The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

Originally posted by imitator
I guess semantics could come into play, but I dont see any contradictions. "From your point of view." Titor was probably reading news about CERN from our point of view.

No. I didn't post the whole thing because you should have read it by now.
He was saying point blank that a year from then such and such would happen IN OUR WORLD. He stated it several times. It didn't happen.

Titor would sometimes talk about or link news articles, then add his worldline perspective to ours.

No, Titorites did that, not Titor.

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reply to post by ThatsJustWeird



Yes, Titor does talk about news from our point of view and he does post links... maybe you should read everything he's posted so we can get up to speed.

Again, he is talking in a historical perspective from his worldline to ours.

My favorite one, Sometimes I watch your television programs that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons.

AND MORE

John Titor,
I believe it was a few days ago I saw a news story about potential problems with power that “might” affect the entire United States. Where do you think they’ll turn it off first when push comes to shove?

I've also noticed little things like news events that happen at different times, football games won by other teams...

news on the z-field compression at least support what I’ve been saying a little bit? I just saw another story today about the Russians moving Nuks into the Balkins to thwart any future expansion by NATO.

I see the same type of interaction when I watch news interview programs. The guise of productive interaction and communication is thwarted by illogical verbal attacks and misdirection. I understand why the news does it. They are trying to hold an audience by generating conflict.

I'm pretty sure they have a number of experiments going on at the same time at CERN. The one I'm referring to involves very high energies using protons. From my historical perspective on my worldline, I do recall the issue was a point of contention about 18 months ago or so. There were some scientists who thought the experiments were too dangerous to try. The time travel I refer to does not require faster than light travel and due to multiple world “reality”, paradoxes do not occur. Natural time machines do exist. Please check these web sites for the basics…on both ends of the scale.
www.leonllo.freeservers.com...
www.geocities.com:0080...

I apologize for wasting this much space but I thought some of you would be interested in seeing this after reading some of things I've been saying in the last few months. Below is the address to the news site and a copy of the text.
www.telegraph.co.uk.../et/00/12/31/wcia31.htm

Well...you're getting closer people. Here's another one I found today. Again, I apologize for taking up this much space but I thought you'de want to see this.
www.observer.co.uk...

Imitator: I'm not going to respond to any specific thing you said, I'll just respond to your view as a whole. If this comes up again, I'll just stop posting it because I feel like I'm repeating myself.

If everything he's posted thus far is irrelevant to our time line, there is no need to continue this discussion with you. Not one solid prediction he's made has come true. The "non-lethal" weapons were being used before he started posting about it, so you can't even count that as a prediction.

I don't get the point you're trying to make with your posts.

reply to post by Legend


Titor is now around 10 years old.

John Titor, My first experience with war came when I joined a shotgun infantry unit at the age of thirteen.

The start of this war probably cannot be realized without seeing things fundamentally differently. I happen to believe they are waging war upon us, you would have to be in Never Never Land (as most people are) to not see it coming.

If you haven't noticed, we do have our own die Weiße Rose movement in this country, it's only a matter of time before they hang them.

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John Titor, It doesn’t exactly escalate as much as it opens the door for other aggression. Yes, I think the war would be good for society...

Not one solid prediction he's made has come true.

But what about the microwave popcorn?

You guys presume the "prediction" period has come to a final end.. Nonetheless, you should be judging the relative importance of events in Titor's worldline, not the specific dates of his worldline. If you feel it's irrelevant that is fine with me.

John Titor, It is also thought that parallel worldlines that appear to be the same end at different times.

