Corona Virus Updates Part 2

Upthread someone was asking about the number of confirmed cases going down, here is the reason for that:

Chinese National Health Commission has changed their definition of #WuhanCoronavirus "confirmed case" in their latest guidelines dated 7/2. Patients tested positive for the virus but have no symptoms will no longer be regarded as confirmed. This inevitably will lower the numbers.
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The new rule has triggered provinces to find cases that can be deducted from the total no. of confirmed cases. Heilongjiang has axed 13 cases from their tally stating the new definition. #Hubei has deducted 87 cases today, but authorities did not explain why.
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Over 100 cases have been deducted over the past 2 days. The concerning problem is that authorities do not disclose the no. of symptom-less infected patients after they count them separately. There will be no way of knowing the exact magnitude of the outbreak.

Alex Lam - Twitter

See, they're getting things under control since the numbers are going down.




Isn't that great?!?

originally posted by: cirrus12
Is it just hearsay that they would use Walmart stores in the event of some kind of disaster scenario?!

FEMA should use Fry's Electronics locations, they're practically empty anyway.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

that makes absolutely zero sense, if you test positive for the disease or virus or whatever you can still carry it and give it to other people regardless of whether you have symptoms or not right?

wtf????

a reply to: MaverickLRD
Ok. So if we are saying droplet transmission is airborne, then those are the semantics. The fact that aerosol does not mean airborne is my sticking point ( yes they imply the same meaning, but). And the fact that N-95s aren’t going to stop transmission at an increasingly alarmingly virulent strain of a novel virus is my point.
Look, I’m not trying to say much here except that we know very little about transmission of this disease - and unfortunately it’s going to take an honest an open discourse (and more confirmed bodies) to get the science community on board for a**hats like myself to listen. The point I am trying to hammer is very little is known, and I suspect we aren’t going to like the official answer whenever it becomes official. Because imo it’ll be too late by then

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
Upthread someone was asking about the number of confirmed cases going down, here is the reason for that:

Chinese National Health Commission has changed their definition of #WuhanCoronavirus "confirmed case" in their latest guidelines dated 7/2. Patients tested positive for the virus but have no symptoms will no longer be regarded as confirmed. This inevitably will lower the numbers.
...
The new rule has triggered provinces to find cases that can be deducted from the total no. of confirmed cases. Heilongjiang has axed 13 cases from their tally stating the new definition. #Hubei has deducted 87 cases today, but authorities did not explain why.
...
Over 100 cases have been deducted over the past 2 days. The concerning problem is that authorities do not disclose the no. of symptom-less infected patients after they count them separately. There will be no way of knowing the exact magnitude of the outbreak.

Alex Lam - Twitter

See, they're getting things under control since the numbers are going down.




Isn't that great?!?

The numbers we see are coming directly from the medical Centers hospitals and new field hospitals only

Anything that goes on outside these facilities isn’t happening

a reply to: EnhancedInterrogator

LOL. I read an article from 1-2 yrs ago that Walmart locations may be used by FEMA in certain disaster cases.
FEMA under Presidential Executive orders can seize anything and everything based on the emergency.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

a reply to: slatesteam

I am not saying droplet is airborne but that droplet nuclei are aerosolized. Droplet nuclei and droplet are different

Droplet nuclei is a function of airborne pathogens

Droplet transmission is direct from sneezing couching etc

Droplet nuclei/aerosolized can take those same particles and from a sneeze hover in the air for hours due to their minimal size thus being ~airborne

What I’m pointing out is these viruses fit the threshold for airborne transmission not just droplet transmission

Airborne is more dangerous of course

It’s fine if you disagree that the n95 is not suitable
And I’ve already stated as much, it’s not the end all be all...but they have been proven effective for helping to minimize transmission no matter how you slice it
If this is indeed airborne/aerosolized however u want to say it, which it appears to be then every little bit of extra protection helps

I get fitted for an N95 annually, I’ve cultured bugs like tuberculosis, I’ve been issued hazmat gear. ill wear a mask or have my family wear one if I see the need. Some protection is better than no protection.

