Our Suns Binary and Spiritual Second Sun (Coverup)

a reply to: Justoneman
An interesting link for you below:-
www.researchgate.net...

I have to say as an astronomer i have difficulty in thinking of Sirius as a "Binary Star" to our Sun as such but am open minded about if Sirius has any influence over us, but i need evidence.
The arm of the Spiral Galaxy that our Sun is in, regarding the Milky Way also includes Alnilam and the Belt of Orion, so we probably have a better connection to this as shown below:-
earthsky.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Astronomer62

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Astronomer62

It would be really cool to see a diagram or animation of some kind clearly illustrating the physical relationship between Earth and the Sirius star during these moments in history. The diagrams you have shared so far are visually unhelpful.

Hi TzarChasm,
I'm not the sharpest tool in the box regarding computers, i did learn learn late in my life, however showing an animated picture may be possible in the coming weeks as Purplemer met me in London when he was visiting relatives and i gave him some astronomy software.
I tend to only show graphs in black and white as it takes less ink and i would be running out all the time, and being badly disabled, i'm on limited budget!

The least confusing is midnight day markers when either Sirius or Alnilam is on an angle, the principle agreement of the "Treaty of Versailles" was with Germany ending war which happened exactly five years after the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand on 28th June 1919.
This must be a topic, when the trigger for war and ending war happens on same day which has serious implications:-
"Treaty of Versailles.
Signed 28 June 1919[2]
Location Hall of Mirrors in the Palace of Versailles, Paris, France[3]

The Treaty of Versailles (French: Traité de Versailles) was the most important of the peace treaties that brought World War I to an end. The Treaty ended the state of war between Germany and the Allied Powers. It was signed on 28 June 1919 in Versailles, exactly five years after the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, which had directly led to the war. The other Central Powers on the German side signed separate treaties.[6] Although the armistice, signed on 11 November 1918, ended the actual fighting, it took six months of Allied negotiations at the Paris Peace Conference to conclude the peace treaty. The treaty was registered by the Secretariat of the League of Nations on 21 October 1919."
en.wikipedia.org...

Midnight day marker at location was used as Alnilam and Mars associated with war was on the Nadir within one degree, so location was chosen carefully for alignment.
Short video below showing how the constellation of Orion is associated with Osiris, and Alnilam is the middle star of this:-
www.youtube.com...
Astronomy graph below:-

With the above diagram showing true North or Nadir, with Mars and Alnilam on the line with margin of 02 mins 47 seconds, this means that it is aligned in under 1* degree margin which i use, for analysis, as these points move by approx. one degree every day regarding the twist of the Earth's axis and the apparent motions of the Sun (ONE DEGREE IS FOUR MINUTES OF TIME), link below:-
www.polaris.iastate.edu...

Thanks for the link.

I do understand that subject quite well and feel you were inferring we Christians are wasting our time on Earth following a God of hope and love.

I will choose to believe in a God who sent a sacrificial lamb as a symbol that we should sacrifice ourselves for our fellow man and love one another over any story you can tell me. Measure the worth of such a religion by what it teaches.


Not saying I believe in that eye for an eye either of the old Testament because, well, Jesus really. The New Testament is called "the Good News".


If you never understand anything about Christianity understand it is about hope that we can all love our fellow man. Anything else but doing your best to love your neighbors is failing to follow God. There is nothing more important.

The best part for you, if you don't want to participate and even wish to criticize, the Christians won't behead you. Nope, even if they might have in the Dark Ages during the Tyrannical Dictatorial Islamic rule over portions of Europe. After several centuries of conversion by sword and beheading of the infidels, the Christians reciprocated. That is the Christianity the Leftist wish to focus. Just like how they focus on the KKK being R's and Libertarians when they are D's that always have been and always will be.


