Corona Virus Updates Part 3

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Rectal tenp and test the thermometer...

Ok, but... is the flu contained? The common cold? Get my meaning?

There is not point to contain those. Could it be contained? Possibly. But the loss of life due to influenza or disruption in your life for a cold is not great enough for anyone to actually make that attempt. I think China probably has greatly reduced their # of infected by their draconian methods (and overly draconian methods - i.e. welding people into their homes). So it can be done. Is it financially worth it? Well, probably - having 20 or 30 million die worldwide to this is probably worth the fight for containment. But all it takes is a few rogue countries (or countries without the funds to properly respond) to make it worse.

CDC Update: Public Health Response to the Coronavirus Disease 2019 Outbreak — United States

COVID-19 is a serious public health threat. Cases of COVID-19 have been diagnosed in the United States, primarily in travelers from China and quarantined repatriates, and also in two close contacts of COVID-19 patients. Currently, COVID-19 is not recognized to be spreading in U.S. communities. If sustained transmission in U.S. communities is identified, the U.S. response strategy will enhance implementation of actions to slow spread in communities (2,6).

They Reference:
(2) Updated preparedness and response framework for influenza pandemics

Excerpt:

The six intervals of the updated framework are as follows: 1) investigation of cases of novel influenza, 2) recognition of increased potential for ongoing transmission, 3) initiation of a pandemic wave, 4) acceleration of a pandemic wave, 5) deceleration of a pandemic wave, and 6) preparation for future pandemic waves. The following eight domains are used to organize response efforts within each interval: incident management, surveillance and epidemiology, laboratory, community mitigation, medical care and countermeasures, vaccine, risk communications, and state/local coordination.

(6) Community Mitigation Guidelines to Prevent Pandemic Influenza - United States, 2017

a reply to: musicismagic

Mardi Gras isn't that big outside of New Orleans and a handful of bars scattered here and there. The next big even here in the states will actually be something a lot more attention SHOULD be going towards right TF now: Spring Break. Spring Break starts next week for many colleges and they stagger the week's off for all of March nationwide. Thousands of teens gathering in Mexico, Florida, Hawaii, the Carribean, etc... That ought to be a lot more of a focal point for the CDC right now, maybe even to the point that they strongly consider blocking most of those trips and events entirely.

Just to recap everything so far.... I have lost completely track over which have been debunked or not...

- incubation is as high as 27 days
- infectious during incubation
- a lot of asymptomatic cases. One specific example was the girl on the cruiseship who knew she was infected but felt fine
- I would guess China is lying about number of cases;
- videos with bodies in bags in front of buildings
- chinese boarding up homes by the front doors down entire streets
- mass mobile furnaces
- spike in SO2 levels over Hubei
- woman in car telling how she saw hospital workers bagging up people who wasnt dead yet
- virus is locally airborne
- virus can survive up to 9 days on surfaces
- virus seems active in mild weather... 15 degrees c in Tehran that last couple of weeks
- virus in Tenerif now, with 1 confirmed and 1000 in quarantine
- several examples of cases where people test negative many times before being positive. Worst case is Tang the hotel worker who tested negative 8 times before going positive.
- Atleast 200 cases in China where infected recovered and then got reinfected
- Currently the death percentage of concluded cases is steady around 9%
- Saw twitter post earlier that includes Iraq, Dubai, Bahrain, Turkey, Israel, UAE
- Schwitzerland joins in as well
- France also
- Iran deputy minister of health got Covid after having been on tv the day before sweating like a pig while they explained how it was under cpntrol in Iran

If this COVID19 & coronavirus Outbreak....starting back in December 2019 in China>Wuhan.... Just Where was the Celestial Warning or Omen in the visual appearance of a 'Comet'

anybody got data ?
Comets usually bring Bad Mojo to humanity... throughout History there were Wars/Famines/Floods/Plagues/Other forms of death-or-distress brought about by the arrival of a 'Comet' which folks seen in the daytime no less...


I seen articles & reports of meteors exploding in the Caribbean, in Russia, in the EU...& NEO asteroids scooting by Earth
but no news on any Comets...

does that indicate this 'Crisis' is a False Flag ELE underway ?



a reply to: burdman30ott6

on the macabre side.... there might then be a much lower Student-Loan-Default rate to contend with... Spring Break

originally posted by: fleabit

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Anyone been discussing the fact that birds can carry coronaviruses and migrating birds are about to start coming back?

