Screw Income Equality

a reply to: DustybudzZ

Ah the wealth tax. Why do you hate retirees and those who have saved and invested for all their lives so as to not need programs like Social Security and others in order to support themselves?

Your article is talking about taxing wealth and investment income by labeling them as "rents".

So you basically hate the old who had the forethought and fortitude to save among others and people like my family who happen to own land even though it does very little to make them wealthy, they get labeled as such.

Say isnt asking for a raise just like taxing the rich? I mean we dont want the rich to leave the country an find people who do it better or worse for less an no bitching.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
We often pit college training against vocational training. There is no competition. They are just different venues of learning. One is not lesser to the other.

I beg to differ. I can't count the number of times I've needed a plumber, electrician or mechanic but not once have I ever needed anyone with a degree in Gender studies. Meritocracy is the only fair and viable system of doing things. We have to have the strength to allow others to failure without interference; especially banks and corporations.

instead of taking my wealth in precious metal you can take my wealth in lead



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a reply to: Specimen88

Expecting anything from the rich is considered taxing them. They deserve to own everything, we're lucky they share their scraps at all. We should be happy to slave away til our minds, bodies, and souls shatter for their scraps.

a reply to: thedigirati

There have been times in my life that despite how hard I worked, life was a living hell. Maybe when I hit such a point again.

a reply to: Puppylove

puppylove I am retired at 58, i can live another 40 years or so

so, am I rich? I have a million dollars in assets, to live on for the next 40 years

plus I have to pay for any medical problem that may arise in that time with no insurance.

How much money should I have to live on for the next 40 years puppylove??

You tell me...

a reply to: thedigirati

Based on what you've said, you're no where near the people actually being bitched about. You're closer to one of us than them. In fact I'd say you are one of us, you're just deluded that you're one of them, like most people crying about saving the rich.

1% is shorthand, most people are more upset at the .0000 something percent that have enough wealth and control to make you look like straight up gutter trash in comparison.

I'm glad you can live another 40 years or so, at this rate I doubt I'll make it. Right now I'm taking care of me and my girlfriend who's been through crazy trauma and abuse. (She's getting better, getting help trying to learn to work in a program starting today actually, she's trying) I make too much for any help on my end, but not enough to take care of the two of us. I had to cut my hours due to massively deteriorating health conditions which I can do little to nothing about because I can't afford insurance and every cent is going into just maintaining my life. A lot goes towards my car, because my job requires reliable transportation. I make too much for help with insurance, and too little to afford it even if I did. My situation is currently so bad I have several payments delayed til January in hopes my girlfriend can get a job by then.

Despite that I can barely function, and have had to cut my hours down from 70, I'm still working 45 hours a week. I have conditions that have me worried about potential cancer and other things, but I'm stuck, scared, and not sure what to do, because I'm in that stupid economic threshold where I need help but make too much to get any...

a reply to: thedigirati

You're rich and a "rent" seeker. You're now a taker because other people are working and your investments are paying you off their hard labor.

Didn't you read that article?

You deserve to be taxed and hard for that even though you worked hard to build up that money in the hopes it might see you through the last years of your life without becoming an abject begger and ward of the state posting bitterly about "the rich".

I'm just as evil because we're trying to work just as hard to do the same as you.

a reply to: Puppylove

Good help ia so hard to find.

originally posted by: thedigirati
a reply to: Puppylove

puppylove I am retired at 58, i can live another 40 years or so

so, am I rich? I have a million dollars in assets, to live on for the next 40 years

plus I have to pay for any medical problem that may arise in that time with no insurance.

How much money should I have to live on for the next 40 years puppylove??

You tell me...

By most standards, you dam well are.

a reply to: Puppylove

The kicker is that the politicians who sell you on this anti-rich mantra know that the people like us who are working and saving are the ones who hold the real money. There are far, far more of us holding way more in terms of real dollars in assets than the few ultra-mega-rich they bitch about and you bitch about, so any law passed to soak those few won't do them any real damage and will wipe out the little guys like us.

You may be blind to it, but that's the reality and if you look hard enough, it's the cold, hard truth.

originally posted by: Specimen88

originally posted by: thedigirati
a reply to: Puppylove

puppylove I am retired at 58, i can live another 40 years or so

so, am I rich? I have a million dollars in assets, to live on for the next 40 years

plus I have to pay for any medical problem that may arise in that time with no insurance.

How much money should I have to live on for the next 40 years puppylove??

You tell me...

By most standards, you dam well are.

Oh I forgot to add I'm not alone, my wife doesn't work either

I accidently never had children either

so yeah it's me the wife and our cat, for the next 40 years

she has no insurance either, she is 6 years younger so it's closer to 50 years that she will live

so the two of us combined will be 90 years

all of a sudden a million dollars over 90 years doesn't seem to add up to much does it??

comes out to about 11111.00$ per year per person

Hopefully we wont have major medical bills to wipe it out (the wife still smokes)

a reply to: thedigirati

I think I'd pick up a hobby that might a pay bit here and there like woodworking or something.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: rickymouse
I owned a construction company. As workers became more experienced I boosted their wages. Some new guy who is a nice guy and trainable might take a while before you started making money off of him/her until they learned how to do things correctly. I had many times we had to redo things that a new guy worked on. And then you hire someone who says they know how to do something and they screw it up. So raising a person's wage when they gain experience on your crew is essential. If you don't, they go to work for someone that will pay more.