ETA

On another note I am not an expert on this subject of Binary stars. I appreciate your knowledge in this matter.

originally posted by: Astronomer62
a reply to: Justoneman
An interesting link for you below:-
www.researchgate.net...

edit on 3-3-2020 by Justoneman because: (no reason given)

a reply to: Justoneman
Hi Justoneman,
I was born into Church of England, and still am a luke warm Christian, these days i'm more spiritual in nature without dogma.
I'm very careful with religion, and have never said Christians are wasting their time, my interest is about another religion called Hermeticism that few have heard of, and uses the stars to align to dates, in fact nowhere in Christian dogma's does it say we should treat Sirius as a god or heaven.
I thought i would explain a little more the "Sothic Cycle", i have on a previous page shown that Sirius behaves the same as other stars in regards to axial precession.
It is controversial to say that Sirius was the start of the Egyptian calender for more than once in every 1,460 Julian Years, as the calendar didn't use leap years, however trying to find when this happened going backwards in time has huge problems, links below:-
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
There are records that Sirius rose with the Sun on the first day of the Egyptian Calender on 20th July 0139 AD, but where did they view it from.....it could be Aswan, Thebes near Luxor, or Memphis near Cairo, but none of these places will show this, quote from Sothic Cycle link below:-
"Discovery
This cycle was first noticed by Eduard Meyer in 1904, who then carefully combed known Egyptian inscriptions and written materials to find any mention of the calendar dates when Sirius rose at dawn. He found six of them, on which the dates of much of the conventional Egyptian chronology are based. A heliacal rise of Sirius was recorded by Censorinus as having happened on the Egyptian New Year's Day between AD 139 and 142.[3] The record actually refers to 21 July AD 140 but is astronomically calculated as a definite 20 July AD 139."
The reasons for this is it was the Greeks who were able to place both Sirius and the Sun exactly on the horizon by calcalating mathematics and geometry, but you wouldn't be able to see this as the sky would be too bright, this method was called a cosmic alignment.
The Egyptian's never used this method, they did it by seeing the first glow in the East of the Sun rising, and seeing Sirius rising, so i do not have an accurate measure for this and could have changed over time and location of viewing it from, you can see by diagram provided how far Sirius is above horizon at sunrise on 20th July 0139 AD, to make calcalations involving all this is highly dubious.

Perhaps the best way to tell if Sirius or Alnilam influences our leaders is by looking at birth and death charts which usaully we have no control over, i must admit i was shaken to find that two thirds of presidents of the United States did have a connection to these stars with this method, but to come back to you with a thesis i would have to see if the same happens in most major countries of the world, in time i will start a thread on UK Prime Minister to see what % happens with British leaders.
The link for American Presidents is below:-
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Astronomer62
Perhaps the best way to tell if Sirius or Alnilam influences our leaders is by looking at birth and death charts which usaully we have no control over, i must admit i was shaken to find that two thirds of presidents of the United States did have a connection to these stars with this method, but to come back to you with a thesis i would have to see if the same happens in most major countries of the world, in time i will start a thread on UK Prime Minister to see what % happens with British leaders.
The link for American Presidents is below:-
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You make some interesting observations. There are people who look at those charts but I don't know what it really means if it was happening. People as individuals are still able to be like Neo in the Matrix and rise above the programming as a wild card. Still I am curious to see what data is out there for your theory to be analyzed and given a good run.

a reply to: Justoneman
The present Prime Minister of UK has a connection to Sirius, quote from link below:-
"Midheaven conjunct fixed star Sirius (0°42′): High office under Government giving great profit and reputation. In general, Sirius gives fame, honor, renown, wealth, ardor, faithfulness, devotion, passion and resentment, and makes its natives custodians, curators and guardians."
astrologyking.com...

However this alignment isn't by astronomy but by an astrology calcalation called projected onto the ecliptic measure, the debate over which measure to use is expressed below:-
astrologeratlarge.com...

Your crayon graphs are still leaving much to be desired in terms of visual aid. I look at the images and have no idea how the geometry of celestial bodies relates to our planet or why it is significant. Maybe we need an astronomy for dummies thread to translate what we are looking at here? I can't be the only one who is deeply confused by these diagrams.

originally posted by: Justoneman
By your link:-
"Sopdet is the ancient Egyptian name of the star Sirius and its personification as an Egyptian goddess. Known to the Greeks as Sothis, she was conflated with Isis as a goddess and Anubis as a god."

