The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

Record-High Ratio of Americans in Prison

www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=4076270#pid4076270

Using state-by-state data, the report says 2,319,258 Americans were in jail or prison at the start of 2008 -- one out of every 99.1 adults

Sri Oracle

[edit on 17-4-2008 by Sri Oracle]

www.freerepublic.com...

Home Equity Falls Below 50 Percent, Lowest on Record
March 6, 2008 by Toddsterpatriot

NEW YORK (AP) -- Americans' percentage of equity in their homes has fallen below 50 percent for the first time on record since 1945, the Federal Reserve said Thursday. Homeowners' percentage of equity slipped to a revised lower 49.6 percent in the second quarter of 2007, the central bank reported in its quarterly U.S. Flow of Funds Accounts, and declined further to 47.9 percent in the fourth quarter -- the third straight quarter it was under 50 percent. That marks the first time homeowners' debt on their houses exceeds their equity since the Fed started tracking the data in 1945.
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Economists expect this figure to drop even further as declining home prices eat into the value of most Americans' single largest asset.

Moody's Economy.com estimates that 8.8 million homeowners, or about 10.3 percent of homes, will have zero or negative equity by the end of the month. Even more disturbing, about 13.8 million households, or 15.9 percent, will be "upside down" if prices fall 20 percent from their peak.


8.8 million economically shackled to their box,

Sri Oracle

You are posting in the wrong thread Sri....still....

You do realize this website is fairly big right? There are mulitple sections here where your posts will be more relevant.

i believe those posts are relevant to the titor claims.

we can all agree that titor said what he said, and now he has moved on in one form or another. lets do some math and some detective work to figure this out.
if your unwilling to do these things move on to greener fields to graze.

tho it appears Sri is crying the sky is falling(and it is:/), but also showing you and others that nothing is ok in the neighborhood. and quite conveniently these issues Sri and Vit(for a period) are showing, they are NOT being broadcasted to the masses via TVnews.

as titor claimed.

Originally posted by Glyph_D
i believe those posts are relevant to the titor claims.

lol
What Titor is that?

tho it appears Sri is crying the sky is falling(and it is:/)

As people have done for as far back as we can study....

but also showing you and others that nothing is ok in the neighborhood.

When has it EVER been ok?

and quite conveniently these issues Sri and Vit(for a period) are showing, they are NOT being broadcasted to the masses via TVnews.

as titor claimed.

1. TV news IS covering this stuff
2. Titor NEVER claimed the wouldn't


Horrible Glyph....
You're slipping...

reply to post by ThatsJustWeird

well.... what i was referring to(as i usually do:/), is 2008 was claimed to be an eye opening year for the masses. and according to much of the data scattered around here this claim may ring true.

this summer may be very bad for most. in my neck of the woods jobs are hard to find and to keep. IF this drought does happen(here), and prices keep soring we'll all see a world we thought we conquered centuries ago.

i hope it doesnt get that bad. however this world is not in my hands, there for i havent got that much faith in the competence of those hands it is in.(pessimistic, i know).

i my self shouldnt have to much problems, but the people around me will. which in turn will effect me, but indirectly:/


you find none of this relevant to titors claims? granted he didnt come out and say these things, but just as your nuke aftermath logic suggests, these to have ramifications.

do i believe we will start a civil war?
NO, i think there is just enough blind apathy to prevent that outcome. now if y2k took place maybe that(civilwar) would have happened. FEMA would have failed from sea to shining sea, causing major outrage among the people.


for me this topic is not a question of hoax or legitimacy. it more like a running bet, will these things happen(*and the effects there after), or not.

its like horse races, you only bet on the horses that are at the gate. most of titors significant(global) claims are at the gate so to speak. whos going to break away and take the lead?

Originally posted by Glyph_D
well.... what i was referring to(as i usually do:/), is 2008 was claimed to be an eye opening year for the masses.

According to you...

this summer may be very bad for most.

Bad as compared to what?

you find none of this relevant to titors claims? granted he didnt come out and say these things

Have you read Titor's claims?
No he didn't come out and say these things or anything close to them. You guys are making your own **** up and for whatever reason putting them in this thread.
You guys have made absolutely NO connections at all to ANYTHING Titor stated and what you guys have posted. Period.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
You guys are making your own **** up and for whatever reason putting them in this thread.
You guys have made absolutely NO connections at all to ANYTHING Titor stated and what you guys have posted. Period.

tho the statement about ACTUAL CONNECTIONS is true, however many pieces of information can in a quasi-sort of way collaborate what titor has said.

The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over.

Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency.

we are getting real disruptions... yes??? that are taking place now and most likely in a few months(2008). and its not hard to remember when these problems COULD have been avoided(allegedly).

