How Does ATS Feel About This Sanders Medicare Plan

I see a very strong attraction to this for people that have lousy plans or are paying too much, it covers dental too, which is very impressive actually.



I know most people on here support Trump, if only the DNC could be reasonable on everything else and still do this, if there was a candidate that was strong on immigration protection and the 2nd and not ruled by the coastal elite mob.

Regardless I think he will capture many primary votes with this policy.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I like it.

But I like my guns, lower taxes and not killing babies late term better.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

People like unicorns too. Bernio is putting the cart before the horse. Its idiotic to think a bunch of politicians with conflict of interest will address healthcare. This thing would get bastardized faster than a biden can sneak a sniff. You will end up paying 400 times the amount with less benefits.

People need to STFU about having govt fix anything but minimizing conflict of interest first.

I think that to see what kind of healthcare we'll wind up with under a Medicare-For-All plan, all you have to do is look at the VA Hospitals.

Go talk to a veteran to see how good healthcare run exclusively by Uncle Sam is...

that plan sounds wonderful. Now how much will it "really" cost? See, my taxes will go up to cover all this, and I need to know the annual cost in it's totality. I'm sure Bernie understands this. Or does the government already have enough money to do this now?

originally posted by: cynicalheathen
I think that to see what kind of healthcare we'll wind up with under a Medicare-For-All plan, all you have to do is look at the VA Hospitals.

Go talk to a veteran to see how good healthcare run exclusively by Uncle Sam is...

It's pointless trying to explain this to people. It doesn't even matter it's the VA. Post Office, DMV, IRS...pick anything. Everything the Federal Government touches is run with extreme inefficiency, fraud and waste yet people really believe this is going to work out. This stupid pricing won't be enough to cover the costs of aspirin and band aides.

my first problem is with price controls, what happens when you reduce the flow of money everyone in the various medical fields gets their salaries reduced and the prices i saw would cut pay quite significantly, do people honestly believe low paid medical professionals would feel much motivation to work or take care of others at all? many would quickly discover how terrible people can be when you destroy their livelihoods.
American healthcare might be expensive but that's because our medical professional's are the best and most innovative in the world and are paid well for it, good pay is a powerful motivator to do your job well.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I see a very strong attraction to this for people that have lousy plans or are paying too much,

... which would be the case for America as a whole:

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Blaine91555

Sanders pegs the price tag for his plan at $1.38 trillion per year during the first 10 years. This is based on an analysis by Gerald Friedman, an economist at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

How expensive would a single-payer system be?

Americans spent $3.65 trillion on health care in 2018

America's health care economy keeps ballooning

Err... math. I hate math, but the second number is higher. High AF, actually.

Wait! You can triple your military budget and still wont lose a dime?!? My bad. I shouldn't mention this, or should I? None of this? Ok, you didn't see that!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

After presenting this to my frenemies on ATS some of them still felt I wanna put them in camps and gas them with my favorite fumes.
Feelings, ya know. Which is why I think it's pretty hilarious that you were asking for feelings. But... is this really what you were asking for?

originally posted by: namehere
my first problem is with price controls, what happens when you reduce the flow of money everyone in the various medical fields gets their salaries reduced and the prices i saw would cut pay quite significantly, do people honestly believe low paid medical professionals would feel much motivation to work or take care of others at all? many would quickly discover how terrible people can be when you destroy their livelihoods.
American healthcare might be expensive but that's because our medical professional's are the best and most innovative in the world and are paid well for it, good pay is a powerful motivator to do your job well.

All excellent points and points that bounce off of Bernie Bros craniums like ping pong balls.

They've had all these years to do something good for the American people, yet not one elected official did anything that benefits the employer that pays for employees health insurance.

Pipe dream and it just won't fly. You got to have govt. doctors first of all for it to be even considered valid. Can't believe how naive people can be into being tricked just to vote for a pipe dream candidate that probably had never to pay his own health insurance. And by the way, he's too dang old. The job today is way too stressful for someone his age unless he is just going to kick back for 4 years.

a reply to: namehere

By getting rid of the for-profit health insurance industry, healthcare providers can still receive comparable compensation since billions no longer need to be spent keeping an industry thriving that doesn't actually provide a service.