Yes, late in the history of Egypt -- at the time of Greek rulership over Egypt (after 300 BC, when Alexander the Great conquered Egypt (with their help, actually, because they wanted to get rid of their Persian rulers) and after Alexander's general Ptolemy took control of Egypt.) Originally she's mentioned in the Pyramid Texts as an individual goddess... and this continues throughout the Old Kingdom and Middle Kingdom, as shown in the Coffin Texts, eventually becoming a "clock star". (see Encyclopedia of Ancient History at onlinelibrary.wiley.com... and Shaw, Ian, ed. The Oxford history of ancient Egypt. Oxford University Press, 2003, page 9)

During the Period of Egyptian mythology that lasted 3,000 years, there were blending of god and goddesses of Egypt, but Isis was associated with Sirius, and when the Greeks invaded, they also blended gods and goddesses with Egyptian ones, Osiris become Serapis etc. etc.

Yes. As others are aware, I have an undergraduate degree in Egyptology from the University of Manchester (I am NOT an Egyptologist. I just have a low level university degree in the field.)

a reply to: Byrd
Glad to have you in the debate.
Your mention of a clock star does have meaning with Sirius in the Gregorian Calendar which was intentional:-
earthsky.org...

originally posted by: TzarChasm
Your crayon graphs are still leaving much to be desired in terms of visual aid. I look at the images and have no idea how the geometry of celestial bodies relates to our planet or why it is significant. Maybe we need an astronomy for dummies thread to translate what we are looking at here? I can't be the only one who is deeply confused by these diagrams.

Hi TzarChasm,
You are not a dummy, we all have stuff we study, that can take a long time to explain, we need Phage back debating who does use Stellarium, and also another astrologer debating, the only one i can think of would be Boadicea, who is a member, although she doesn't use fixed stars, she would be useful explaining astrological practices apart from myself.
Because i can get viriuses because of the nature of my research, i have very strong virus protection, it stops me making private messages.
Perhaps others could send pm's to Phage and Boadicea to help with the structure of the thread.
Stars rise in the East and set in the West in the northern hemisphere, both these points are important in astrological practices if that happens with the Sun.
The highest point that a star can reach in the sky being the Zenith is called culmination in astronomy or being on the M.C. by astrology, this happens at True South in the Northern Hemisphere, or True North in Southern Hemisphere, these are also crucial points in astrological intentional astrology, which is called electional astrology.
To watch this speeded up please view links below:-
www.google.com...
www.youtube.com...
The type of electional astrology i look for is the very oldest of all astrology, explained below:-
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: purplemer

They get within about a light year of each other.

No they don't.

I also pointed out earlier in the thread that the dog star sirius does line up at exactly 12am above your head.

On January 1st? No. At 12am GMT (which is 2am my time) Sirius was about 35º above the horizon here. That is not "directly overhead" by any stretch of the imagination. Not even close. (you can right click the image)

There is only one location on the planet at which Sirius can appear "directly above your head on the first of January" at 12am GMT.

You should try using Stellarium. You might learn something about the sky. Something real. Maybe you can find that special place on the planet to which you are referring. It does, btw, take precession into account.

A time delta has been noted on the star system Sirius indicating that the sun and sirius are curving together and therefore in orbit.

That statement makes no sense.

This is the reason that i would like Phage back, being that he uses stellarium and i can explain why he hasn't yet found the right results.
However with Sirius culminating at new year at midnight, i will explain this was calcalated to happen by human beliefs.
This alignment is the most simple for all in the end to understand, it involves midnight with Sirius reaching its highest point, it only needs one animated picture to see how the stars perform on 1st January.
The main reason that Phage isn't getting it is best explained by when railway timetables were brought in, in the UK, before "Local Time" and after it become Greenwich Mean Time, as there were no trains in 1582, Pope Gregory XIII developed our calendar by normal means during that period being LOCAL TIME, link below:-
greenwichmeantime.com...

originally posted by: Astronomer62

originally posted by: TzarChasm
Your crayon graphs are still leaving much to be desired in terms of visual aid. I look at the images and have no idea how the geometry of celestial bodies relates to our planet or why it is significant. Maybe we need an astronomy for dummies thread to translate what we are looking at here? I can't be the only one who is deeply confused by these diagrams.