This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.

we all know what contextual angle im referring.
and remember this statement is not of first hand experience by titor it is a point he learned though his studies in our(current) culture. (it is in fact a perspective of hindsight)

The Jewish population in Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense. Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and its offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause.

as titor has said its not the cause, but its part of it.

anyone would/could argue that our current problems are connected to the issue overseas, however would probably not be so inclined to pin the blame squarely on it.

Originally posted by Glyph_D
we are getting real disruptions... yes??? that are taking place now and most likely in a few months(2008). and its not hard to remember when these problems COULD have been avoided(allegedly).

Name one period of time in modern human history when anything that's going on now has not been going on.
Just one.

This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.

?
Random quote #1

we all know what contextual angle im referring.
and remember this statement is not of first hand experience by titor it is a point he learned though his studies in our(current) culture. (it is in fact a perspective of hindsight)

What are you talking about? He was very much alive and well. He FOUGHT in the war so of course it is first hand experience.

The Jewish population in Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense. Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and its offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause.

?
Random quote #2

as titor has said its not the cause, but its part of it.

anyone would/could argue that our current problems are connected to the issue overseas, however would probably not be so inclined to pin the blame squarely on it.

Could you at least attempt to explain what you're talking about....

reply to post by ThatsJustWeird


first off- NEVER in all of human history has civilization been this close to a one world govt. 'and yes we are very close to this becomeing a reality'

in the past when a country was dragging ass it was possible for other countries to move on nearly uneffected. this is not so true nowadays, our policies are so intertwined that when one suffers all suffer.

so to point out WHEN, id have to say every year prior to this year.
its true that some problems have/will always exist but the ramifications are far more broad now,than in previous years(about 10 years back- continued).

and remember this statement is not of first hand experience by titor it is a point he learned though his studies in our(current) culture. [(it is in fact a perspective of hindsight)

What are you talking about? He was very much alive and well. He FOUGHT in the war so of course it is first hand experience.

he didnt start fighting in the war(in a unit) till 2011.

he didnt move away from society till 2006 and stayed away till 2010. and while he was away he avoided conflict with the opposition.

From the age of 8 to 12, we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and National Guard.

in 2004 he was 6 years old. im not one for betting, but id bet he doesnt remember any political atmosphere at the age of 6.

by first hand experience i mean when he thinks back to that time period(news worthy information) he remembers what he had read as opposed to what he had lived through.


my first random quote was suggesting that when this country voted bush into office they sealed our fate on where this country will end up.
that(2004) was the only real time politicians were considering pulling out. they(the front runners) now have given up on that plan.

my 2nd random quote was displaying where we find our today. (this is my opinion) the reason we are over there is becuase we(the US) was predicted(though statistics not a psychic or a timetraveller) to have an economic melt down. the fellows in capital hill being short sighted as they are choose to try and gain more control over the asset of oil. in order to strong arm the market to turn a "higher" profit.

so this war over seas isnt the cause, it just plays its part.
titor has stated this very point of observation(that there is a larger scheme taking place)


in my opinion ww3 will be a war of "capitalism versus compassion".


[edit on 21/4/08 by Glyph_D]

Coming resource grab???

some interesting points>

To those people who have foreseen, and prepared for, this Global food crisis an even greater danger lurks in that they are now being labeled as ‘hoarders’ and will be powerless as their military and police forces confiscate their stocks of food and grains and imprison them for their crimes against their fellow citizens.

and the obvious one(this is for you TJW)

The United States government actively seeks to find, and silence, any and all opinions about the United States except those coming from authorized government and/or affiliated sources, of which we are not one. No interviews are granted and very little personal information is given about our contributors, or their sources, to protect their safety.

take it however you want

[edit on 22/4/08 by Glyph_D]

Originally posted by Glyph_D
first off- NEVER in all of human history has civilization been this close to a one world govt. 'and yes we are very close to this becomeing a reality'

1. What does this have to do with this thread? In Titor's world, there is no one world government. China is over there doing there thing, we're in a civil war, Russia is obviously doing their thing, and the middle east is also tearing each other apart. There is nothing resembling a one world government. So this is pointless.

2. Read a history book for once. Just because the world is bigger now doesn't mean a thing. The civilized world has been this close MANY times. The last time being during the Roman Empire. The British Empire probably could have came close to establishing one if the world didn't grow so big so fast and there wasn't as much competition as there was.

in the past when a country was dragging ass it was possible for other countries to move on nearly uneffected. this is not so true nowadays, our policies are so intertwined that when one suffers all suffer.

What? This isn't true AT ALL. Economically there's some truth, but that is it.

he didnt start fighting in the war(in a unit) till 2011.

