Corona Virus Updates Part 2

originally posted by: cirrus12
Has this been posted yet? Report from Imperial College London

www.imperial.ac.uk...

But, but....BBC said last night that the fatality rate was only one percent.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

I try to prepare for things, but I will freely admit viruses, disease, bacteria etc scare the bejeesus out of me.

Give me nukes, give me solar storms, give me earth quakes, fires, floods I am good I have an idea of how to proceed that's grounded in facts... pandemic style doom is way outside my depth and scares me and I am not afraid to admit that.

originally posted by: Necrose

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Necrose

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Necrose

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Necrose

originally posted by: slatesteam
a reply to: Necrose

Nothing at all. Except that it’s smaller than the masks people are wearing are to prevent it. Just that...

We know that already, but so is the flu virus and most viruses (probably all)?
It's their thing you know, being very small. Just that...

When do you remember 400 million people being quarantined for flu?

When do your remember cruise ships infected with number like that ?

When do you remember flights stopping for flu?

When do your remember manufacturing being close down for flu

Pretty sure I could go on for a while here

The answer is Spanish Flu

FAKE AGAIN !!!!!!

Quarantined 60 million! A couple more million on lockdown. Nowhere near 400 million. Foxconn resumed iPhone production lines with 10% of workers today in Shenzhen.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DISTINGUISHING "QUARANTINE" and "LOCKDOWN", YET AGAIN YOU DECIDE TO IGNORE IT!!!

BS again from you

From you guess you didn’t hear it was cancelled two days ago?

asia.nikkei.com...

And yes there are 400 million on lockdown

You tell me what city isn’t on lockdown and I’ll show you it is fair?

There is a difference between quarantine and lockdown

But if you was in China right now, and the government said stay at home you’d stay at home they wouldn’t need the military enforcing it as they know they don’t want to contract the virus

So which Chinese city is going about there daily lives you silly shill ? I’ll show you it’s DEAD

And here is from yesterday

hehe YOU ARE WRONG, AGAIN !!!!

www.reuters.com...

FEBRUARY 10, 2020 / 2:40 AM / UPDATED 7 HOURS AGO
Apple's main iPhone maker Foxconn to resume some Chinese production: source

Apple’s main iPhone maker Foxconn (2317.TW) got the green light on Monday to reopen two major plants in China closed because of the coronavirus and aims to resume production even though only 10% of the workforce has returned so far, a source told Reuters.

Your link pahahahahaha

only 10% of the workforce has returned so far, a source told Reuters.

Oh dear 10% correct

90% correct for me

Boo hoo

The point is they can't be in FORCED INSIDE THEIR HOMES (IN A QUARANTINE) if they go to work, smh. That's the part where you are wrong.

I’ve seen 5/6 videos of people jumping out windows of high rise buildings, cabin fever or whatever?

I watch a woman try to climb down a high rise 2/4 floors below and fall to her death, people are also hanging themselves in the street to trees

These videos are being deleted by FB & Twitter

One family member is allowed out every two days to pick up food rations, those food rations is 2 potatoes, one carrot, 3 cucumber

Found one undeleted

summit.news...

a reply to: MaverickLRD That's why I thought FEMA might be involved. I'm semi retired, work one day a week, when I go in next I'll ask our disaster coordinator. They are good about saying more than they should. Lol. Some of the things they have to plan for are down right scary if the general public knew all of the details.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I pretty much ignore the trolls. They attempt to send trigger comments,
but I just consider the source. After all, most of us here can look outside to determine if it's daylight outside. The trolls then insult you when you don't accept them saying it's dark. Meh.

Who reports that there is now over 1000 deaths and over 42,658 infected. www.cnbc.com...
By January 24, the number of people infected by the respiratory virus reached 830, with 25 confirmed deaths. futurism.com...

a reply to: MaverickLRD
Does this include a virus being in aerosol form?

originally posted by: Cmajlz
a reply to: MaverickLRD That's why I thought FEMA might be involved. I'm semi retired, work one day a week, when I go in next I'll ask our disaster coordinator. They are good about saying more than they should. Lol. Some of the things they have to plan for are down right scary if the general public knew all of the details.

Is it just hearsay that they would use Walmart stores in the event of some kind of disaster scenario?!

originally posted by: lostsock
a reply to: MrRCflying Counting calories no not really. Im just planning meals as usual but in place of fresh vegetables I'd be using canned until summer when we can start harvesting and canning fresh from the garden. Living in a rural area will have a lot of advantages that city dwellers do not. Gardens, chickens and cows. Not to mention hunting, fishing and gathering. At this point we can go comfortably for 3 months without having to go to a market or store. Im crossing my fingers that the situation does not get worse than it is at this moment but Im prepared if it does.

Sounds good. I too live rural, but am not counting on a garden, just in case.