Hi TzarChasm,
You are not a dummy, we all have stuff we study, that can take a long time to explain, we need Phage back debating who does use Stellarium, and also another astrologer debating, the only one i can think of would be Boadicea, who is a member, although she doesn't use fixed stars, she would be useful explaining astrological practices apart from myself.
Because i can get viriuses because of the nature of my research, i have very strong virus protection, it stops me making private messages.

Actually, using the message system here on ATS is pretty much the same thing as using the message board. There's no emails, no popups, and my virus protection software (which howls about a lot of things) doesn't block it. If you can respond to this message, you can use the ATS PM feature.

originally posted by: Astronomer62

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: purplemer

They get within about a light year of each other.

No they don't.

I also pointed out earlier in the thread that the dog star sirius does line up at exactly 12am above your head.

On January 1st? No. At 12am GMT (which is 2am my time) Sirius was about 35º above the horizon here. That is not "directly overhead" by any stretch of the imagination. Not even close. (you can right click the image)

There is only one location on the planet at which Sirius can appear "directly above your head on the first of January" at 12am GMT.

You should try using Stellarium. You might learn something about the sky. Something real. Maybe you can find that special place on the planet to which you are referring. It does, btw, take precession into account.

A time delta has been noted on the star system Sirius indicating that the sun and sirius are curving together and therefore in orbit.

That statement makes no sense.

This is the reason that i would like Phage back, being that he uses stellarium and i can explain why he hasn't yet found the right results.

Actually, he is correct. There's only one latitude on Earth where Sirius will appear directly overhead. Everywhere else, it does not.

However with Sirius culminating at new year at midnight...

It doesn't. I used Stellarium and set the location to Cairo Egypt and checked a number of years (not picked for any event... just random), including 1372 (not overhead), In 1007, Sirius is at its zenith at 15:46 local time (7:46 pm) on New Years day. It's the same for the years 1310 and every other year since then (and before then) In 2019 it was at zenith at 15:57... so a 10 minute creep over 900 years.

Sirius is on the 20 degrees latitude south marker, so you'd only see it overhead in parts of southern Africa, northern Australia, New Zealand, Brazil/Argentina, Madagascar, and parts of Peru. Nowhere else would it be overhead.

Also, you can set Stellarium to local observed time for any spot on the earth. It is *exactly* overhead at every New Years at midnight ONLY in the waters just north of Isla Santiago in the Galapagos Islands.

...and you can confirm this easily enough for yourself.

Ok, I can agree with this analysis. I do enjoy supporting documentation. Common ground to build a bridge.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Justoneman
By your link:-
"Sopdet is the ancient Egyptian name of the star Sirius and its personification as an Egyptian goddess. Known to the Greeks as Sothis, she was conflated with Isis as a goddess and Anubis as a god."

Yes, late in the history of Egypt -- at the time of Greek rulership over Egypt (after 300 BC, when Alexander the Great conquered Egypt (with their help, actually, because they wanted to get rid of their Persian rulers) and after Alexander's general Ptolemy took control of Egypt.) Originally she's mentioned in the Pyramid Texts as an individual goddess... and this continues throughout the Old Kingdom and Middle Kingdom, as shown in the Coffin Texts, eventually becoming a "clock star". (see Encyclopedia of Ancient History at onlinelibrary.wiley.com... and Shaw, Ian, ed. The Oxford history of ancient Egypt. Oxford University Press, 2003, page 9)

During the Period of Egyptian mythology that lasted 3,000 years, there were blending of god and goddesses of Egypt, but Isis was associated with Sirius, and when the Greeks invaded, they also blended gods and goddesses with Egyptian ones, Osiris become Serapis etc. etc.