That's because he was a LITTLE KID before then....
He joined when he was 13.

he didnt move away from society till 2006 and stayed away till 2010. and while he was away he avoided conflict with the opposition.

in 2004 he was 6 years old. im not one for betting, but id bet he doesnt remember any political atmosphere at the age of 6.

by first hand experience i mean when he thinks back to that time period(news worthy information) he remembers what he had read as opposed to what he had lived through.

*yawn*
I await anything to even slightly back up what you are stating. Not once did he say he was telling this off his studies and not personal experience.

my first random quote

was suggesting that when this country voted bush into office they sealed our fate on where this country will end up.
that(2004) was the only real time politicians were considering pulling out. they(the front runners) now have given up on that plan.

Could you translate this into English for us?
Sealed our fate meaning what?
Pulling out of what?
Given up what plan?

my 2nd random quote was displaying where we find our today. (this is my opinion) the reason we are over there is becuase we(the US) was predicted(though statistics not a psychic or a timetraveller) to have an economic melt down. the fellows in capital hill being short sighted as they are choose to try and gain more control over the asset of oil. in order to strong arm the market to turn a "higher" profit.

so this war over seas isnt the cause, it just plays its part.
titor has stated this very point of observation(that there is a larger scheme taking place)

Titor was talking about the middle east blowing up themselves with WMDs...
What are you talking about?

in my opinion ww3 will be a war of "capitalism versus compassion".

Too bad this is a Titor thread....


Your second post is on that thin line between extremely laughable and extremely sad. Sad that people will fail to do their own research and rely on other people's bs as if it's the truth when it couldn't be further from the truth.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Your second post is on that thin line between extremely laughable and extremely sad. Sad that people will fail to do their own research and rely on other people's bs as if it's the truth when it couldn't be further from the truth.

More of Sri Oracle's bs; far from the truth, research...unrelated to titor's claims.

More people in U.S. go hungry, homeless
2008-03-13
news.xinhuanet.com...

35.5 million people in the United States, including 12.63 million children, went hungry in 2006, an increase of 390,000 from 2005.
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16 of the 23 polled cities reported increased requests for emergency food assistance
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In 20 surveyed cities, 193,183 people applied for emergency shelter or transitional housing, it said.
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It is estimated that 750,000 people are homeless on any given day in the United States,
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Los Angeles County has more than 73,000 homeless people. Phoenix has 7,000 to 10,000 homeless people and another 3,000 who were not sheltered by the government. New Orleans has 12,000 homeless people. California has about 50,000 veterans living in streets.
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In Boston, nearly two-thirds of 136high-risk sex offenders lack permanent addresses. In New York City, more than 100 sex offenders are registered at two homeless shelters

Attacks on the Homeless Rise, With Youths Mostly to Blame
www.nytimes.com...

Nationwide, violence against the homeless is soaring, and overwhelmingly the attackers are teenagers and young adults.

New Orleans' homeless rate swells to 1 in 25
www.usatoday.com...

Nagin has suggested reinstating a city ordinance that would make it illegal to sleep in public places. Homeless advocates say the law would just crowd the jails.

www.thestar.com...

Foreclosure crisis opens doors for U.S. homeless
THOMAS SHEERAN Associated Press

CLEVELAND–America's foreclosure crisis has led to a painful irony for homeless people: On any given night they are outnumbered in some cities by vacant houses.

I'm a landlord... I'm surrounded by foreclosed; vacant; vagrant occupied...


perhaps even more "extremely laughable... extremely sad" than tjw thinks of glyph's last post.

satans star.... and the fascist swastica... and the frail illusion separating them.

I am,

Sri Oracle

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
1. What does this have to do with this thread? In Titor's world, there is no one world government.

Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency.

these are titors words correct? my point was those inconsistencies have a much larger effect during our time period than those of the past(becuase of how tightly wound each country is to another).

What? This isn't true AT ALL. Economically there's some truth, but that is it.

when in all of human history has any problem NOT been about resources and money? your right thats about it, but thats all that is needed:/

*yawn*
I await anything to even slightly back up what you are stating. Not once did he say he was telling this off his studies and not personal experience.

nor did he state it was his PERSONAL experience.
Do you remember what society was going through when you were six?
titor stated he studied this time(from his timelines perspective). certainly he was bound to pickup some cliff note of his youth(if not than he would be a poor researcher).

studied history = learned from a hindsight perspective

im not saying what he had learned over written any personal experiences he had. but i will say that what he had lived through(personally) was not relevant to the majority of discussion forced apon him.

when you read his post you can read a slight disconnect in his speech when he speaks of "our" past and "his" past.

Titor was talking about the middle east blowing up themselves with WMDs...
What are you talking about?

wrong titor was ansewring a question refering to ww3 and its possible connection with the arab and jewish nations.

