Corona Virus Updates Part 3

a reply to: tanstaafl

Apparently, that's exactly what they did.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Agree your argumentative, and tbh if that’s what you call “evidence” we have a very different definition of it!
If you took that “evidence to a trail, Yours be getting thrown before the trail even start! Ain’t no judge convicting anyone On that ropey stuff!
Can I get some of what it smokin?

a reply to: Adphil28

As bad as I might usually think this sounds (to replace people with machines), for isolation wards in hospitals, we have the technology to automate a lot of the basic healthcare … it is just expensive currently, but maybe this virus will provide the 'push' to get more of this done. Robots already assist with surgery, and turning patients / helping with bedpans / etc would be achievable (just it doesn't pay currently because humans are still cheaper overall, and isn't done to my knowledge).

The human workers (like me, ugh) are often the ones more apt to spread infectious agents, and not the machines. For instance: machines don't take a virus to a grocery store, or home to their families.... and surgery robots like the Da Vinci (that I have personally seen) are completely decontaminated after each patient. They don't go from room to room.

Machines need to be decontaminated for sure, but there are already ways to achieve that, and machines can take a lot more caustic / or irradiative decontamination types of procedures than people can handle (you can get 100% sterilization, not so much with people all the time).

Nurses and doctors might need to become technicians, operating machines as a routine part of their jobs for this type of work, in addition to being nurses and doctors, but if so : so be it.

a reply to: Fowlerstoad

Totally agree, to a degree the people in hospitals already are ( not patients, the staff), the amount of equipment used and run each shift is mad, easy to see where mistakes can happen when tired tbh( sometimes even when not)

Double post

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: redpassion
"Sorry, but googling doesn't reveal the details we'd need to evaluate these reports, and sorry, if you are going to provide a source, it is on you to do the translating.

If they are asymptomatic, they are irrelevant to the specific issue being discussed."

Seriously, you can't copy paste a link into Google translator?

I can, but my time is limited, I'm monitoring this thread for any news of consequence, and participating as I can, in between everything else I do during the day (I have mostly a desk job).

Want me to copy a full article into here just because you can't copy/paste?

No, but if you are going to post something as a rebuttal to something I said, you need to include the pertinent details in the post, not require me to go translate something to try to discern whether or not your argument has merit.

I just put the links to where I got the info about the nationalities that got positive so that then you or someone doesn't come and say "linky or it didn't happen"....

You were asking nationalities on board the ship, I copy pasted in my post the ones that turned out positive. The only ones we know about.

No... I was asking about nationalities - and their status.

Again, no one is questioning whether or not non-asians can test positive. What is in question is whether or not non-asians will suffer serious symptoms.

Where is the rebuttal to what you asked for? You asked for other nationalities/non-asians and their status.

You didn't even read my post. It clearly said that there where other nationalities that got tested positive. AND it clearly said the man from Argentina is NOT testing positive anymore. That is his status right now. What else do you want? You know we are not getting that much information from the media and governments. We can't do magic, we can't invent stuff up, it's unethical and it will derail the thread. Probably what you want.

Their is also another post in this thread that has a link to a women that was interviewed while she is in quarantine and she feels good, no symptoms up to that point. There is another evidence. Will not look it up for you, I know you will just say... "where is the evidence?" again.....

MODS: If you think the next thing i'm going to say needs to be deleted, please do so. I'll break the rule, don't care, sometimes they need to be broken, if you want to ban me, I don't care do so. This is what this member wants, to end this thread.

You ask for evidence/example or whatever you want to call it, I gave you one. You claim it is a rebuttal and disregard it because the source is not in your language.

You are clearly trying to derail the thread at the same time you are kind of following the rule of "the ball and not the player", well done, congratz. Will not fall into your game again.

a reply to: FamCore

It has been 3 weeks and 1 day since those first suspected cases in Connecticut popped up. Still no word.

Yeah, the whole thing stinks. As I have noted previously, the first Australian case arrived here on a flight from China on the 6th of January.............that's right.......the 6th of January.

Since then, all up, there have been 15 people ............... 15 people ALL of whom have arrived from China....ALL OF THEM.

Considering what is being said about the virulent nature of this virus, am I seriously expected to believe that nobody, not 1 single individual has picked up this virus......either on the long flight from China........or from the time they were actually walking around in Australia.

There truly are piles and piles of BS getting shoveled around at the moment. Personally I'm not sure where the truth lies here......but I can tell you that either way it's not good.

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67

originally posted by: redpassion
Seriously, you can't copy paste a link into Google translator? Want me to copy a full article into here just because you can't copy/paste? I just put the links to where I got the info about the nationalities that got positive so that then you or someone doesn't come and say "linky or it didn't happen"....

You were asking nationalities on board the ship, I copy pasted in my post the ones that turned out positive. The only ones we know about.

When you answer a question, and this person in particular doesn't like the answer, he/she invariably changes the question and claims you haven't answered it. 🤷🏽‍♂️

I say let them go about their business, trying to mix oil and water. "wahhhh, I mean the soluble kind! wahhh!". Who cares, ruin your own respirator.

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. (Mark Twain to thank for that gem)

I appreciated your input as I'm sure most here did, so thank you.

Yea, I noticed that. Thank you too =)

a reply to: myselfaswell

I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing (probably a bad thing) that you are experiencing similar lack of news in Oz, but I appreciate you taking the time to share those insights either way. Thank you! and stay safe...

originally posted by: Adphil28
a reply to: tanstaafl
Agree your argumentative,

It only appears that way...

and tbh if that’s what you call “evidence” we have a very different definition of it!
If you took that “evidence to a trail, Yours be getting thrown before the trail even start!