Yes. As others are aware, I have an undergraduate degree in Egyptology from the University of Manchester (I am NOT an Egyptologist. I just have a low level university degree in the field.)

originally posted by: Justoneman


It is my observation that the poster you responded to has a hard time with discerning what are facts. Seems to have a set of ideas that rarely match what many of the rest of us here in these threads perceive as reality. You are very nice to answer honestly as it helps other neutral people to get to decide for themselves with a balance of both sides opinion for comparison. When one side repeatedly gets it wrong and uses emotional response to replace cognitive reasoning, those not a part of the dissonance sense a problem like seeing rain across the street moving toward you.


ETA

And I will gladly apologize if this is an error on my part.



quote]originally posted by: Astronomer62

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: TzarChasm
Can anyone confirm that the above videos make sense before I start watching? Because I did a YouTube search and there are several videos on his channel, each the length of a feature film.

The parts that I watched about Egypt weren't correct. Sirius was neither Isis nor Osiris... it was Sopdet: en.wikipedia.org...

The usage of "dog" is incorrect because "dog days" and "dogging someone/something" is English only and fairly recent usage ... from about 1700 or thereabouts: www.etymonline.com...

I'm sure there are other problems, but the delivery was tiresome and the parts that I saw were demonstrably incorrect that i gave up on it after watching less than half.

Hi Byrd,
By your link:-
"Sopdet is the ancient Egyptian name of the star Sirius and its personification as an Egyptian goddess. Known to the Greeks as Sothis, she was conflated with Isis as a goddess and Anubis as a god."
During the Period of Egyptian mythology that lasted 3,000 years, there were blending of god and goddesses of Egypt, but Isis was associated with Sirius, and when the Greeks invaded, they also blended gods and goddesses with Egyptian ones, Osiris become Serapis etc. etc.
The "Dog Days of Summer" are from ancient Roman and Greek times:-
en.wikipedia.org...
When i was 11 years old i bought my first book on the Egyptian religion, i still have it!

Hi Justoneman,
It is now interesting that we all agree, my quotes came from the Book of the Dead from approx. 2,400 BC to 2000 BC long before the Greeks invaded.
www.britannica.com...

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Astronomer62

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: purplemer

They get within about a light year of each other.

No they don't.

I also pointed out earlier in the thread that the dog star sirius does line up at exactly 12am above your head.

On January 1st? No. At 12am GMT (which is 2am my time) Sirius was about 35º above the horizon here. That is not "directly overhead" by any stretch of the imagination. Not even close. (you can right click the image)

There is only one location on the planet at which Sirius can appear "directly above your head on the first of January" at 12am GMT.

You should try using Stellarium. You might learn something about the sky. Something real. Maybe you can find that special place on the planet to which you are referring. It does, btw, take precession into account.

A time delta has been noted on the star system Sirius indicating that the sun and sirius are curving together and therefore in orbit.

That statement makes no sense.

This is the reason that i would like Phage back, being that he uses stellarium and i can explain why he hasn't yet found the right results.

Actually, he is correct. There's only one latitude on Earth where Sirius will appear directly overhead. Everywhere else, it does not.

However with Sirius culminating at new year at midnight...

It doesn't. I used Stellarium and set the location to Cairo Egypt and checked a number of years (not picked for any event... just random), including 1372 (not overhead), In 1007, Sirius is at its zenith at 15:46 local time (7:46 pm) on New Years day. It's the same for the years 1310 and every other year since then (and before then) In 2019 it was at zenith at 15:57... so a 10 minute creep over 900 years.

Sirius is on the 20 degrees latitude south marker, so you'd only see it overhead in parts of southern Africa, northern Australia, New Zealand, Brazil/Argentina, Madagascar, and parts of Peru. Nowhere else would it be overhead.

Also, you can set Stellarium to local observed time for any spot on the earth. It is *exactly* overhead at every New Years at midnight ONLY in the waters just north of Isla Santiago in the Galapagos Islands.

...and you can confirm this easily enough for yourself.