In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause.

Hi everybody.

I am back for now. The reason why I am here is to prepare you for the next false flag attack, which will be on the Pope in Rome, supposedly by Osama (the bearded man in the cave) but really the CIA, that has done a 'great job' already by stirring the pot in China with encouraging the Tibet conflicts.

I am looking forward to share views with you again and please, let us not fight about whether John Titor was a real time (dimension) traveler or not, but let us all come to realization that John Titor KNEW what he was doing, when he decided to post his messages on very popular message boards in 2000/2001.

There's a lot to discuss before the revolution starts and we all know that both sides are ready and determined. The war is on your BELIEF SYSTEM and there are NO boundaries to the extent your Constitution destroying enemies will go (including the use of very sophisticated high-tech manipulation and war strategies) in order to control you entirely and in order to make you accept their New World Order.

There's a lot of new information presented on the net and more and more people are waking up to the fact that our world in 2008 is crashing (= over!) And I am not solely talking about the economy, the inflation or the present MAJOR food crisis, thanks to the WTO. And I am also not referring to the deceptive 'Lisbon Treaty' which is the EU constitution in disguise, to make Europe a fascist totalitarian state, however, the ruling Elite could not prevent the one and only referendum on it to be held in Ireland (thanks to their independent courts!) on June 12, 2008. And ofcourse the Irish must vote against it. Yes we are living in very exciting times indeed.

But that's all for later. Right now I want you to think about the implications of a false flag attack on the Pope in Rome.

Welcome back Roth!

I personally feel these raids against religious groups and taking there children en mass are definitely Waco Type events.

Legal questions follow polygamist raid These types of acts are now on the rise, and just where is the constitutionality is this?

All factors combined, a out of control government no longer bound by the constitution, the complete militarization of our civilian police force, the continued execution of criminals with portable electric chairs for any offense, the outright execution of criminals with impunity. The economic situation we lost another 20,000 jobs last months, foreclosure rates continue to set records, gas prices food prices, a pending food shortage and the people ARE NOT HAPPY with there government.

Some conditions are right for some seeds to be planted, do you suppose they will sprout and grow?

Wonder how many people have woken up already? Can ya hear me know?

More info!

Clinton Camp Considering Nuclear Option To Overtake Delegate Lead

If she does that, it will sure help the unity of the country....

DC madam killed conspiracy on Fox News...

World over?

Global warming could be put on hold in the next decades, naturally.

No, the ice caps are not melting any faster than they are now. There is also far less smog and industrial waste in 2036.

Chinese build secret nuclear submarine base

Was China your enemy?

Not my enemy? I never fought any Chinese but their ability to hit Western cities with missiles made a lot of people unhappy.

The attack on Europe is in response to a unified European army that masses and moves East from Germany.

Germany proposes an european army

And of course you add the economy crashing, the food prices soaring, the homeless rising in numbers, the north american union being pushed no matters that everyone is against it, the path towards war against Iran... Yeah, the future is so bright with sunshine and puppies, I can't see!

[edit on 4-5-2008 by Vitchilo]

- Vit...wow. Did you even read the articles you posted
You do realize that the nuclear option has nothing to do with nuclear weapons right?

- Welcome back Roth!

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Originally posted by LDragonFire
I personally feel these raids against religious groups and taking there children en mass are definitely Waco Type events.

You say that like there was more than one....

Legal questions follow polygamist raid These types of acts are now on the rise, and just where is the constitutionality is this?

Arresting people conducting illegal activities is unconstitutional? Now I do not agree with taking all the kids away from their mothers, but forcing 12 and 13 year olds to "marry" 50 year olds who already have 2 or 3 other "wives" is absolutely disgusting.

You have evidence of those raids are on the rise? Even if it is, would you allow such activities to just go on if you knew about it?

John Titor:
However, there are a great many “non lethal” weapon systems in development that turn out to be quite lethal.

There is at least 4-6 deaths a month by Taser alone.

It's amazing the great lengths they will go, to hide the facts on “non lethal” weapons. I would bet the feds have secret negotiations with governments and state officials about Taser's riddled deaths. The DoD Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Program would say, "Ssshhush we'll need these weapons in late 2008-09 to stop a possible Civil War." You see, they know about JT...

Judge orders all references to 'Taser' stricken from medical examiner's reports
rawstory.com...

[edit on 5-5-2008 by imitator]

Originally posted by imitator
The DoD Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Program would say, "Ssshhush we'll need these weapons in late 2008-09 to stop a possible Civil War." You see, they know about JT...

this is my greatest concern. its true i do not want to fight in a war, BUT i do not want my life takin from me without a fight. the presence of the titor "wild card" has most certainly raised their awareness of a possible failure.

contingency plan