The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by Sri Oracle

 

errr...yeah

Titor made no prediction on the capitals of Britan and France being involved being involved in an American civil war (unless you are attempting to rewrite his theories)

Hey Infinite,

She is just pointing out a connection between the old country and the new one. The Empire state building in New York says enough. The Big Apple of knowledge has eden written all over it again, a place for staging events.

I believe it points to Orion empire. A dark dominated empire, or male polarization. Washington D.C. is our Nations capital also our first president, and a five star General . It looks like to me that it is still commanded that way. But females are in office again to make sure there is balance.

Atlantis is still programmed into some peoples hard drive and is still their goal, but this time will come a balance of energy.

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Paris or London have nothing to do with a American civil war, the story posted was about the Olympic torch and the problems with both of these cities.

Titor said the Olympics would be canceled, and it looks like he might be right about this.

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That's ALL he's (or is sri a she??) been doing in this thread. I don't think I've seen a relevant post from him yet. Trying to turn this into a "The American Civil War as predicted by Sri" thread.

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Originally posted by Glyph_D
yeah this is what i meant. you went ahead and made your own predictions(tho they may be sound, you are still assuming). the problem is not that you make YOUR claims, its that you favor your claims over titors.

I'm not making any claims at all.
YOU are the one who's claiming it's a "leap of logic" to think people will starve with no food or water.
The only claim I made is that starvation now is no where near the levels Titor claimed. That is a FACT.

really?? how/why does the civil war start? how/why does the west collapse?

titor never states how/why, he simple states DOES.

Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.

The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse.

When the civil "conflict" started and got worse, people generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and rural areas. Our home was searched once and the neighbor across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the city.
.....
From the age of 8 to 12, we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and National Guard. By that time, it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division between the "cities" and the "country" was well defined.

(Does the civil war start in such a way that those willing will have time to remove themselves to safer locations?)
Yes. You will be forced to ask yourself how many civil rights you will give up to feel safe.

Cause - obviously major civil rights violations causing a deep then violent division between cities and outside of city areas
How - Slowly with monthly Waco type events eventually escalating to full scale war

The West - Disruptions in America due to civil war have domino effect worldwide.

He was pretty clear in all of this. These are just a few sample quotes.

titor did very little hinting at all, when it came to details of an unfolding future. HOWEVER ask Legend- he seems to believe titor was a straight shooter and as blunt as can be.

So......where did you get that this will have something to do with resource grabbing? You haven't explained that. Or is this YOU putting YOUR own claims in, as you just accused me of doing....



[edit on 7-4-2008 by ThatsJustWeird]

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by Sri Oracle

 

reply to post by infinite

 

Paris or London have nothing to do with a American civil war, the story posted was about the Olympic torch and the problems with both of these cities.

Titor said the Olympics would be canceled, and it looks like he might be right about this.

The olympics were dealings with the gods in the past, which was symbolic to running with the Gods/E.TS. Look at the symbol itself.They are rings interconnected worlds connected.

Most people don't know that.

Originally posted by infinite
Titor made no prediction on the capitals of Britan and France being involved being involved in an American civil war (unless you are attempting to rewrite his theories)

What was it that titor did say was the cause of the war? I believe we covered this back in the 140's...

It had to do with "order and rights"

You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights

There has been a rising underground movement discussing the subject of whether the "United States" serves its people or its shareholders, the first news articles take you to 2006.

Is it the Constitution OF THE UNITED STATES, inc. property of Rothschild, London?

Or is it the Constitution FOR the "We the People" of "The United States"?

google: Act of 1871


Does the government work for the people?
Or are the people slave to the government?

Sri Oracle



...checks pants...

I'll show you mine if you show me yours.



[edit on 7-4-2008 by Sri Oracle]

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
The only claim I made is that starvation now is no where near the levels Titor claimed. That is a FACT.

02/08/01 18:59 (about the future) 311
The pattern of exchange in the war will not be a surprise. Many people will perish as a result of starvation and disease. I would also submit that you already know if you're safe or not. The trick is to not turn off your fear when you'll need it the most.

[How will people die?]