Is this particular virus able to be carried by birds?

Not sure.. don't think so? Even if it can be, doesn't mean I guess it can be easily transmitted from bird to person. It at least hasn't been a story anywhere, worries about transport by animals, so.. hopefully not. : )

Regarding animals not sure if relevant but thought I'd share.

Watching Pandemic I looked up the doctor featured Dr Syra Madad. Her Twitter links to an interview she did where they asked her this...

Where were you when you found out about the novel coronavirus?
I was following it from the get-go. As soon as I saw that ProMed post, I saw it was an unknown etiology of pneumonia very early on. This was before the World Health Organization was even notified of a cluster. I actually sent this email to my public-health colleagues and my co-workers, and I said, “This looks pretty worrisome. We should begin following this because this seems like something that may go out of control.” From there on we started monitoring the situation.

I went looking for the ProMed post I found this Published January 2nd.(there's that date again) it says people in Wuhan should avoid Live animals.
But this I assume before they knew where it came from?

It also includes these gems

Some lessons learned from the SARS outbreak in 2003 include the following:
- investigation team members are more vulnerable and a lapse in infection prevention and control has proven to be very serious;
- the public at large is to be well informed to increase disease reporting and avoid a panic;
- a media training is quite helpful;
- public health measures at points of entry is only complementary to other measures as other means of transportation are available for other prospective passengers;
- contact tracing was hampered by the lack of travelers' details while further traveling or even staying in the country;
- other related agencies should understand that these public health measures are to ensure patient safety and for instance, not to delay the uptake of incoming tourists.

It is also worth emphasizing that an updated pandemic preparedness plan needs to be in place to deal with the worst case scenario. - Mod.ST

Bolded mine..they didn't learn I guess

a reply to: St Udio

Um, pretty sure bad things happen even in absence of comets.

a reply to: FamCore

My point was, with government and healthcare being prioritized for shipments of masks, we could see shortages of those specific items without prep or panic buying from the general population. Wouldn't expect fo find any other 'out of stock' items in a hardware store because there isn't a mass purchasing of those items by gov and med.

The sign is interesting but even that could just be forethought by the retailer in regards to supply chain breaking down with the masks being manufactured in China. Trying to ensure that as many of their customers as possible have the tools they need to do their jobs.

Only playing devil's advocate!

Lol that would be an easy way . a reply to: ketsuko

originally posted by: iloveit
They said its NOT rampant in the US.

You forgot the last word... YET...

Suggesting it was on its way to being rampant. I simply pointed out that we have been stuck at 15 for weeks, which indicates we are far from it in any meaningful way.

"it is only a serious concern for the elderly and/or already immune/health compromised."

No. Its also a serious concern for those with elderly or sick parents also.

I agree - and have said so multiple times, and in fact did so a few posts after that one:

"The numbers Asgaard just posted shows - at least at this point, it is only a serious concern for the elderly and/or already immune/health compromised. So that is where our focus should be, and it is on each of use to do whatever we can for our loved ones that are most at risk."

I note that YOU are the one who seems to combat everybody who does not agree with your way of thinking. Think its qute obvious where you stand by now. And while i agree we shoud not panic, there's no need to chastise /chime in / debate everytime somebody disagrees with you. Which is a lot!!! IJS

Ummm... do you not see how the exact opposite also applies?

People here are repeatedly espousing the worst case scenario. When they do, I try to counter with some sanity.

Again, my apologies if that offends you. Feel free to ignore my posts.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: CrazeeWorld777 re

Scientists have developed an oral vaccine for the new coronavirus using baker's yeast, Chinese state media reported. A professor in charge of the project has reportedly taken four doses of the drug without having any side effects.

Saccharomyces cerevisiae isn't only known as baker's yeast it is also brewers yeast and both have been used in many foods and as nutritional supplement purpose for years.