I appreciate the dialogue. And I agree...we need more trustworthy studies and sources to find more reliable answers. Until those answers come we only know what we know and can determine our choices based off that

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Based on outside China (early doors stats) statistics

"Outside of mainland China there have been 461 confirmed cases of #coronavirus. Of these cases only 46 have been resolved. 44 cases recovered, and 2 died. Using these numbers we would arrived at a case fatality rate of: (2 * 46 )/100 = 4.34%

twitter.com...

Those numbers don't quite seem right to me.
I'm working-off WuFlu.Live.
What I come-up with is something like ...

Maybe deaths have not all shown-up yet in WuFlu.Live for non-China countries.

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originally posted by: MrRCflying
a reply to: musicismagic
Forgot yeast... Yes, it is needed, and will keep for a long time.

I am sure there are other things I have missed, just a basic overview.

Peanut Butter is a good one for shelf life, protein & calories. And... it's yummy!

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: lostsock
a reply to: MrRCflying Counting calories no not really. Im just planning meals as usual but in place of fresh vegetables I'd be using canned until summer when we can start harvesting and canning fresh from the garden. Living in a rural area will have a lot of advantages that city dwellers do not. Gardens, chickens and cows. Not to mention hunting, fishing and gathering. At this point we can go comfortably for 3 months without having to go to a market or store. Im crossing my fingers that the situation does not get worse than it is at this moment but Im prepared if it does.

Sounds good. I too live rural, but am not counting on a garden, just in case.

I am going to give some tips, and this is for everyone, not just directed at you. I think it is good information, and I don't want to hold on to it if it can help someone. I am not a prepper per se, but I have been preparing since the Ebola scare in 2014. I am not panicked, and have continued daily life. I have done some research, and believe I am ready to "shelter in place" if the SHTF.

1. Calories are King.
If you are looking into emergency food, or even just canned goods, forget about the number of servings advertised. It means nothing. You need to calculate the number of calories per day that you and your family need. The very lowest an adult can survive on is about 1,300 calories a day. Maybe a little lower for short periods of time. That number would not be comfortable in the long run, and after a few months you would be pretty thin and frail.

An adult male can make it by pretty easy on 2,000-2200 calories a day, and an adult female on 1,800 to 2,000 calories a day. Children need less, but it depends on age. I have a family of 5. The oldest boy is 17, so I calculate him as an adult. I use a rough figure of 2,000 calories a day for the adults, and 1,500 per day for the two smaller ones. So my family would need approximately 9,000 calories a day to be comfortable. Right now, in emergency food, I have about 1,600,000 calories. I count all the servings by the number of calories per serving for each box, bag, or can. 1.6 million calories will last us about 177 days, or 5.9 months.

2.Reasons for Rice.
Rice is going to be one of your best friends in an emergency. It is easy to cook, high in calories, and will give you that nice full feeling. It may get boring after a while, but it will keep you alive. I have about 150lbs. of rice that makes up a percentage of my total 1.6 million calories.

3.Protein is Paramount
Make sure you have good sources of protein. You can't live on rice alone. Meats of course are good protein, but so are a lot of beans. My protein consists of dehydrated meat in 30 year cans. It is emergency rations, so it stays sealed until needed. They also make a soy based, meat flavored substitute. I hate soy, but in survival mode, it will do. I also can hunt small game on my land if needed.

4.Spice is Nice
In survival mode even emergency food can get boring. Make sure to mix it up, different meals, and spices. Bullion cubes can flavor things up nicely. Gravy mixes and other spices can go a long way to make things more palatable.

5.Fruits are Fun
Again, most of the fruits and veggies I have are in freeze dried form. However, I also do have some canned. Canned takes up more room, and heavier. Plus when you figure in the cost per calorie count, freeze dried is a better deal. A mix of both makes for some choices. Just doing things like adding some dried strawberries or bananas to your oatmeal will keep the boredom at bay. Plus you need the vitamins and minerals from such foods.

6.Starch is Safe.
Potatoes, pasta and the like are good sources of starch. Plus in dry form they are easy to keep. They are also easy to prepare, and give you longer term energy.

7.Do Dairy Dry.
Running to the store to get eggs, milk and butter will be a no go in a "shelter in place" situation. Dry milk or milk substitute are good for cooking and drinking. You will need more than you think, so make sure you get enough. Eggs and butter also come freeze dried. These items do not last long enough when fresh, and people use more than they realize.