In this order: Starvation - Disease - Bullet Wounds - Radiation

How Nutritionally Starved Is The U.S.?

Believe it or not, in the U.S. 7 times more people lose their lives to a degenerative disease than to all other diseases combined.

www.actualcures.com...

There are an alarming number of kids in America that are not only hungry, but nutritionally starved.

www.feedourchildren.us...

Obesity is a Form of Hunger and Starvation
Many Overweight Adults and Children Suffer From Malnutrition
Even Though They are Overweight or Obese;
From a Nutritional Point of View,
Many are Nutritionally Starved and Hungry.
Type 2 Diabetes is Running Rampant and is Proof of this Fact.

www.helpusendhunger.org...

Just because ones stomach is full, and their body fat, does not mean they are not starving and disease ridden.

Deny the illusion.

I see dead people,

Sri Oracle

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Sri....my statement still stands. Your links didn't do anything to disprove my statement or prove Titors. It's not a matter of denying anything, simply stating facts.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Sri....my statement still stands. Your links didn't do anything to disprove my statement or prove Titors. It's not a matter of denying anything, simply stating facts.

Lets set the facts aside for a moment and speculate...

Where are millions of Americans when the insulin, heart medication, blood thinners, synthetic thyroid regulators, aids meds, antibiotics, et al, now on steady flow, are no longer available?

US life expectancy is currently about 77. If you could speculate... what is the average life expectancy, of the average American, without the pharmaceutical industry?

Take ten people you know over age 55... How many would have made it to their current age if there were no pharms?

Take ten people you know of any age... will they make it past the end of the year without the McGrocery?

starvation - disease,

Sri Oracle


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Sri, what are you talking about?

Originally posted by Sri Oracle
US life expectancy is currently about 77. If you could speculate... what is the average life expectancy, of the average American, without the pharmaceutical industry?

It'd probably be higher.
Those tend to do more harm than good :laugh:

Take ten people you know over age 55... How many would have made it to their current age if there were no pharms?

100% of them. 55 is not old at all...
I know WELL over 10 people who are taking anything and are 100% healthy.

What does this have to do with anything?
Titor never said Pharmaceuticals would be taken away or hard to find.

What is your point?

Titor said that during the war the primary cause of death for Americans would be starvation and disease.

My point is, many Americans are starving. 1 in 4 are obese; which is a symptom of nutritional starvation.

1 in 4.

Many more are diseased, for example there are 4 million Americans dependant upon prescription blood thinners, 5 million insulin dependant, 1 million with aids, etc.

Americans as a whole are not healthy. We do officially live to 77; but we drag our sickened feet there with a regular dose from the establishment.

We are entering a time frame when fewer and fewer Americans can afford to keep food on the table and a roof overhead; let alone maintaining the ever growing cost of prescriptions and medical attention.

I cannot help but forecast a bleak future, on the short, for Joe American trying to live the 1999 Joe American lifestyle.

would you like to wash that down with a diet coke?

Sri Oracle





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Sri, I await for you to join us in the real world....


People are healthier now than they've EVER been. WORLDWIDE.

Also, people are NOT starving to death as TITOR stated and was referring to.
The sooner you join reality the better.....

Well with the food shortages around the world starting and getting worse by the minutes, food riots breaking all over the world, exporting stopping, the UN saying that they won't be able to feed the poors this year, talk of food rationning in the US, a big crop disease, UG99 is threatening crops around the world...

And we're not even at half 2008...

reply to post by ThatsJustWeird


I beg to differ.According to the usda nearly one third of the poorest in the U.S. subsist on ceral grain as the mainstay of thier diet.Leading to diabetes,obesity and other diseases.Maybe your news sources are a little shy on substance.You have to look for the truth.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Sri, I await for you to join us in the real world....
People are healthier now than they've EVER been. WORLDWIDE.
Also, people are NOT starving to death as TITOR stated and was referring to.

The sooner you join reality the better.....