I am going to give some tips, and this is for everyone, not just directed at you. I think it is good information, and I don't want to hold on to it if it can help someone. I am not a prepper per se, but I have been preparing since the Ebola scare in 2014. I am not panicked, and have continued daily life. I have done some research, and believe I am ready to "shelter in place" if the SHTF.

1. Calories are King.
If you are looking into emergency food, or even just canned goods, forget about the number of servings advertised. It means nothing. You need to calculate the number of calories per day that you and your family need. The very lowest an adult can survive on is about 1,300 calories a day. Maybe a little lower for short periods of time. That number would not be comfortable in the long run, and after a few months you would be pretty thin and frail.

An adult male can make it by pretty easy on 2,000-2200 calories a day, and an adult female on 1,800 to 2,000 calories a day. Children need less, but it depends on age. I have a family of 5. The oldest boy is 17, so I calculate him as an adult. I use a rough figure of 2,000 calories a day for the adults, and 1,500 per day for the two smaller ones. So my family would need approximately 9,000 calories a day to be comfortable. Right now, in emergency food, I have about 1,600,000 calories. I count all the servings by the number of calories per serving for each box, bag, or can. 1.6 million calories will last us about 177 days, or 5.9 months.

2.Reasons for Rice.
Rice is going to be one of your best friends in an emergency. It is easy to cook, high in calories, and will give you that nice full feeling. It may get boring after a while, but it will keep you alive. I have about 150lbs. of rice that makes up a percentage of my total 1.6 million calories.

3.Protein is Paramount
Make sure you have good sources of protein. You can't live on rice alone. Meats of course are good protein, but so are a lot of beans. My protein consists of dehydrated meat in 30 year cans. It is emergency rations, so it stays sealed until needed. They also make a soy based, meat flavored substitute. I hate soy, but in survival mode, it will do. I also can hunt small game on my land if needed.

4.Spice is Nice
In survival mode even emergency food can get boring. Make sure to mix it up, different meals, and spices. Bullion cubes can flavor things up nicely. Gravy mixes and other spices can go a long way to make things more palatable.

5.Fruits are Fun
Again, most of the fruits and veggies I have are in freeze dried form. However, I also do have some canned. Canned takes up more room, and heavier. Plus when you figure in the cost per calorie count, freeze dried is a better deal. A mix of both makes for some choices. Just doing things like adding some dried strawberries or bananas to your oatmeal will keep the boredom at bay. Plus you need the vitamins and minerals from such foods.

6.Starch is Safe.
Potatoes, pasta and the like are good sources of starch. Plus in dry form they are easy to keep. They are also easy to prepare, and give you longer term energy.

7.Do Dairy Dry.
Running to the store to get eggs, milk and butter will be a no go in a "shelter in place" situation. Dry milk or milk substitute are good for cooking and drinking. You will need more than you think, so make sure you get enough. Eggs and butter also come freeze dried. These items do not last long enough when fresh, and people use more than they realize.

8.Flour is Power
Flour for making bread is a must. Remember you will also need oil, eggs and butter. You can also grind your own if you get hard red wheat. You can also make cakes and other things with flour to help break up the food boredom. I have a number of 5lb. bags, and will be getting more. I vacuum seal them, and then freeze them for a day to two. The freezing will kill any worm larva, which happens naturally in flour. That way it will keep longer.

There is so much more, I could go on and on, but that is a good start. The main thing to remember is calorie counting, and avoiding food boredom.

Don't panic, but be prepared. I hope this will help someone out.

a reply to: MaverickLRD

The best 'mask' is the astronaut in the ATS background image.

But, I find it alittle cumbersome.

Joking aside, I agree with your post.

Update: 2-11-2020 Tokyo time 10 am Tuesday (nice weather, almost springtime weather, weird I tell ya)

For those following my updates in parts of east Asia, here are my threads. I mostly cover what is happening in Japan or if my skype, what's app and google chat friends chime in, I'll post their areas also. But I would like to mention about Hong Kong, its tough getting info from my friend in Hong Kong though, reason why... I don't know .

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Now for the morning's update:

1. There have been now 65 new cases on board the ship
2. There are now 135 cases of the virus on the ship (keep in mind that the crew members and the 2 doctors are listed as:
"unwell". I do not know their conditions as of this morning for an update
3. Many of you may not know this: 180 (maybe Japanese only) have left the ship and are in hotels under strict quarantine,
not sure how many more days are left for them)
4. As reported , in China 1099 deaths have been reported (hmm... does it really matter since this figures are released
from Beijing
5. It is well known that those who are ill have reached well over the 40000 mark as of this morning Feb. 11
6. Medication from overseas to the passengers are currently not available. Remember Japan also makes their own
medications
7. People in China, for the ones that can get out, are now spitting on items on the shelves. (on video, no BS )
8. There are videos now of South Koreans intentionally coughing with no masks on the trains passengers and laughing
laughing about it Sic
9. So far, on the Diamond Princess "ONLY 439 PASSENGERS HAVE BEEN TESTED, OF THAT AMOUNT 135 HAVE THE VIRUS
AND THE 180 PASSENGERS THAT WERE ABLE TO DISEMBARK, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE EVEN BEEN TESTED


If the sillyness of spitting and coughing catches on in the trains and homeless areas in the States, I only see "BIG" trouble ahead and that is just common sense approach to real thinking.