Trail??? wtf??? oh - you mean trial?

What makes you think evidence must be absolute? Evidence is evidence. Nothing more. Right now, we have data that appears to show that most non-asians have mild or even no symptoms outside china. That is evidence.

Ain’t no judge convicting anyone On that ropey stuff!

1. This isn't a trial, and

2. I wouldn't take this weak of a case to trial.

geesh...

a reply to: redpassion

Agreed

originally posted by: redpassion
Where is the rebuttal to what you asked for? You asked for other nationalities/non-asians and their status.

Yes, I did. Still waiting on you or someone to provide their status.

You didn't even read my post.

Yes, I did.

It clearly said that there where other nationalities that got tested positive. AND it clearly said the man from Argentina is NOT testing positive anymore. That is his status right now.

Not in any way what I meant by status, and that would be obvious had you bothered to read.

I asked for their status as to whether or not they were sick - did they exhibit any symptoms - if so, was it mild or serious, etc.

What else do you want?

Oh, I don't know, a discussion with someone who can read with comprehension and discuss things rationally?

Their is also another post in this thread that has a link to a women that was interviewed while she is in quarantine and she feels good, no symptoms up to that point. There is another evidence. Will not look it up for you, I know you will just say... "where is the evidence?" again.....

Really? Thats funny, since I actually responded that that post, and thanked the poster for making my case (that non-asians apparently are not getting sick even when they test positive for the virus).

You ask for evidence/example or whatever you want to call it, I gave you one.

No, you didn't, you thought you did, but you didn't comprehend what I was asking for.

a reply to: tanstaafl

What makes you think evidence must be absolute? Evidence is evidence. Nothing more. Right now, we have data that appears to show that most non-asians have mild or even no symptoms outside china. That is evidence.

What hypocrisy, you attacked and bullied people off of this thread, to even want to discuss ANYTHING , because you said that all of their evidence had NO peer reviewed studies so it was useless

Now you claim YOUR right, despite no peer reviewed evidence?

What a flaming hypocrite.

I suppose then, sense there is lots of evidence this could be engineered, youd be willing to concede that?

Or does your double standard only apply to what YOU think?

Chinese film director (55) dies in Wuhan after home quarantine, along with his mother, father, sister, and his wife is in serious condition.

www.theguardian.com...

Back on subject again

China

TOTAL
Cases 72,437
Dead 1,870
11,741 serious
12,552 recovered
6,242 suspected

Rest of the world
TOTAL
Cases 999
Dead 5
39 serious/critical


Source
bnonews.com...

a reply to: Oppenheimer67

This makes zero sense when taken in light of the official death count.

A whole family wiped out, yet we are to believe the 1875 deaths figure. How many families are in the same situation?

Once again this tragedy further highlights what is happening and what we are being told officially are two versions worlds apart.
It also adds fuel to those speculating that whatever hit Wuhan it wasn't merely this mild version of COVID19 that we are seeing in countries outside of China.

originally posted by: SailorJerry
a reply to: tanstaafl
What hypocrisy, you attacked and bullied people off of this thread,

Wtf are you on about?

to even want to discuss ANYTHING , because you said that all of their evidence had NO peer reviewed studies so it was useless

Excuse me? I am one who holds very little faith in the entire 'peer-review' system (I consider it highly rigged), so would hardly do anything of the kind.

Methinks you have me confused with someone else.

Now you claim YOUR right, despite no peer reviewed evidence?

I am not claiming to be right about anything, I'm merely pointing to the evidence that is actually before us.

If you disagree with that evidence - that most/the vast majority of non-asians don't seem to be getting sick, especially seriously, and most especially to the point of dying - from this thing, then by all means, point to some evidence to the contrary.

I suppose then, sense there is lots of evidence this could be engineered, youd be willing to concede that?

I have from the beginning.

Or does your double standard only apply to what YOU think?

Again, I think you have me confused with someone else, not sure where the highly mis-directed animosity is coming from.

If there’s a light at the end of the tunnel maybe this is the start?
news.sky.com...

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
Chinese film director (55) dies in Wuhan after home quarantine, along with his mother, father, sister, and his wife is in serious condition.

www.theguardian.com...

Not to be alarmist but have you ever heard of the flu doing this to a family ? The story is from a left wing but respected British newspaper. Which would lead me to believe that this is genuine. Just when I was thinking maybe this whole thing is overblown and not as bad as we think, I read something like that .

~one more stab at reality~

coronavirus, nCov19, COVID19 are three separate infections, tests for nCov19 will not reveal COVID19
so all the testis, stats, death rates, recovery rates are just jumbles of numbers with little in answers...


iran across this release, that has electron microscope images of the current virus in question...

click to see a variety of the images & text of what you are viewing... a CLADE of betacoronvirus that is engineered And is not a virus that was mutated by Nature !

The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases’ Rocky Mountain Laboratories (RML) has produced images

of the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2,
previously known as 2019-nCoV),
the causative pathogen of Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19),

on its scanning and transmission electron microscopes this week.

The virus does not look much different than the MERS-CoV (Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus, which emerged in 2012)
or the original SARS-CoV (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus, which emerged in 2002).
That is not surprising: The spikes on the surface of coronaviruses give this virus family its name – corona, which is Latin for “crown,” and most any coronavirus will have a crown-like appearance.

the CoV (coronavirus) is a CLADE, making up all 3 -> MERS & SARS & nCoV19
coronavirus19 can Develop into the Disease COVID19 if the host body allows it to develop by providing a fertile supply of already damaged lung/organ cells

see: shepherdsheart.life...


folding up now