Corona Virus Updates Part 3

a reply to: tanstaafl

Except that those figures you're basing everything on are widely considered to be propaganda covering up the true extent of a disease that may have an undetectable first stage and may have been brewing in the population for much longer than we're being told. We may all already have it, but to know that we'd need to test everyone. For our governments and the corporations wielding real power, they can deal ok with a pretty high die off figure, as long as their infrastructure of power remains intact. Or in other words, they will send those cruise ships out to sea and turn the Star Wars space lasers on them before they let the people on them back into the populace. They'll view those figures as being more like a poll than a tally. It's representing a percentage of people tested. Nobody is going out and testing the public. The UK isn't even going to bother testing once they have 100 cases safely in a lab for observation. Then we'll be told to go home, stay home, good luck, see you on the other side.

There is a new disease out there. Nobody has immunity, and most people who are exposed to it will contract it. Everyone is going to get it, most people will survive it, but we may all be about to get sick at once, and that's the dangerous thing. We won't know all the details about the virus until after this outbreak, and until then nobody in the science/medical world really is pretending anything different.

originally posted by: Budman
a reply to: fleabit
If that happens and even 30% of the world population contracts it with a 2% fatality rate ,that is 45 million dead. Very scary!

Are there any indications that this thing can/will kill those that are otherwise healthy with reasonably strong immune systems?

I think that is a very pertinent question. If only those who have compromised immune systems and/or are otherwise at risk (elderly, infants, etc) - which appears to be the case - then take extreme precautions for your loved ones at risk, learn how to do IV ozone and IV mega-dose Vit C at home, prep as much as possible, and hunker down.

I am, at this moment, googling trying to find out if there are any 'emergency medical' type course I can take that will teach me the basics, like doing IVs, etc. I'm also planning on filling my oxygen tank, and possibly buying a second one.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Those are only the cases we have found. Surely you understand that we cannot test everyone in the world every day to know the exact numbers. You have to use your judgement if that many were found in the population of X million, how many were asymptomatic never tested, had a false-positive result and not retested or misdiagnosed as flu. This is the tip of the iceberg and I am not saying that in a conspiracy kind of way, but as a physical impossibility to know about everyone who has it. That is why the US is starting to test everyone that tested negative for the flu to cast a wider net. Why would they do that if everything was under control? Some people currently have it and their doctor has diagnosed it as seasonal flu imho.

Well obviously they are linked to China dude...it kinda started there. I'm not saying if it's going to have a major impact on my country or not. But it could and that's enough for me. I have been stockpiling food, water and ammo hardcore the past two weeks. Hopefully it turns out to be nothing here. But I'll be as prepared as I can. And my stockpile can be used for any disaster that may happen, doesn't need to be a pandemic. It could be a tornado or anything else. Doesn't hurt one bit to have a good store in place. Good luck to you and your family.

originally posted by: SailorJerry

Actually I prefer no one catches it

What kind of person says sh1t like this?

Just saying there's some crazy people in this World who we could do without.

Anyway, back on topic...

Someone n China has messed up with this thing.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Budman
a reply to: fleabit
If that happens and even 30% of the world population contracts it with a 2% fatality rate ,that is 45 million dead. Very scary!

Are there any indications that this thing can/will kill those that are otherwise healthy with reasonably strong immune systems?

HIVCOVID-20 sounds good.

a reply to: Violater1

Thanks for that link. I will read it, but already I don't at all like what you just said. Wtf.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
Well obviously they are linked to China dude...it kinda started there. I'm not saying if it's going to have a major impact on my country or not. But it could and that's enough for me. I have been stockpiling food, water and ammo hardcore the past two weeks. Hopefully it turns out to be nothing here. But I'll be as prepared as I can. And my stockpile can be used for any disaster that may happen, doesn't need to be a pandemic. It could be a tornado or anything else. Doesn't hurt one bit to have a good store in place. Good luck to you and your family.

Prepare for a zombie apocalypse. Only this time, it's very real.

Combine rabies with the ability of a flu virus to spread quickly through the air, and you might have the makings of a zombie apocalypse.

projectmegavirus.blogspot.com...

a reply to: tanstaafl

If only those who have compromised immune systems and/or are otherwise at risk (elderly, infants, etc) - which appears to be the case -

Can you cite your source for this?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: kwakakev
'It Would Spread Very Quickly'

Egypt has pick up its first confirmed case, asymptomatic. Africa is unprepared, doing the best they can with what they have.

... if your argument is that there are lots of cases not yet confirmed - where are the huge spikes in numbers of reported serious illnesses from 'flu' or pneumonia or anything related?

For that you will want to watch data for Flu-Like Illnesses.



Here's data for Illinois.

That's IF they were to go down as flu-like rather than something else.

source:
dph.illinois.gov...

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
BREAKING China may postpone annual parliament session over virus: state media

What a bunch of hyprocrates. And they want their people to go back to work. I hope they overthrow them and send them to prison to forced labour. Bunch of #$$@#$#$&_$#

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: kwakakev
'It Would Spread Very Quickly'

Egypt has pick up its first confirmed case, asymptomatic. Africa is unprepared, doing the best they can with what they have.