More updates to follow later in the day.

I'll be going to the University Hospital here in town today and see if any new notices have been posted.

As mentioned :
25% of Japanese are now very concerned
50% are concerned but going on with every day habits of living
the rest, heck I don't know

for my family, not in panic mode, can that change, well its hard to say at the moment

originally posted by: slatesteam
a reply to: MaverickLRD
Does this include a virus being in aerosol form?

Yes. Aerosol form = airborne. Typically viruses or bacteria’s under 5 microns

The masks definitely aren’t the end all be all, especially basic surgical ones that don’t seal around the face or that get reused for days and I personally won’t be wearing one (n95) unless I find myself in a susceptible environment.

Proper hand hygiene goes a long way as well when preventing viruses like the flu

I know this is not the flu, I’m not aiming to compare in the manner of mortality or R0, simply virus size can be comparable

Add in factors like extremes population density like the cruise ship situation and I couldn’t tell you how effective or not one of those masks would be

a reply to: cirrus12
I've not heard any of that as fact in my area. I think Hurricane Katrina response might give a good indication. It's not just about quarantining people. Most of the US population is on legal medication. Trying to handle the logistics of that is difficult. Housing people may be the easy part, getting food a little more of a challenge. But education, physical and mental health will be difficult and taxing and I'm sure this isn't a concern in China but will be in the US.

a reply to: MaverickLRD

... but the smaller ones or mid America ones have me puzzled

Makes one wonder if perhaps they know something not generally shared with the public, does it not?



Following up on my prior post:

Dr. Carl Wittwer, one of ARUP's medical directors, invented the LightCycler and real-time PCR techniques, used in clinical diagnostics worldwide.[4] He is also the scientific co-founder of Idaho Technology, Inc. (now known as Biofire Diagnostics) a Salt Lake City-based small biotech company also operating in Research Park that specializes in real-time PCR instrumentation, advanced hi-res melting instruments for mutation detection, and other related technologies.

ARUP Laboratories - Wikipedia

And

QIAGEN technologies can be used to identify genes that participate in the emergence of diseases, carry out studies on the functions and interactions between genes (or proteins) in entire biological pathways, identify and validate potential biomarkers and identify and evaluate therapeutic target molecules and suitable active agent candidates. QIAGEN's products can also be used in the execution of the clinical studies

Qiagen - Wikipedia

So it would appear as though necessary steps are being taken by the federal government in order to properly asses the situation as it develops. Note, the contract to Qiagen was published on January 25th. Not sure how long these things take to get to the publishing stage, but I suspect it could easily be at least a week...meaning that our government was putting things in motion as early as mid January.



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a reply to: TritonTaranis

Well said. I'm not leaning one way or the other just yet, but I have already prepared my mind for the POSSIBILITY that the worst will come. If I had to put my chips down I'd say this is probably the big one slowly building right now People don't know how important mindset really is in these situations. You absolutely MUST prepare your head and your heart and fully accept and embrace that things can go to absolute hell in a matter of days. It has nothing to do with panic or hysteria and I think people throw those words around like candy on Halloween just because they themselves are scared. Whether you are scared or not makes no difference to the virus. Given a chance it will kill you just the same. So we need to build a mindset that facilitates action and survival. If people have a "nothing will ever happen lol" mindset that they cling to, and something DOES happen, they crack into a thousand little pieces. But the people who condition their mind to accept the worst when it does come, already won that mental battle and can get to work doing what needs to be done. If nothing happens then good. Great news. Life goes on anyway. If the nightmare comes, then you are ready to face it. It's basically Pascal's wager. There is no logical argument to not be prepared.

And this might seem harsh, but not a single #ing one of the people who swear up and down nothing will ever happen, and not a single person who couldn't give two #s about this before it showed up on their doorstep deserves the help or assistance of anyone else when # goes down. Actions have consequences and so does inaction. I'll keep my stocked supplies for my family, and I'll move them away from the cities, and the ones who were smug about doing #all to prepare can keep sitting in their corner crying and spamming smileys on forums. Nobody should help them, they chose what they chose.

a reply to: MrRCflying

Thanks for sharing this insight. I was going to ask for types of recommendations to satisfy those caloric needs outside of the obvious canned goods. Rice sounds pretty smart

originally posted by: MrRCflying

originally posted by: lostsock
a reply to: MrRCflying Counting calories no not really. Im just planning meals as usual but in place of fresh vegetables I'd be using canned until summer when we can start harvesting and canning fresh from the garden. Living in a rural area will have a lot of advantages that city dwellers do not. Gardens, chickens and cows. Not to mention hunting, fishing and gathering. At this point we can go comfortably for 3 months without having to go to a market or store. Im crossing my fingers that the situation does not get worse than it is at this moment but Im prepared if it does.