I trained a lot of people to work in my life.

Another thing is a guy working in a nice warm office should not get as much as people working out in the hot sun, the freezing cold, and in the rain and snow. Office workers should not get paid as much as a guy working on a roof or high building or lifting heavy things where risk is higher. The society we are in has pay not relative to work preformed. Work that is hard on the body should pay more. Everyone would want to work at McDs if the pay was equal, there would not be any construction workers.

Couldn't disagree more with your last paragraph.

I work in an office.. Tell me what someone who just works outside in weather like you listed does to make more than I what I have earned the right to make in my career?

Oh wait, is this one of those "manual labor" is more noble then other types of work BS?

Construction workers used to make more than people working in an office or working in a store. But it seems like in the last fifteen years the tide has turned and people doing jobs that are not really needed for survival of our people are making more than those who actually make our society more secure. I know someone selling phone packages that make more than a grocery store manager. I know people who are working for AT&T selling cell phone packages who make more than the people repairing the phone lines for the same company. Those who can trick people into buying things they do not really need make more than those who actually provide necessary services for society.

Great we can just agree to disagree then.

My whole career has been an "office job" same with all my friends. Their is 0 that the type of person you are talking about has done to deserve more than I do in my chosen field.

Sorry I just don't believe in this thought that if you work with your hands you are better or somehow more noble. You want to, great but the good thing is in the real world, that thought process has little to no impact on anything.

Again agree to disagree because nothing you say is changing my mind and nothing as say is changing yours.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: thedigirati

I think I'd pick up a hobby that might a pay bit here and there like woodworking or something.

well about 20 years ago my father built a 2 story shed in the back, it has everything one could need to do any wood working you would want, ban saws, drill press, lathe, thousands of hand tools, seriously.

I can and do make anything I want out of wood, from tables to carved roses on the legs.

I made a hand rubbed table for the wife in our bedroom last year, it's rosewood, it's gorgeous

it's funny I taught mysef computers in 90 days, but I've always worked in manual type jobs.

we have 13 oak trees here so yeah if it was not raining I'd be out raking the 1/4 acre of land in the back

but yeah do you need anything?? the largest I can make is 8 feet around (dia)

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: DustybudzZ

Ah the wealth tax. Why do you hate retirees and those who have saved and invested for all their lives so as to not need programs like Social Security and others in order to support themselves?

Your article is talking about taxing wealth and investment income by labeling them as "rents".

So you basically hate the old who had the forethought and fortitude to save among others and people like my family who happen to own land even though it does very little to make them wealthy, they get labeled as such.

What is hilarious is that government is often the biggest rent seeker. Putting up licensing and other regulatory barriers solely to raise revenue for government bureaucracies and to protect cronies.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: JAGStorm

My wife see's people with $100k incomes and $60-$100k in credit card debt all the time.

Lots of school teachers making $75k and paying overdraft fees on their checking accounts.

Mo money mo problems !

Good medical care for everybody, how about that? Is that too much to ask?

I've been busting my ass to take care of the elderly, helping my gf overcome massive trauma and pay off all my debts.

Why do I deserve to die young unable to get the care I need? What have I done to deserve that?

There are many like me stuck in this limbo where neither work nor state will do a damn thing for us. Even if I were able to get on Medicaid it would likely not give me enough to save me if my suspicions are right.

Why do the elderly deserve to lose a caregiver, why must my younger gf lose me way earlier than necessary? What is it about being a home health aide and taking care of the elderly... Something everyone will be, that may very well be your parents or you someday. ... that means I deserve less medical care to keep me functional so that I too can live to that old age. Hell I was even going to the gym each day to try and improve myself for everyone before this damn umbillical hernia.

Why do people who do their job and contribute not get that care?

Can we all at least agree that at minimum everyone deserves good health care?

If we can at least make that happen it's good enough for me.

originally posted by: rickymouse
I owned a construction company. As workers became more experienced I boosted their wages. Some new guy who is a nice guy and trainable might take a while before you started making money off of him/her until they learned how to do things correctly. I had many times we had to redo things that a new guy worked on. And then you hire someone who says they know how to do something and they screw it up. So raising a person's wage when they gain experience on your crew is essential. If you don't, they go to work for someone that will pay more.

I trained a lot of people to work in my life.

Another thing is a guy working in a nice warm office should not get as much as people working out in the hot sun, the freezing cold, and in the rain and snow. Office workers should not get paid as much as a guy working on a roof or high building or lifting heavy things where risk is higher. The society we are in has pay not relative to work preformed. Work that is hard on the body should pay more. Everyone would want to work at McDs if the pay was equal, there would not be any construction workers.

100% agree. wages should be set on desirability of the job. The least desirable jobs should make the most money.