There is only one thing wrong with your commentary...

It isn't spreading 'very quickly'.

Just looking at the Stats for the USA, as of the 17th:

Jan 21: 1st case
Jan 24: 2nd case
Jan 26: 3rd, 4th & 5th cases
Jan 30: 6th case
Jan 31: 7th case
Feb 1: 8th case
Feb 2: 9th, 10th & 11th cases
Feb 5: 12th case
Feb 11: 13th case
Feb 13: 14th & 15th cases

So, does that look anything like anything even remotely considered an 'exponential increase' to anyone here?

Also, if your argument is that there are lots of cases not yet confirmed - where are the huge spikes in numbers of reported serious illnesses from 'flu' or pneumonia or anything related?

Thats if you believe that the authorities would be truthful and tell us about the cases.

I actually was just informed by a co worker, for whom we are subcontracting under, that a local woman has been put in observation for suspected coronavirus.

This is small town USA here

a reply to: Alien Abduct

Most who have it/had it are undiagnosed. The Chinese admitted they were only using a limited number of test kits every day for a long time. When you are only admitting those who are officially diagnosed by test kit and you only have x-many test kits, then logic dictates you are missing a certain number of cases in your data.

Additionally, they would only be testing those who show up at the hospital who would be from the pool of sickest cases which are additionally going to skew your numbers toward severity.

Finally, this will get severe and kill you faster than severe and critical cases will recover if they're going to live. So recovery numbers lag deceased numbers.

I think you have a more accurate picture right now looking at the cases in rest of world which show an overall milder illness than what you are seeing out of China. China's problem is that they are getting hit in a wave so they're getting all the illness all at once. If similar waves develop everywhere else, then we'll have that magnitude of problem, but the reality if that the illness itself is a relatively mild one for most people.

a reply to: ketsuko

China is the example of what happens when you don't take it seriously, like many other countries don't seem to be

From the looks of it this was active for at least 6 weeks spreading like fire before chna decided to be serious and by then it was too late and drastic measures was their only choice.

The US and everyone else should take heed and start telling people to be aware, take precautions and get their asses to a hospital if they have a fever over two days in length, full stop

But it's crickets, and that's how your hospitals and medical infrastructure get overwhelmed, then

Well you know what

a reply to: liejunkie01

All right, let's assume the authorities aren't telling us the truth.

People in China were falling over in the streets. You can't hide that. You wouldn't be able to hide that here.

Hospitals in Chinas were overwhelmed with sick people to the point of overflowing. You can't hide that, and you couldn't hide that here.

It's not happening here, not yet, and it *may* not. There is always the chance it could break out and that's why you here that the CDC, FEMA, US military are on alert with their pandemic plans in place, but whatever the conditions are in China or on the Diamond Princess that enabled it to spread so quickly and infect so many may not exist in quite the same way here very commonly.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Japan's Imperial Household Agency has canceled Emperor Naruhito's greetings to the public on his birthday on February 23 due to the new coronavirus outbreak.

Yet again.... And they want to have the Olympics.... Bunch of hypocrites.....

If the virus is more dangerous for Chinese or Asians, I sure would like to see a little research on why that is occurring.
They have mapped the genome of the virus. They have the human genome mapped. Shouldn't they be able to show a reason for the virus being more deadly for Asians, if that is the case?

a reply to: ketsuko
Actually the cruise ship is a great example of how fast it can travel and be transmitted.

Those ships aren't much different than a supermarket, a Walmart, a mall, a town center, a movie theater etc.

It traveled that damn fast in that amount of time, in a place that's kept cleaner usually than any of the above mentioned, plus they have on board medical staff to care for the sick, it seems THAT didn't even matter

a reply to: SailorJerry

I'm not 100% sure that's what you want. Send people with a novel, contagious disease into an environment with a bunch of other sick people? It probably helped spread it in China, and it certainly did help spread the Spanish Flu.

They are taking steps though. Right now, if you present with flu-like symptoms and test negative for flu A or B, you are supposed to get tested for corona virus.

I think it should be stressed at all levels that if you are sick -- "STAY HOME". I know bosses and places of work all over say that, but too many people ignore it. I know I tend to. I have to be walking dead to call in sick. I think that advice and enforcement of it would do more to keep this disease at home than anything else, and it would keep it out of a lot of other environments too.

And bosses might stress it by saying they'll fire people for coming in sick instead of making people like they'll get fired for staying home sick.

a reply to: Oppenheimer67

I'm no good at graphs or numbers or maths, will openly admit that. So can you tell me if in reading that graph correctly.. that in the state of Illinois for this current flu season, the cases have shot way up compared to the previous tallied seasons? If this is the case it helps towards my own theory that it's already everywhere but as we weren't originally expecting this, it's all just assumed to be flu. Theres a definite nasty virus here in south east of the UK with ALL the symptoms of this coronavirus... but everyone's told its viral or its flu. A friends husband died suddenly in the night last week whilst suffering from a respiratory illness 🤷‍♀️☹

Would be interesting to see other states (USA) or counties (UK) stats regarding their flu season and how many went on to get pneumonia and how many sadly died.