8.Flour is Power
Flour for making bread is a must. Remember you will also need oil, eggs and butter. You can also grind your own if you get hard red wheat. You can also make cakes and other things with flour to help break up the food boredom. I have a number of 5lb. bags, and will be getting more. I vacuum seal them, and then freeze them for a day to two. The freezing will kill any worm larva, which happens naturally in flour. That way it will keep longer.

There is so much more, I could go on and on, but that is a good start. The main thing to remember is calorie counting, and avoiding food boredom.

Don't panic, but be prepared. I hope this will help someone out.

This is great information. Can you perhaps save this as a document that is downloadable? If not, I'll try to do a screen scrab and save it my device. I need to take it to the store with me on my next trip! Thank you!

a reply to: EnhancedInterrogator

• My apologies if this sounds a bit grim or insensitive.
  
• It is not meant to be.
  
• These are just stats, and maybe not real ones at that.
  

Added a "Final Disposition" section, this would approximate where the patient's disposition is known as either Dead or Recovered, what is the percentage of each so far.



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Okay...so we're all gonna' DIE!!

Everyone PANIC!! Run AMOK!!

The sky is falling, the sky is falling...we're all gonna DIE!!

DIE, DEATH, CHAOS, SUFFERING AND PAIN....EVERYONE PANIC..it's the END!! The END OF TIMES!!

RUN, PANIC....wave your arms...WE're all gonna DIE!!

It's HOPELESS!!

JEEZUS KRIEST!!!!

Thousands and thousands of DOOM PORN posts about this!

I honestly think people just need something to "DOOM" about to be happy with their own lives!!

Folks....this is NOT the end of civilization!! It just isn't!!

Can we go for a Part "7" of this???, maybe another 5,000 posts???

Are you REALLY that paranoid???

I really think people want something terribly tragic to happen, so they'll have something to talk about!!

Seriously, people...Wake the F up!!!!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Something terribly tragic is already taking place in China

a reply to: TritonTaranis

That video indicates hundreds of bodies have been burned since January 23. wow it sounds stressful. God bless those people.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Seriously, people...Wake the F up!!!!

Clearly you have forgotten that this is a conspiracy website. Perhaps you'd be best to stick to the MSM, this place appears to be too much for you.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Okay...so we're all gonna' DIE!!

Everyone PANIC!! Run AMOK!!

The sky is falling, the sky is falling...we're all gonna DIE!!

DIE, DEATH, CHAOS, SUFFERING AND PAIN....EVERYONE PANIC..it's the END!! The END OF TIMES!!

RUN, PANIC....wave your arms...WE're all gonna DIE!!

It's HOPELESS!!

JEEZUS KRIEST!!!!

Thousands and thousands of DOOM PORN posts about this!

I honestly think people just need something to "DOOM" about to be happy with their own lives!!

Folks....this is NOT the end of civilization!! It just isn't!!

Can we go for a Part "7" of this???, maybe another 5,000 posts???

Are you REALLY that paranoid???

I really think people want something terribly tragic to happen, so they'll have something to talk about!!

Seriously, people...Wake the F up!!!!

Are we reading the same thread? I see several posters saying it's good to be prepared just in case. How is that doom porn? If that is the correct term, I don't know.

I'm cooking up a big fat, and juicy, CROW!

Somebody is going to eat that damn thing! I might be me (on my death bed)....or someone else, but someone is damn sure going to eat that bird! Down to the last damn fork full!!

I'll take my chances, and you heard it here first, folks!!

CROW...it's what's for dinner!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Run AMOK!!

Ok...

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Bookmarked for when you’re dead.
Thanks for jumping into the pool.

We need more info! That’s what I’m here for.
We’re using this as a warehouse of contact points to the unfolding drama. Don’t rain on our parade yo. Pretty sure the update thread is something the rest of ATS actually (“enjoys” is wrong choice of words) would gravitate towards because of the incessant need for this BS to not (for the love of God) be somehow tied into being political.

Note: rain now contains N-Cov, and $ it turns out crow is the perfect vector for transmission lol

FCD, you’re one of my favorite posters, but honestly, bring something to the table to eat.... like you normally do