Menstrual Pad maker taking female figure off packaging to be inclusive

a reply to: Gryphon66

it makes a mockery of real women who have to suffer their menstrual cycle
and here we have men who think or believe they are women using sanitary towels for no #ing reason
also its wasteful

to me it seems like false valor hahhahaa

men who arent soldiers pretending to be soldiers to get some feels from false valor

these men pretend they have periods so they can feel more like a woman , but its really just mocking women
who suffer their menstruation because from what i've heard directly from the horses mouth is that they are no joke.
Also it can be a condition like endometriosis and that's not a laughing matter.

and get worse as you age , are they going to pretend to go through the menopause as well ?

I care because I value real biological women and I think that womens issues should not be direct by men who believe they are female.

It dishonors femininity

just like having men determine laws which govern females .

The sanitary issue aside , there are a whole range of reasons why its affecting real women.

from Sports , to the justice system , to cultural aspects

Why arent we doing the same for women who want to be men and rebranding razors which are just "people" razors

it seems there is always more emphasis and bias towards males who want to be females , than females who want to be male

seems even males who want to be females still like to dominate things, I guess you can change your outward appearance but you cant alter your DNA and your intrinsic male or female behaviours


smear tests next aye maybe, surprised we havent had fake abortions yet .

Companies change logo's all the time.
The actual product hasn't changed. There isn't a fallus symbol being posted on the package, nor anything male-like, there's just a symbol being removed from the package.

I honestly don't get the outrage...

a reply to: Gryphon66

Why do you care that I care ?

its just my subjective opinion after all , just like their experience of "feeling" like the opposite sex from their natal sex
is a subjective state of consciousness.

Yet somehow you have disregarded my subjective opinion
yet the world is somehow agreeing with the subjective opinions of others

weird we are placing more value on the subjective state of consciousness of a minority of humans and applying that to the objective reality of everyone else

doesnt that strike you as odd at all ?

a reply to: sapien82

Elect Cory Booker, I think it was, and he will protect reproductive rights for transgender people of color! I think he made that statement at one of the debates. If you aren't a transgender person of color, I think you have to pay for your own abortions still.

a reply to: ketsuko

I am confused , so he is trying to protect the rights of male to female trans to have the right to abort even though they lack a womb and a uterus and all the other female reproductive organs which would facilitate an abortion ?

Do they just stick a turkey bastor up their butt ?

originally posted by: ketsuko
That's the thing about the law. It lumps everyone in whether or not you want it to, so when the laws and rules made are for everyone, then everyone suffers on both sides whether or not you want it to happen.

Sure not all of the trans community pushes for this, but the ones who do and got all this craziness set in motion caused the damage for everyone.

Begrudgingly, I have to agree with some of your sentiments. However, I think the word damage is a bit hyperbolic.

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: JAGStorm

I'm timing my move off of the planet when they bring out a female condom line.

ETA... I looked it up and I'm ready to go now.

Female Condoms

Femidoms, as they're called, have been about since the 80's, it's nothing new and had nothing to do with the current madness, they're simply another form of contraception.

a reply to: andy06shake

Anybody that thinks this is a good idea should probably stop smoking sanitary towels.

Knowing Proctor & Gamble and their New World Order ( Illuninatus trilogy told me so ) agenda, I've been using them as respirators to stop those "vibes" entering my cranium through my nostrils. Them pthalates should only be eaten or inhaled.

Pointless using them in the normal way....see....I told you so:



www.google.com.au...

Are sanitary pads toxic?
Most diapers and sanitary pads contain volatile organic compounds and phthalates and with this continued, long-term exposure a significant amount of these harmful chemicals could be absorbed via the genitals, according to a new study. ... The pads were removed from the market.Jan 28, 2019

a reply to: ketsuko

Celebrate the "women with-in"

40 years x 12mths x $ x "arrgh" = " I want inclusion "

Will instructions specify how often to dispose of and replace with new? LOL

a reply to: DaisyRainbow

Its only fair they use mannequins to display usage and fitting in department stores.

Mannequins have rights too!

a reply to: sapien82

Why do I care that you care? LOL. We're having a discussion, right? I don't care as long as people don't try to legislate such beliefs.

It is indeed your subjective opinion, absolutely. I would like to make sure you understand I'm 100% in support of you speaking your mind, stating your beliefs, etc. We're posting on a membership public board ... have at it!

Not to get too philosophical, but what human characteristics aren't a "subjective state of consciousness"?

Folks who seem to believe as you do always go back to the old there's only two sexes argument, which is not true. Patently.

Intersex humans exist, and further than that, a high degrees of hormonal and even chromosonal variations on "the norm" exist.

Humans are born with 46 chromosomes in 23 pairs. The X and Y chromosomes determine a person’s sex. Most women are 46XX and most men are 46XY. Research suggests, however, that in a few births per thousand some individuals will be born with a single sex chromosome (45X or 45Y) (sex monosomies) and some with three or more sex chromosomes (47XXX, 47XYY or 47XXY, etc.) (sex polysomies). In addition, some males are born 46XX due to the translocation of a tiny section of the sex determining region of the Y chromosome. Similarly some females are also born 46XY due to mutations in the Y chromosome. Clearly, there are not only females who are XX and males who are XY, but rather, there is a range of chromosome complements, hormone balances, and phenotypic variations that determine sex.

World Health Organization - Genetics and Gender

Oh, but that's only a few people right? Nope.

Aneuploidy is the condition of having less than (monosomy) or more than (polysomy) the normal diploid number of chromosomes. Aneuploidy occurs in at least 5% of all pregnancies and is the most commonly recognized chromosome abnormality in humans. Divergence from the normal number of X and Y chromosomes, called sex chromosome aneuploidy (SCA), accounts for approximately half of all chromosomal anomalies in humans with a total frequency of 1:400.

