempt to convince you that my beliefs are right, but i don't know how else to state my beliefs without them coming accross like I think I'm right.)

I apologize for the delay between parts 3 and 4. I lost the flash drive I had everything on, and had to redo it. Naturally, when that happened, life got in the way, too Solch ist leben. I more than likely have changed my focus for the next 4 parts as opposed to that which I originally had. If I miss something you wanted me to cover in these 7 evidences, send me a U2U. Ask and you shall receive

The geographical evidence for the Bible is interesting, in that it is deeper than one may expect. The geographical evidence as described in Luke, who gives places and names, can be tracked in the maps that most Bibles have in them. Instead of going through the path that Jesus walked, we’re going to examine the actual lessons he taught, and how they applied so fluidly to the geographical location in which he held the sermon.

For example, in Luke 7, Jesus raised a widow’s dead son in the town of Nain. This was remarkable for the people involved, I’m sure, especially the widow and her son. However, this isn’t the first time that someone has risen from the dead in this location! This is the same place in which Elisha brought back the son of a Shunemite woman. This is why the population reacted by saying, “A great prophet has appeared among us!” (Luke 7:16). The people there knew what had happened in Elisha’s time, and seeing Christ do the same served to show them His divinity (they went on to say, “God has come to help His people” in the same verse).

A big problem people find with the Gospel’s geographic account is the mention of the town of Nazareth. The primary reason for this is that Nazareth is not mentioned in Josephus’ list of cities. This was considered damning evidence against the legitimacy of the gospel account until there was a discovery of 23 tombs that are believed to be a first-century cemetery for the entire town. This explains, too, why Nathanael said in John 1:46, “Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?” It was a nothing town, who would expect the King of Kings to come from this nothing town? But wait, it gets better.
Nazareth is on a ridge overlooking Jezreel Valley, also known as the Plain of Megiddo or Armageddon. Over 250 battles in history have been fought in this valley, as there are 7 paths into this valley, making it an ideal battlefield. John McDowell points out that,

“It is ironic and yet typical of the way God often works, that the one called “the Prince of Peace” should grow up looking out over “the battleground of history”.

(McDowell, John. A Ready Defense. Nashville: Thomas Nelson, Inc. 1993)

Luke 4:29 also mentions this cliff when he writes,

They rose up and cast Him out of the city, and led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city had been built, in order to throw Him down the cliff

It is highly unlikely that people who were not very familiar with the geography of the area would be so adept at making such relevant lessons to the geography where He delivered the sermon. While the Jews tended to be more educated than most (it was common for each Jew to write their own copy of the Torah), paper was expensive and not readily available. As such, they had an oral tradition where things were memorized and passed along by word of mouth. By Christ incorporating the local geography with his sermon, as well as the metered statements He made (in the Greek), He made His sayings far more easily memorizable.
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As another example, Matthew 5:14 states,

You are the light of the world; a city set on the hill cannot be hidden

This was said at Capernaum, a city on the sea of Galilee. Directly opposite was the city of Hippus, the biggest city visible from Capernaum, and did not sit by the sea, but instead on a hill. There were several cities up on hills along the shoreline, and at night their lights were visible. Just think, every time the disciples passed a view of one of these, they probably remembered the words Jesus spoke to them.

Then, of course, there’s the pool of Bethesda, which, about 100 years ago, was discovered in an archaeological dig. It was exactly as John described it, yet Jerusalem was sacked in 70 AD.

All of this, these small little nuances could not be known in the detail in which they’re presented several hundred years after the event took place. The detail is too intricate, and everything about the gospels is saying first century, not third or fourth. This is why you discover the Gnostic gospels don’t contain the detail, just supposed sayings and conversations. There’s nothing backing their accounts because the people that wrote the Gnostic accounts did not live through Christ’s time, and could not compete on a factual basis with the synoptics or the Gospel of John.

If you say Jesus could bring people back from the dead, heal blind people, people with diseases, feed 5000 people with a few loaves of bread and fish... why was he then crucified for being a false prophet and preeching blasphemy as he said he was the son of god, hence blasphemy in Jewish eyes.

The fact is that there was never any proof of Jesus' miracles at that time, it was at best word of mouth, and even then they're not neccesarily true. Jesus may have been preaching, but people could easily spread lies about his so called miracles. That's why when people asked him 'raise this body from the dead, that's burried in the ground', he couldn't do it, because he could not perform miracles. The only miracles were that professed and conjured up by local people who tried to make him in to something he was not.

These stories were carried on and thus we have the Jesus Christ that we're all used to. Who cares if the bible is geologically correct? What does that have to do with anything. The only thing that tells us is that people knew where in the world they are, and wrote about it... wow, what conclusive evidence that the bible really is devinely inspired by god.

the Bible says to make every man a liar but the word of God truth. so, what everyone needs to do is pray ask God for wisdom and understanding of His word. then we as christains learn how to apply it to our lives. God is not the author of confusion. so, if you are confused that is certainly because the devil wants you that way so you can't see the truth. the most important things here is to repent, be obedient to Christ, and serve Him to the best of your ability, and last of all, don't judge. because the Bible says judge not lest you be judge. so we have to be careful. wise as serpents but harmless as doves