Corona Virus Updates Part 3

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

Another poster said that the virus was sometimes found in the gastrointestinal tract after death or something? Maybe if they tested this way instead of how they have been testing, perhaps they would find more postives rather than flase negatives which seems to be a problem.

Just a thought. Science was my worst subject.

originally posted by: fleabit
"There is still the question of why this virus is not impacting the rest of the world like it did China."

Hmm.. not really. Who is asking that?

I am, for one, and I've seen others.

Clearly the virus was probably all over the place well before China starting locking things down. Since then, other countries have been much more vigilant. At least most of them.

Vigilant? Really? Not sure where you are, but that is not how I would characterize what has been happening here in the USA.

Look at Iran - there are probably a -lot- of infections there now.

Maybe. They could also be 'not letting a crisis go to waste' and engaging in some purging of their own. I definitely wouldn't put it past them especially in light of recent events (the massive grass roots protests).

Lock things down - decrease the spread. Do nothing - watch your population catch it VERY fast.

We haven't locked anything down here, really. And our population has been stuck at 15 cases and no deaths for how long now? Weeks if I'm not mistaken.

This is still going to be a ridiculously hard thing to beat.

Beat??? Who said anything about beating it? This is a virus. All we can do is learn to live with it, just like we have every other virus we've ever encountered.

Weill we one day encounter one that will in fact beat us? Very possible, but I hope not.

You can't shut down your country indefinitely. It's not even rampant in the U.S. yet - and stocks down 1k yesterday.

Rampant? 15 cases? Seriously?

As for the stock market, that is normal considering the interruptions in the supply chain - I said earlier I'm surprised it didn't happen at the end of the week last week.

I'm still baffled that many don't think this is a very serious problem yet. It's a VERY serious problem now, both health-wise and economy-wise.

For China, definitely, for NK, very likely, for Japan and other surrounding countries, yes...

But not here. Not yet.

Why you and others seem to be offended and want to lash out and attack when simple facts are pointed out is mystifying.

originally posted by: Asgaard
Not sure if posted. Hard to keep up with all the posts.

AGE DEATH RATE*
80+ years old - 14.8%
70-79 years old - 8.0%
60-69 years old - 3.6%
50-59 years old - 1.3%
40-49 years old - 0.4%
30-39 years old - 0.2%
20-29 years old - 0.2%
10-19 years old - 0.2%
0-9 years old - no fatalities

Worldometers

Thanks you Asgaard!!! Finally some meaningful numbers...

So, for elderly and/or immune/health compromised, much higher risk. Younger, more like regular flu risks. And I'm really glad to see there are actually ZERO fatalities in kids. That in and of itself is worthy of a small celebration.

I'll have to peruse that site to see what other stats can be gleaned...

Anyone been discussing the fact that birds can carry coronaviruses and migrating birds are about to start coming back?

Is this particular virus able to be carried by birds?

originally posted by: celltypespecific
I JUST LISTENED TO THE CDC UPDATE.....


THEY finally said expect SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTIONS IN YOUR DAILY life......

This news will trickle down throughout the day......

Someone needs to get the Transcript ASAP

I think ketsuko pointed out in my thread here #20, seems like Japan's leadership was a head of the game before CDC 's announcement. ( www.abovetopsecret.com... )
I've been saying that Japan is about 2 weeks behind what is currently happening in China, but now as I read the current post here, America is actually about 30 days behind China which at all cost is a horrible think. The reason is, when the party of the Marti Gra is over, the party of "panic" probably infest the landscape of America. For those here on the forum, who have had the insight, you probably are the lucky ones. At least having them cupboards prepared. I only say this because yesterday the Japanese govt. started saying "quarantine " of the "clustered" areas, because if we don't #20 of my post there is a "true" possibility and I really can't see anyone in a major city not "crying " for help after a new sunrise. Hard as it may seem, but I was in LA and working there during the Rodney King riots. It was not a pretty sight. If possible, now try to prepare yourself and family for times that have never been seen before. Why am I saying that, mainly because of this: the Mormons have brought back missionaries from Hong Kong and the ones in South Korea and now told to remain indoors. And here which I know them (not all that well, but we have a church here), I feel that they are now stranded in this country too. Anyway, I couldn't sleep and its 4 am in the morning Tokyo time and the crows will be out waking up the salary men that can still go to work.

a reply to: tanstaafl

They did case study of 70,000 in China that backs those numbers in kids. Doesn't mean they can't be little vectors though.

Why you and others seem to be offended and want to lash out and attack when simple facts are pointed out is mystifying.

Sorry you think I am lashing or attacking - not sure why you think that's the case. Just because someone differs in opinion with you doesn't mean they are "attacking" you by offering an alternate viewpoint.

Beat??? Who said anything about beating it? This is a virus. All we can do is learn to live with it, just like we have every other virus we've ever encountered.

Beat = Contain. And you certainly can slow it down and beat it, if you do it right. If not, we'd all be dead from bird flu or Ebola by now. We could probably defeat the flu if we really wanted to in any given year, but that would not make sense. It does make sense to try and stop something 20 to 25 times more deadly however.

We haven't locked anything down here, really. And our population has been stuck at 15 cases and no deaths for how long now? Weeks if I'm not mistaken.

If you want to believe that, ok. We are around 56 cases now however, many from the cruise line + the others. Will it get here? Probably. The flu does without a problem every year, yes? And this spread twice as easily as the flu. Why would you assume it won't? People have to get off this "everything is fine now" mentality. This is something to worry about for the next year, not the next month.