But because of this the side effects are also known so tests need to take in account of other factors the person in the trial might have.
side effects list from LIVESTRONG

Possible side effects
Brewer's yeast is generally considered safe for short-term use. In some people, brewer's yeast may cause headache, stomach upset, and gas. Brewer's yeast may need to be avoided by certain groups. Among the considerations:

Brewers yeast should not be used in people with a yeast allergy.
Brewer's yeast should be avoided in people on diabetes medications as it may cause an abnormal drop in blood sugar (hypoglycemia).
Some research suggests that brewer's yeast may worsen inflammatory bowel disease so it should probably be avoided by people with ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease.5


Brewer's yeast may cause harm to people with compromised immune systems (including organ transplant recipients and people with advanced HIV) by triggering an opportunistic fungal infection.

The last one is the most likely effect - suppose it is a trade of a treatable fungal infection v convid-19 .

So maybe all the yeast in western diets beer, bread, Marmite, etc compared to noodles and rice in an eastern diet might help explain a little of the reduced effect. Not good for the Keto - LCHF dieters tho.

I am making some big assumption on yeast usage in an Eastern diet tho.

Brewer's yeast may cause harm to people with compromised immune systems (including organ transplant recipients and people with advanced HIV) by triggering an opportunistic fungal infection.

This forum is full of smart people. I donated a kidney last year, and I am curious if baker's yeast would be problematic for me. In the quote above, it states that organ recipients should not take it, but it doesn't mention the people who donate.

My interest in this virus is far beyond what we have discussed in the 3 threads. When I first got involved, the classified documents I was shown talked numerous times about kidney failure as a late stage symptom of the virus. As someone with only one kidney, my interest levels went sky high at that point. Thanks again everyone for the discussion so far.

Yep you are right Spring break is coming up and it is a crazy time . Lots of parties ,sex and so on . Perfect environment for the virus reply to: burdman30ott6

a reply to: tetra50

Feel you on some not being able to afford to prep completely. But then again, complete prep is likely impossible no matter the funds available.

I would like to point out that a 50lb bag of rice is approx $20 American. In that 50 lbs you have approx 82,750 calories, or 41 days at 2000 calories a day. So everybody can surely afford to do some reasonable prep.

For the first time today I'm seeing posts on Facebook from friends asking questions about this virus. It seems that the announcement by the CDC earlier today has woken a few people up who weren't otherwise paying attention to this situation.

a reply to: BPilgrim
Yes, and it might suck eating nothing but rice for a month and a half, but it will keep you alive.

originally posted by: BPilgrim
a reply to: tetra50

Feel you on some not being able to afford to prep completely. But then again, complete prep is likely impossible no matter the funds available.

I would like to point out that a 50lb bag of rice is approx $20 American. In that 50 lbs you have approx 82,750 calories, or 41 days at 2000 calories a day. So everybody can surely afford to do some reasonable prep.

My husband and i were just talking about this. With some rice, instant potatoes, canned veggies and fruit, soup, frozen veggies and a some frozen meat you can eat well for several weeks. And those things are all very affordable. Costco water cases especially. I guess maybe stocking up on cold remedies isn't a bad idea either (Tylenol, Advil, allergy meds, etc). Just things that keep you having to go the store if you don't want to.

Since we are talking about food again, I will post this again. It gets lost in the multiple pages, and I am sure there are a lot who have not seen it.

I am going to give some tips, and this is for everyone. I think it is good information, and I don't want to hold on to it if it can help someone. I am not a prepper per se, but I have been preparing since the Ebola scare in 2014. I am not panicked, and have continued daily life. I have done some research, and believe I am ready to "shelter in place" if the SHTF.

1. Calories are King.
If you are looking into emergency food, or even just canned goods, forget about the number of servings advertised. It means nothing. You need to calculate the number of calories per day that you and your family need. The very lowest an adult can survive on is about 1,300 calories a day. Maybe a little lower for short periods of time. That number would not be comfortable in the long run, and after a few months you would be pretty thin and frail.

An adult male can make it by pretty easy on 2,000-2200 calories a day, and an adult female on 1,800 to 2,000 calories a day. Children need less, but it depends on age. I have a family of 5. The oldest boy is 17, so I calculate him as an adult. I use a rough figure of 2,000 calories a day for the adults, and 1,500 per day for the two smaller ones. So my family would need approximately 9,000 calories a day to be comfortable. Right now, in emergency food, I have about 1,600,000 calories. I count all the servings by the number of calories per serving for each box, bag, or can. 1.6 million calories will last us about 177 days, or 5.9 months.