I'll be glad to review the biological realities of intersexed individuals if that would be helpful as well.

originally posted by: sapien82
it makes a mockery of real women who have to suffer their menstrual cycle and here we have men who think or believe they are women using sanitary towels for no #ing reason also its wasteful… these men pretend they have periods so they can feel more like a woman , but its really just mocking women who suffer their menstruation… and get worse as you age , are they going to pretend to go through the menopause as well ?

So is this all just a kneejerk reaction from reading the thread title and throwing out a meritless opinion about some crazy misconceptions you have about transgender people? It seems you’ve entirely missed the point of the packaging design changes to this one brand of feminine hygiene product? Here’s a clue – it has nothing to do with “men pretending to have periods so they can feel more like a woman” and you have the whole thing completely backwards.

Brilliant!

There is no doubt that in the transgender activist militia there is a degree of trans misogyny and perhaps a touch of insanity and fetishism but it is fallacious to throw all trans people under the same bus particularly those that are genuinely and truly transsexual.

It dishonors femininity… I think that women’s issues should not be direct by men who believe they are female... seems even males who want to be females still like to dominate things

Is this something like your mansplaining and defining what femininity should be to women? Sheesh!

a reply to: TexasTruth

Well, at least ATS has finally allowed a woman’s nipple to appear in a photo. Although it is a bearded woman...

Wait thats not a baby bump, its an undescended testicle

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

It helps people cut down on there Tide Pod consumption, so there is that.

a reply to: sapien82

Oops, missed this one ...

I want to be clear ... are you referring to the topic of the thread (taking a woman's picture off the product box) or the inevitable debate about trans people?

If it's the first case, having a woman's picture HONORS her suffering menstral cycle somehow? Wow. Okay.

If it's the second, how does allowing someone to experience life as they wish MOCKING women's menstrual cycles??? DO you envision someone saying "Naahnaah I can use pads too but I don't have cramps!!!" Really????

Wasteful? Jesus. Yes, I'm sure the number of santitary napkins used by transwomen is absolutely astronomical.

Not.

a reply to: mblahnikluver

but THIS pissed me off! As a female who has terrible periods due to endometriosis I only used Always products because they were the best! Now it’s like they’re slapping all WOMEN REAL BIOLOGICAL WOMEN in the face! They’re also slapping Venus in the face! It’s insulting all of this and it takes a lot to insult or offend me

Whats so special about a sanitary pad? Do you put your periods on a pedestal? How is it slapping in the face. It sounds like you want a return to the days when these items like condoms were sold under the counter. I thought women had normalized female hygiene as a natural phenomena.

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a reply to: Kalamitous

Not at all
I have discussed on ATS many times transgender issues as I believe its fascinating biological phenomenon and ultimately a view into what it means to be human

where did I define what it is to be feminine ?

a reply to: Gryphon66



what human characteristics arent subjective

well 2 arms , 2 legs, head ,eyes ,ears, nose, mouth, abdomen
10 fingers, ten toes , penis , vagina , thats pretty objective

those arent subjective characteristics , your DNA isnt subjective


There are only two normal sexes which produce viable offspring , in terms of the evolution or propagation of DNA into the next generation.


I read a paper , only two sex forms yet mutiple genders
Only two sex forms yet multiple genders how to explain


They state that there are only two sex forms which produce viable offspring , intersex is not the normal biological outcome for a viable offspring, its a birth defect

In conclusion: In this paper I advanced the physiology-based view that there are probably as many different gender variants as there are sexually reproducing individuals, and this not only in humans. Hence, there is no need to make subcategories in the gender variants with the purpose to install a moral hierarchy as they are all physiologically equal. This does not mean that all gender variants contribute equally well to the well-being of the whole population. I hope that growing awareness that the Ca2+- homeostasis system which is a key signalling system in all eukaryotes, acts as one of the corner stones on which gender is based, may contribute to a better acceptance of the variability of in gender forms as a natural, largely genetic (inborn) system.

a reply to: Gryphon66

the inevitable debate about transgenderism

well the same way that groups of people feel mocked when someone pretends to do something of their culture
that they shouldn't be doing because they have absolutely no reason to.

so its totally cool for men to pretend to have periods but not ok for white people to pretend to be black ?
if its all about just acting in that fashion , why are we liberally ok with men pretending to be women by using sanitary towels
but not ok with people pretending to be another skin colour ?

These are both phenotypical expressions of identity ?

One is ok the other isnt

Great find . I could not agree more ! Bravo . The cool thing is my friends and I ( gen x males ) can now buy them to clean our AR-15’s without feeling the dirty feminine feeling . I’m also a Cage fighter who is sponsored by Always and tape them to my head when I’ve been pummeled . I now can stick them onto the aluminum seat of my Top Fuel drag car for that extra comfort all race day ! I’m sure the NFL will be lining helmets with Always pads as concussion protocol. I find that Always pads stuck to my custom pool cue really protects it . Finally Always read my salt and pepper hair , mustache , toothpick in mouth , pistol toting mind of mine ! Thank Jove , because I am finally happy ! WE ARE DOOMED . The Barbarians from the North are crouching at Rome’s doors and we can’t offend men by deeming a vagina product ( women only)now acceptable for anal issues in men ( Gays have rights too !) Men have ass pads already and they are attached to B-1B Lancer seats , Hell Cat bucket seats , Nuclear Sub Skipper Chairs , corner stools in boxing rings , Rocket ship seats , power boat seats , and Harley Seats . I now have a Always sticker next to my AC/DC sticker on the back window of my gas slurping V8 Cadillac. I’m a man now !