Vigilant? Really? Not sure where you are, but that is not how I would characterize what has been happening here in the USA.

That's why I said some countries. And I agree, the U.S. is not among the vigilant countries. Those countries include SK, Singapore, Italy, and a couple others.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: tanstaafl

They did case study of 70,000 in China that backs those numbers in kids. Doesn't mean they can't be little vectors though.

Every little one I've ever known was absolutely a vector of the worst kind...

I know my three little ones are!

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Anyone been discussing the fact that birds can carry coronaviruses and migrating birds are about to start coming back?

Is this particular virus able to be carried by birds?

Not sure.. don't think so? Even if it can be, doesn't mean I guess it can be easily transmitted from bird to person. It at least hasn't been a story anywhere, worries about transport by animals, so.. hopefully not. : )

originally posted by: fleabit
Sorry you think I am lashing or attacking - not sure why you think that's the case. Just because someone differs in opinion with you doesn't mean they are "attacking" you by offering an alternate viewpoint.

Sorry, that wasn't aimed at you specifically, but there are others...

Beat = Contain.

Ok, but... is the flu contained? The common cold? Get my meaning?

"We haven't locked anything down here, really. And our population has been stuck at 15 cases and no deaths for how long now? Weeks if I'm not mistaken."

If you want to believe that, ok. We are around 56 cases now however, many from the cruise line + the others.

The 15 hasn't changed in weeks. The rest are imported from the cruise ships, yes.

Will it get here? Probably.

Ahem. It is already here. The question is how bad will it be.

The numbers Asgaard just posted shows - at least at this point, it is only a serious concern for the elderly and/or already immune/health compromised. So that is where our focus should be, and it is on each of use to do whatever we can for our loved ones that are most at risk.

a reply to: liejunkie01

I have not heard that it is labeled a pandemic. I saw yesterday I think, that they had NOT labeled this a pandemic yet.

Of course the government is saying its under control here so we could all be dead next week.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: liejunkie01

I have not heard that it is labeled a pandemic. I saw yesterday I think, that they had NOT labeled this a pandemic yet.

Of course the government is saying its under control here so we could all be dead next week.

The head of the CDC just called it a pandemic in her public announcement today. WHO can call it whatever they want, I'm an American not a WHOvian, so if the CDC considers it a pandemic, it's probably a pandemic.

a reply to: iloveit

That is an interesting idea, indeed. So maybe see if anal swabs would be comparable, better, or worse than the upper respiratory swabs they are doing to get test samples?

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777 re

Scientists have developed an oral vaccine for the new coronavirus using baker's yeast, Chinese state media reported. A professor in charge of the project has reportedly taken four doses of the drug without having any side effects.

Saccharomyces cerevisiae isn't only known as baker's yeast it is also brewers yeast and both have been used in many foods and as nutritional supplement purpose for years.

But because of this the side effects are also known so tests need to take in account of other factors the person in the trial might have.
side effects list from LIVESTRONG

Possible side effects
Brewer's yeast is generally considered safe for short-term use. In some people, brewer's yeast may cause headache, stomach upset, and gas. Brewer's yeast may need to be avoided by certain groups. Among the considerations:

Brewers yeast should not be used in people with a yeast allergy.
Brewer's yeast should be avoided in people on diabetes medications as it may cause an abnormal drop in blood sugar (hypoglycemia).
Some research suggests that brewer's yeast may worsen inflammatory bowel disease so it should probably be avoided by people with ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease.5


Brewer's yeast may cause harm to people with compromised immune systems (including organ transplant recipients and people with advanced HIV) by triggering an opportunistic fungal infection.

The last one is the most likely effect - suppose it is a trade of a treatable fungal infection v convid-19 .

So maybe all the yeast in western diets beer, bread, Marmite, etc compared to noodles and rice in an eastern diet might help explain a little of the reduced effect. Not good for the Keto - LCHF dieters tho.

I am making some big assumption on yeast usage in an Eastern diet tho.

Which one of you beautiful bastards is responsible for creating this?

10,000 internets to whoever is responsible for it.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Anyone been discussing the fact that birds can carry coronaviruses and migrating birds are about to start coming back?

Is this particular virus able to be carried by birds?

I suppose it's possible but this particular virus came from bats and bats are mammals.

Anyone else care to chime in?

a reply to: Sillyolme

That was the WHO, and they've been sort of incompetent since the outset.

Messonier is CDC. They weren't even allowed to go anywhere near China in the WHO mission, so I don't think they are operating in the same ballpark at present.

a reply to: texasgirl

They would need similar ACE2 I would think.

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: iloveit

That is an interesting idea, indeed. So maybe see if anal swabs would be comparable, better, or worse than the upper respiratory swabs they are doing to get test samples?

That's a crappy idea and would make a #ty job for some poor nurse or doctor's aide.

@taanstaafl

You can't shut down your country indefinitely. It's not even rampant in the U.S. yet - and stocks down 1k yesterday.

Rampant? 15 cases? Seriously?

They said its NOT rampant in the US.

it is only a serious concern for the elderly and/or already immune/health compromised.

No. Its also a serious concern for those with elderly or sick parents also.

I note that YOU are the one who seems to combat everybody who does not agree with your way of thinking. Think its qute obvious where you stand by now. And while i agree we shoud not panic, there's no need to chastise /chime in / debate everytime somebody disagrees with you. Which is a lot!!! IJS