2.Reasons for Rice.
Rice is going to be one of your best friends in an emergency. It is easy to cook, high in calories, and will give you that nice full feeling. It may get boring after a while, but it will keep you alive. I have about 150lbs. of rice that makes up a percentage of my total 1.6 million calories.

3.Protein is Paramount
Make sure you have good sources of protein. You can't live on rice alone. Meats of course are good protein, but so are a lot of beans. My protein consists of dehydrated meat in 30 year cans. It is emergency rations, so it stays sealed until needed. They also make a soy based, meat flavored substitute. I hate soy, but in survival mode, it will do. I also can hunt small game on my land if needed.

4.Spice is Nice
In survival mode even emergency food can get boring. Make sure to mix it up, different meals, and spices. Bullion cubes can flavor things up nicely. Gravy mixes and other spices can go a long way to make things more palatable.

5.Fruits are Fun
Again, most of the fruits and veggies I have are in freeze dried form. However, I also do have some canned. Canned takes up more room, and heavier. Plus when you figure in the cost per calorie count, freeze dried is a better deal. A mix of both makes for some choices. Just doing things like adding some dried strawberries or bananas to your oatmeal will keep the boredom at bay. Plus you need the vitamins and minerals from such foods.

6.Starch is Safe.
Potatoes, pasta and the like are good sources of starch. Plus in dry form they are easy to keep. They are also easy to prepare, and give you longer term energy.

7.Do Dairy Dry.
Running to the store to get eggs, milk and butter will be a no go in a "shelter in place" situation. Dry milk or milk substitute are good for cooking and drinking. You will need more than you think, so make sure you get enough. Eggs and butter also come freeze dried. These items do not last long enough when fresh, and people use more than they realize.

8.Flour is Power
Flour for making bread is a must. Remember you will also need oil, eggs, yeast and butter. You can also grind your own if you get hard red wheat. You can also make cakes and other things with flour to help break up the food boredom. I have a number of 5lb. bags, and will be getting more. I vacuum seal them, and then freeze them for a day to two. The freezing will kill any worm larva, which happens naturally in flour. That way it will keep longer.

There is so much more, I could go on and on, but that is a good start. The main thing to remember is calorie counting, and avoiding food boredom.

Don't panic, but be prepared. I hope this will help someone out.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: musicismagic

Mardi Gras isn't that big outside of New Orleans and a handful of bars scattered here and there. The next big even here in the states will actually be something a lot more attention SHOULD be going towards right TF now: Spring Break. Spring Break starts next week for many colleges and they stagger the week's off for all of March nationwide. Thousands of teens gathering in Mexico, Florida, Hawaii, the Carribean, etc... That ought to be a lot more of a focal point for the CDC right now, maybe even to the point that they strongly consider blocking most of those trips and events entirely.

Hey burdman30ott6:
If you've no New Orleans type of experience, about an hour ago I saw interviews on the street of people here from Ohio, Indiana, Canada, France.....and I could go right down the list. So while I totally understand your point about Mardi Gras, comparatively to Spring Break......just, lol. There are people here right now from absolutely everywhere in the world........and as to a "handful of bars scattered here and there...." I guess you don't mean, here, specifically. As this carnival comprises two and a half to three weeks, not just today, Fat Tuesday, Mardi Gras day, and is a ginormous celebration with many, many tourists visiting from the world. This particular day in this city, brings everything to a hault: no courts are open, no city agencies, there is no trash pick up, nothing. And you will truly find people here, taking to the streets in HUGE numbers from everywhere in the world. The only other "carnival" that rivals this celebration is in Venice and Rio De Janero......and speaking of those, well we know already what's happening in Venice.
As far as I know, there are few to no international visitors in those numbers going to cavort in American college spring breaks, if any, in fact.
There are usually on average, 1 to 1 1/2 million people here from all over the country, and the world, for this celebration.....which is why I spoke to the alarm.
regards and stay safe,
tetra

a reply to: Tukota

I've been posting on my FB for weeks about this. And I specifically said I'm not here to try to scare ppl but more so provide awareness...now after the CDC's announcement a few of my friends are sharing and or commenting on my posts ....a tad to late if you ask me