***in my "real world" at the moment, I have an immature sparrow with a weak wing sitting on my right arm as I type, my cat is curled up in cardboard box on my desk, and my dog is beneath my chair.***

I suggest some reading material for you, my friend:

Michael Pollan, Botany of Desire, Chapter 4: The Potato

Perhaps some added google research: monocropping GM crops, then; chemical fertilzer soil depletion, trace mineral modern farming, mergers american food concern, pesticide health, and nutrient deficient commercial food.

What of the cumulative effects of 100 years of internal and external use of synthetic fungicides, herbicides, insecticides, algicides, molluscicides, miticides, rodenticides, antimicrobial, germicides, antibiotics, antibacterials, antivirals, antiprotozoals, antiparasitics, and spermicide?

Do you think 3 generations of that paradigm produced dank genetics?

Americans are the leaders of the chemical tribe; the living dead, dependant zombies, mangey dogs on corner store bag food.

When you're done with Michael Pollan, get back to me on how healthy most people are worldwide.

I am the real world you fail to see, sit on my arm for a moment while I mend your broken wing.

Thunder fills the sky as the F16's do their 9 AM "vertical roll over" above my home... ah, that sweet smell of big brother's jet fuel in the morning.

The dawn of Rachel Carson's Silent Spring is upon us.

2008-04-01 17:13
Fresh Bee Death Alarm and Call for Insecticide Restrictions

www.ansa.it...

***awaits: "no its not... you're wrong... everything's peachy, get real

"***

roar,

Sri Oracle

[edit on 8-4-2008 by Sri Oracle]

Something thats always bugged me about this guy is he states 'infinite worldines exist' and at one point said he could 'never get back to the exact worldline he left'... Under the idea that time travel is possible: What is the point in time traveling if those are true?

He says he went back in time to get an IBM system-ignoring the fact I have extreme doubts about the emulator and assembly language aspects being true with that system and todays systems-let alone the systems that will be 15 years from now... He wouldn't be able to get it back to his home 'worldline'. Also, I have doubts about the human factor: 'nobody could tell the worldlines apart, so it doesn't matter' was one statement. Well, I think if anyone was in that situation, it would feel like the invasion of the body snatchers: "This person looks like my mom, but she has a scar on her cheek and talks with a cockney accent...".

But yeah. It bugs me.

Originally posted by lordtyp0
Something thats always bugged me about this guy is he states 'infinite worldines exist' and at one point said he could 'never get back to the exact worldline he left'... Under the idea that time travel is possible: What is the point in time traveling if those are true?

I take titor to be dystopian political fiction author. If you spend less time focusing on the impossibilities of his tale and consider the dystopia he presents, you stand to learn something.

Sri Oracle

Originally posted by Sri Oracle

Originally posted by lordtyp0
Something thats always bugged me about this guy is he states 'infinite worldines exist' and at one point said he could 'never get back to the exact worldline he left'... Under the idea that time travel is possible: What is the point in time traveling if those are true?

I take titor to be dystopian political fiction author. If you spend less time focusing on the impossibilities of his tale and consider the dystopia he presents, you stand to learn something.

Sri Oracle

Not really, the concepts he presents have been near cliche level-for more than a decade.

Originally posted by daddyroo45
I beg to differ.According to the usda nearly one third of the poorest in the U.S. subsist on ceral grain as the mainstay of thier diet.Leading to diabetes,obesity and other diseases.Maybe your news sources are a little shy on substance.You have to look for the truth.

What are you talking about? What does this have to do with anything in my post?
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I'm seriously asking....
What in my post are you referring to?



Sri:
You have truly mastered the art of saying a lot when saying nothing. I applaud you.
Again, (though this is COMPLETELY irrelevant to Titor) human beings (homo sapiens sapiens) NOW, in the 21st century, here on planet earth, are healthier than they have ever been except when humans first came into existence. This is as a whole. The population has never been this high before so, of course the amount of people who are sick will reflect that, nevertheless I wait for you to show the ratio of healthy to unhealthy being higher than it is today.

And yet again, the number of people dying of starvation is no where close to the levels of which TITOR (NOT you) stated. You have yet to show anything that disputes that.