How Does ATS Feel About This Sanders Medicare Plan

I wouldn't feel very good having no dental or vision.

Because that is what you get with medicare.

Forced taxation of Employer/Employee/Capital gains surtax.

So what We'll pay isn't even close to be what Sanders says.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

The numbers he is proposing are nowhere near what it will take to fund this program.
The shortfall will be made up by employers and other taxes and fees.
In other words the actual cost is going to be considerably higher than he’s claiming.

we've been fighting off socialism for over 100 years and the progressives always try to get their foot in the door through healthcare, other nations might be fooled with the progressive deception since everything looks fine at the moment but America will never allow ourselves be fooled with such naive expectations of progress no matter how good it looks, we will always be vigilant and look for an angle to every false promise progressives make to get socialism in the door.

the day America gives in to such deceptions is the day America dies and the seeds of a monster are planted, a monster that will terrify the world and swallow everyone and everything with it's greed.

Okay, those prices are attractive- at 100-200k a year income (Most people I know who actually have partners and jobs are just about in this zone- if not the one below it) it's like $2500 a year.

Now, I had an accident last year, but for the sake of my point lets ignore my EXTRA bills into "healthcare" (and the total lack of actual care given).
They don't matter for this point.


In 2019, According to my work place:
I personally paid in around $1200 to medicare.
Work supposedly paid in the same, for a total of $1200.
Then I paid in an additional $1300 into my health insurance plan.
Work supposedly paid in something like $6000.

Now, if I'm adding this up right, *my* contribution is damn near $10,000 last year into the medical scam system.
And Mr.Burns here seems to think he can fix that, improve my healthcare, and give free healthcare to all of the leeches in this society... while simultaneously dropping my costs to under 2500 from 10k.
I mean, that 2500 number is me AND a partner, I have no idea what she paid in last year, but it also doesn't matter for my point.

Something somewhere is bad math on that chart, and it reeks of lies.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

The numbers he is proposing are nowhere near what it will take to fund this program.
The shortfall will be made up by employers and other taxes and fees.
In other words the actual cost is going to be considerably higher than he’s claiming.

Oh, it would be a total disaster. Companies would bail outta here almost immediately. The opioid and meth problem would get 10X's worse. Only area that may improve is illegal immigration would come to a grinding halt. Illegals would come over and think what the hell happened to this place and leave. All the while Bernie would have a big smile on his face watching his plan unfold finally.

a reply to: lordcomac

Those numbers are just the fee for an income bracket. The actual "cost" is much higher and will have to be paid for by other sources.

You will be paying there too and his pretty little chart fails to mention that one.

Last time around the low ball estimate on Bernie's proposals was in the $18 trillion range for new taxes.

I doubt he's trimmed that any.

Truth is that no one says they want to pay more for their health care. No one, but the details are what kills any "free" health care plan. None of them are free and most of them end up restricting too much in the end in order to try to realize any of the massive savings they try to promise. When that part comes out, most people are far less enthusiastic about it. Either that or they end up hiking taxes a LOT more and call it free because you aren't taking directly out of pocket at point of service.

My biggest concern is what happens when this doesn't work which I am 100% confident it won't because nothing the Government touches works well, especially the first time doing it. How much "extra" money is this going to cost once all the failures come to light to "make it right" and then again to fix all the original fixes. There is no incentive for the Government to do it right and do it cost effective because they can just always add more taxes and will have no fear of losing it.

At that point it is going to be too late to scrap everything and go back to the system that did work but had some rooms for improvement.

Once the Government gets control it is downhill from there and the cost will get more every year and the mismanagement and corruption in the system will get worse. The people going into the medical professions will dwindle and care will get worse as costs and wages are controlled. There will be no turning back unless the country revolts.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: namehere

By getting rid of the for-profit health insurance industry, healthcare providers can still receive comparable compensation since billions no longer need to be spent keeping an industry thriving that doesn't actually provide a service.

so where will you get doctors and nurses and other healthcare professionals to work within this system?
you know, when you get rid of the "for profit" system that pays them?