Even in Scienceworld scholastic magazines being a teachers aid, they teach children about the midnight culmination of Sirius on 1st January as shown below, i'm afraid Byrd you are not operating Stellarium properly, other members will view this link:-
www.scienceworldreport.com...
Link below explains what the Scienceworld does in schools:-
scienceworld.scholastic.com...
I can not believe that some members doubt that Sirius does culminate at midnight at new year, however i must explain how Time Zones effect results!!!
Firstly i can not understand statement below about Latitude, time hasn't anything to do with latitude but LONGITUDE!!!
"Sirius is on the 20 degrees latitude south marker, so you'd only see it overhead in parts of southern Africa, northern Australia, New Zealand, Brazil/Argentina, Madagascar, and parts of Peru. Nowhere else would it be overhead." ??????
Another Quote being below, why are you looking so far back before the Gregorian Calendar was established?
"I used Stellarium and set the location to Cairo Egypt and checked a number of years (not picked for any event... just random), including 1372 (not overhead), In 1007, Sirius is at its zenith at 15:46 local time (7:46 pm) on New Years day. It's the same for the years 1310 and every other year since then (and before then)"
Any astronomer in the Northern Hemisphere would look for Longitude regarding the culmination of Sirius at New Year being looking up from True South, and before you did say this happened in London, being the only place that is the same as Local time, being Greenwich Mean Time that the world follows with time zones.
How can you see this in Australia, without taking off Summer Time started approx. First World War, 1st January is Summer Time in Southern Hemisphere????

I thought i would show this near to where Byrd lives, America didn't start to stop using LMT or Local Mean Time until the 1884 International Meridian Conference in Washington DC, link below:-
en.wikipedia.org...
So in 1880 in Austin, Texas at midnight at New Year during that time Sirius was culminating straight up from Due/True South, but so did most of America as each town had it's own time.
Please view top picture.
After GMT or Greenwich Mean Time it will not align in Austin, Texas, as i have had to add 31 minutes to midnight to get Sirius culminating.
The clue is that every 15 degrees of Longitude from Greenwich, UK, you will see the same sky as London, regarding Sirius culminating.
The reason for this is each degree is equal to four minutes of time, so 15 degrees is equal to an hour, when culminating angles should be the same as Greenwich again.
So Austin, Texas has a Longitude of 97 degrees West 45 minutes approx.
Six multiply 15= 90
we have 7 degrees 45 minutes out of synch with exact time zones.
If one degree is = to 4 minutes we add 28 minutes to time because we are 7 degrees out, 45 minutes is three minutes, as it is three quarters of a degree so add the two together to get 31 minutes after midnight, and you will see Sirius culminating on lower picture:-

originally posted by: Astronomer62
I thought i would show this near to where Byrd lives, America didn't start to stop using LMT or Local Mean Time until the 1884 International Meridian Conference in Washington DC, link below:-
en.wikipedia.org...
So in 1880 in Austin, Texas at midnight at New Year during that time Sirius was culminating straight up from Due/True South, but so did most of America as each town had it's own time.

Yes, I was aware of that. I looked at it in Stellarium.

On the 11th (actually, from about the 8th to the 14th) the constellation overhead at midnight is Gemini. Sirius and Canopus are lined up to the south (and almost but not quite directly south.) The star directly overhead on New Year's Eve in Austin is Theta-Gemini. The star directly north is the very important star, Polaris (which has been used as a guidestar for most of recorded history.)

After GMT or Greenwich Mean Time it will not align in Austin, Texas, as i have had to add 31 minutes to midnight to get Sirius culminating.

Stellarium basically works on local time, whatever the numbers might have been. We could assign 30 hours to the day or even divide the day into four hours. Adding 31 minutes means it doesn't "culminate" (align directly south?) at the exact midpoint of the local nighttime.

The reason for this is each degree is equal to four minutes of time, so 15 degrees is equal to an hour, when culminating angles should be the same as Greenwich again.

I was a member briefly of a local astronomy club and I have my own telescope. You don't have to work to explain things to me.

I was also a professional astrologer for a brief time, so you won't have to explain nodes, rising signs, the various house systems, squares, relationships, etc. This will mean less typing for you!