Come join us in reality Sri.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Again, (though this is COMPLETELY irrelevant to Titor) human beings (homo sapiens sapiens) NOW, in the 21st century, here on planet earth, are healthier than they have ever been except when humans first came into existence. This is as a whole. The population has never been this high before so, of course the amount of people who are sick will reflect that, nevertheless I wait for you to show the ratio of healthy to unhealthy being higher than it is today.


And yet again, the number of people dying of starvation is no where close to the levels of which TITOR (NOT you) stated. You have yet to show anything that disputes that.

Degenerative Disease is Nutritional Starvation.

You are 7 times as likely to die of degenerative disease as you are of any other disease in America.

AKA AMERICANS ARE DYING OF STARVATION

What don't you get?

Health and the Rise of Civilization
Mark Nathan Cohen

pages 130-140

Evidence from both ethnographic descriptions of contemporary hunters and the archaeological record suggests that the major trend in the quality and quantity of human diets has been downward.
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Even the poorest recorded hunter-gatherer group enjoys a caloric intake superior to that of impoverished contemporary urban populations. Prehistoric hunter-gatherers appear to have enjoyed richer environments and to have been better nourished than most subsequent populations (primitive and civilized alike).
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The diets of hunter-gatherers appear to be comparatively well balanced, even when they are lean.
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Protein deficiency is almost unknown in these groups, and vitamin and mineral deficiencies are rare and usually mild in comparison to rates reported from many Third World populations.
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Archaeological evidence suggests that specific deficiencies, including that of iron (anemia), vitamin D (rickets), and, more controversially, vitamin C (scurvy) as well as such general signs of protein calorie malnutrition as childhood growth retardation have generally become more common in history rather than declining.
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complex societies have had to devote an increasing amount of their productive energy to intergroup competition, the maintenance of intragroup order, the celebration of the community itself, and the privilege of the elite, rather than focusing on the biological maintenance of individuals.
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consumption of animal protein seems to have declined for all but privileged groups.
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There is no clear evidence that the evolution of civilization has reduced the risk of resource failure and starvation as successfully as we like to believe.
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As the data summarized in earlier chapters suggest, neither the record of ethnography and history nor that of archaeology provide any clear indication of progressive increase in the reliability (as opposed to the total size) of human food supplies with the evolution of civilization.
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Similar points can be made with reference to the natural history of infectious disease.
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Primitive populations (hunter-gatherers, subsistence farmers, and all groups who do not subsist on modern refined foods) appear to enjoy several nutritional advantages over more affluent modern societies that protect them from many of the diseases that now afflict us.
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The record of the skeletons suggests, through the scarcity of metastases in bone, that cancers were comparatively rare in prehistory.
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The history of human life expectancy is much harder to describe or summarize with any precision because the evidence is so fragmentary and so many controversies are involved in its interpretation. But once we look beyond the very high life expectancies of mid-twentieth century affluent nations, the existing data also appear to suggest a pattern that is both more complex and less progressive than we are accustomed to believe.

Have you googled any of Pollan's excerpts on the potato yet?

Perhaps you should make time for this article:

www.sundayherald.com...
2008: The year of global food crisis

IT IS the new face of hunger.

A perfect storm of food scarcity, global warming, rocketing oil prices and the world population explosion is plunging humanity into the biggest crisis of the 21st century by pushing up food prices and spreading hunger and poverty from rural areas into cities.

Sri Oracle



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Originally posted by Sri Oracle
Degenerative Disease is Nutritional Starvation.

You are 7 times as likely to die of degenerative disease as you are of any other disease in America.

Ok, now WHAT does this have to do with TITOR?

AKA AMERICANS ARE DYING OF STARVATION

No, they're living longer than they have ever lived. And that is NOT the starvation Titor was talking about.

What don't you get?

I don't get why you're posting this stuff in this thread. There are I'm sure more relevant threads.


YES I have looked at all that stuff. You still haven't related it to what TITOR was talking about.
3 billion people die according to Titor, with about 130 million of them Americans. HERE IN REALITY America's population is still growing and in fact we have once again hit the replacement level (meaning even without immigration we'd grow). So I ask again, what is the relevance!?