How Does ATS Feel About This Sanders Medicare Plan

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

To make it sound that there are no real costs involved is disingenuous. I'm sure everyone would love it if things didn't cost what they do. Just be honest with how much it will cost and how it will be paid. If the math is fuzzy on something as big as Healthcare, then I have doubts. Wasn't the ACA supposed to be great? None of my clients who have it, seem to like paying what they have.

Healthcare reform is something BOTH Dems and Repubs need to work together on. Not holding my breath on that.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: shooterbrody

If the universal healthcare model doesn't work, why are countries like France and Japan consistently ranked as the best healthcare in the world by the WHO and the US is down with countries like Iran?

For the same reason that the WHO's prerogative in the face of this corona virus is to protect international trade, not try to actually ensure the health of the body public.

Chew on that.

a reply to: underwerks

"Without reading"?

Well, there's your problem.

a reply to: underwerks

I don't think anyone believes it won't work it's just we don't believe that Bernie's numbers are anything but fantasy.
All those developed countries you are referring too pay a hell of a lot more taxes than we do.

"Work" is subjective...
Yeah it might work but is it better?

a reply to: ketsuko

And yet we can look at other metrics that corroborate the WHO's stance. If universal healthcare is such a failure why do those countries that have it tend to have a higher life expectancy and rank higher in quality of life?

a reply to: Bluntone22

When we have insurance companies and politicians recommending GoFundMe as a legitimate way to pay for healthcare, I don't see how it can't be better.

A key component of "universal healthcare" is rationing of care. It's the only way it's remotely workable. I don't want some board of bureaucrats deciding who gets treatment and who doesn't.
You're also going to have a difficult time convincing millions of Americans to ditch their private insurance, in exchange for something purely govt run.

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
People like unicorns too. Bernio is putting the cart before the horse. Its idiotic to think a bunch of politicians with conflict of interest will address healthcare. This thing would get bastardized faster than a biden can sneak a sniff. You will end up paying 400 times the amount with less benefits.

^ This - just this ^

People need to STFU about having govt fix anything but minimizing conflict of interest first.

Thank you...

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: shooterbrody

If the universal healthcare model doesn't work, why are countries like France and Japan consistently ranked as the best healthcare in the world by the WHO and the US is down with countries like Iran?

you understand to fund healthcare in france workers pay 21% of their income into the healthcare system?
www.npr.org...

I doubt anyone is voting to give 21% of their income to the government for healthcare here.
Not when our pentagon pays $640 for a toilet seat.

If it's "too good to be true" it probably is.

And this is malarkey. It'll cost 100x what is shown.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Bluntone22

When we have insurance companies and politicians recommending GoFundMe as a legitimate way to pay for healthcare, I don't see how it can't be better.

I guess it's better in some ways but what about the problems the higher taxes and VAT taxes will cause?

Tell seniors they will have $6 gas now and a 15% value added tax added to all their purchases.

Bernie makes it all sunshine and lollipops but this will change the entire economy not just healthcare.

a reply to: shooterbrody

The average US citizen spends between 13%-20% of their income on their health plan. And that's before we factor in things like deductibles and added costs.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

For the same reason they rank countries like Cuba higher (or lower) in infant mortality. It's all in how those things are quantified and defined. That changes depending on who's doing the reporting and how a metric is counted. Some things individual countries report (the US counts any birth as "live" so long as the baby takes a single breath, but other countries don't count it as live until the baby has lived for a whole year; as you can see, that might make a difference in infant mortality) other things are defined in ways that make some countries look better than others ...

First rule of stats is that you can make a number say anything you want so long as you know how to design the question you're asking.

The gov screws up anything and everything they get their greedy lil hands around and then wants me to pay to fix it. I'm against anything that creates bigger government and increases governments control of my life. It's bad enough already.

a reply to: Bluntone22

No matter how cheaply China can make stuff. It won't be that cheap.

It doesn't sound too bad at first glance. Probably bettter than Trump's plan to strip Obamacare even if it does protect people with preexisting conditions.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
If it's "too good to be true" it probably is.

And this is malarkey. It'll cost 100x what is shown.

LOL, really? A family with a household income of $40,000 will pay $44,000 for healthcare? I think your estimate is a bit off.

Truth is, the entire rest of the developed world has already figured this out. America needs to catch up.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: shooterbrody

The average US citizen spends between 13%-20% of their income on their health plan. And that's before we factor in things like deductibles and added costs.

and do they give that money to the government? you know, the people who paid $640 for a toilet seat?
THAT is one of the primary issues
www.dailywire.com...
I don't think we should give our government ANY more funds until they can properly use what they have.
PERIOD

our system needs fixed but not by me giving more of my money to fix it

So my taxes are gonna go through the roof to pay for healthcare for all and I still have to pay money for it? Nah I'm good.

Let me guess, he's gonna release how much each of us in the middle class will have to pay for other people's degrees next without mentioning how much we're already going to pay for it through a tax rise like this plan.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: jjkenobi
If it's "too good to be true" it probably is.

And this is malarkey. It'll cost 100x what is shown.

LOL, really? A family with a household income of $40,000 will pay $44,000 for healthcare? I think your estimate is a bit off.

Truth is, the entire rest of the developed world has already figured this out. America needs to catch up.

What I'm saying is your healthcare actual costs will be 100x what Bernie predicts you'll pay.

How that is made up for on the back end is a mystery Socialists can never solve. More taxes? Most definitely. Govt debt? most definitely. Denial of services and lack of quality? most definitely