Sounds good. I too live rural, but am not counting on a garden, just in case.

I am going to give some tips, and this is for everyone, not just directed at you. I think it is good information, and I don't want to hold on to it if it can help someone. I am not a prepper per se, but I have been preparing since the Ebola scare in 2014. I am not panicked, and have continued daily life. I have done some research, and believe I am ready to "shelter in place" if the SHTF.

1. Calories are King.
If you are looking into emergency food, or even just canned goods, forget about the number of servings advertised. It means nothing. You need to calculate the number of calories per day that you and your family need. The very lowest an adult can survive on is about 1,300 calories a day. Maybe a little lower for short periods of time. That number would not be comfortable in the long run, and after a few months you would be pretty thin and frail.

An adult male can make it by pretty easy on 2,000-2200 calories a day, and an adult female on 1,800 to 2,000 calories a day. Children need less, but it depends on age. I have a family of 5. The oldest boy is 17, so I calculate him as an adult. I use a rough figure of 2,000 calories a day for the adults, and 1,500 per day for the two smaller ones. So my family would need approximately 9,000 calories a day to be comfortable. Right now, in emergency food, I have about 1,600,000 calories. I count all the servings by the number of calories per serving for each box, bag, or can. 1.6 million calories will last us about 177 days, or 5.9 months.

2.Reasons for Rice.
Rice is going to be one of your best friends in an emergency. It is easy to cook, high in calories, and will give you that nice full feeling. It may get boring after a while, but it will keep you alive. I have about 150lbs. of rice that makes up a percentage of my total 1.6 million calories.

3.Protein is Paramount
Make sure you have good sources of protein. You can't live on rice alone. Meats of course are good protein, but so are a lot of beans. My protein consists of dehydrated meat in 30 year cans. It is emergency rations, so it stays sealed until needed. They also make a soy based, meat flavored substitute. I hate soy, but in survival mode, it will do. I also can hunt small game on my land if needed.

4.Spice is Nice
In survival mode even emergency food can get boring. Make sure to mix it up, different meals, and spices. Bullion cubes can flavor things up nicely. Gravy mixes and other spices can go a long way to make things more palatable.

5.Fruits are Fun
Again, most of the fruits and veggies I have are in freeze dried form. However, I also do have some canned. Canned takes up more room, and heavier. Plus when you figure in the cost per calorie count, freeze dried is a better deal. A mix of both makes for some choices. Just doing things like adding some dried strawberries or bananas to your oatmeal will keep the boredom at bay. Plus you need the vitamins and minerals from such foods.

6.Starch is Safe.
Potatoes, pasta and the like are good sources of starch. Plus in dry form they are easy to keep. They are also easy to prepare, and give you longer term energy.

7.Do Dairy Dry.
Running to the store to get eggs, milk and butter will be a no go in a "shelter in place" situation. Dry milk or milk substitute are good for cooking and drinking. You will need more than you think, so make sure you get enough. Eggs and butter also come freeze dried. These items do not last long enough when fresh, and people use more than they realize.

8.Flour is Power
Flour for making bread is a must. Remember you will also need oil, eggs and butter. You can also grind your own if you get hard red wheat. You can also make cakes and other things with flour to help break up the food boredom. I have a number of 5lb. bags, and will be getting more. I vacuum seal them, and then freeze them for a day to two. The freezing will kill any worm larva, which happens naturally in flour. That way it will keep longer.

There is so much more, I could go on and on, but that is a good start. The main thing to remember is calorie counting, and avoiding food boredom.

Don't panic, but be prepared. I hope this will help someone out.

I use dry yeast when making bread with the flour also.

originally posted by: MaverickLRD
a reply to: MrRCflying

Thanks for sharing this insight. I was going to ask for types of recommendations to satisfy those caloric needs outside of the obvious canned goods. Rice sounds pretty smart

Rice is a staple in many countries. We do not use it as much here in the west, but many people have it for most every meal.

Breaking....SEVEN new cases in Singapore.




www.straitstimes.com...

a reply to: musicismagic
Forgot yeast... Yes, it is needed, and will keep for a long time.

I am sure there are other things I have missed, just a basic overview.

a reply to: Cmajlz

Yeah good points - and the US is so vast, I can't imagine a large scale quarantine or lockdown situation in reality or how it coudl logistically work, thinking about it.