John Titor, I think it's prudent to be prepared for anything.

reply to post by Legend


ugghh titor was not very specific(blunt) on any issue, other than what HIS life was/is like.

what is it with you guys(anti-titorites), one day ill be in an argument with one saying he was to vague and any thing he said could come to pass just by looking at the current affairs, then the next day you say hes so specific hes got to be wrong.

titor was not blunt when it came to what will/could happen in OUR timeline. he was evasive.

civil war was claimed to start in 2004/2005(under what parameters??) in his timeline. in a world that was effected by the y2k bug.

as for the CERN predictions he may still have those just at a different time than claimed(from his timeline by the way)

2036 your a fool if your gonna fight with that one, alot can happen in a year let alone 30.

nukes might just happen.



ive read titors posts, and will only read them again should i need to. niether you nor TJW has shown me anything to the contrary of what ive come to understand.

you interpreted what he said one way, while i have seen it another.

call me blind if you like, and dont fear i wont be around to say i told you so.

Originally posted by Glyph_D
ugghh titor was not very specific(blunt) on any issue, other than what HIS life was/is like.

I really don't mean to flame, but I'm seriously beginning to think that you guys are incapable of reading... either that, or you just refuse to read anything he's said.

Civil war in 2004.
Olympics canceled in 2008.
Waco type events every month.
WW3 in 2015, complete with nukes.

How is this not blunt and specific?

reply to post by Legend



Legend, it's sad you refuse to see this only happened on Titor's worldline.. or are you saying this happened on his worldline?

I hate to break the news to you, it's wrong if your thinking it should pan out that way on our worldline...

As I pointed out before, Titor is speaking from a historical perspective from his worldline.

And remember,
John Titor..
I have no idea what happens to you in your future.
If I go forward to “your” 2036 now, it would probably look nothing like mine
the longer I am here, the larger that divergence becomes from my point of view.
I don't know any other way to tell you that I am unaware of what happens in the next week.

Titor is very explicit about not knowing our future, how blunt is that? And he never gave us any specific dates....

I suggest you to re-read this stuff.


[edit on 6-3-2008 by imitator]

note...

small bomb...

dare we say domestic insurgency... times square military recruiting center, NYC today...

www.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2008/03/06/wny206.xml

Sri Oracle

This was an inside job probably. They've done a hell lot of times and it's hard to get a flashbang in the streets...

Anyway I have info from Bilderberg insiders that Israel is the next target and a nuke will explode there in the near future. Near future, I don't know the time frame. More info after the next Bilderberg meeting.

And the economy... HAHAHAHA that will EXPLODE and it's an understatement in the next 3 years MAXIMUM. And then it will be hell in the streets that's for sure, it happenned EVERYWHERE ELSE, why not in the US? Because people are more CIVIL? Yeah sure.

And from Thomas Paine:

If there must be trouble, let it be in my day so that my child may have peace.

Vit I'm going to have to ask you to come back here to Earth. Thanks!

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Anyway I have info from Bilderberg insiders that Israel is the next target and a nuke will explode there in the near future. Near future, I don't know the time frame. More info after the next Bilderberg meeting.

Though it's probably more of a Bilderberg plan in the works, the U.S. has a few contingency plans for Iran if they do something.. and that's a big IF..

However, I'm sure one of the main U.S. plans is a false flag operation concocted by the Bilderbergs, it would give Israel and it's neighbors the excuse for pre-emptive strikes against Iran. The threat would without doubt.. 100% target Israel and it's neighbors by nuclear means, thus encouraging U.S. closest Arab allies to confront Iran in an immediate showdown. Iran would retaliate in effect of a broader war involving Russian support, consequently blaming the U.S. as the instigator and perpetrator of nuclear sabotage.


John Titor, Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel’s neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and it’s offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction.

Just keep an eye on oil and weapon thieves and seismographs....



[edit on 15-3-2008 by imitator]

Well, there is trouble in Tibet and China is promising "strong force" if the protest does not stop on Monday.

If there is a huge amount of bloodshed, the Olympics may not happen. It is possible.

I've always said Titor predications were based on old theories that have been around for years. Civil war in the US has been spoken about since the early 80s.

Maybe I should clarify the history since 2000 of the pricing of oil per barrel Thatsjustweird? In the year 2000 oil was around $20 per barrell. this price has been the steady price for a while. In 2004 it doubled to over $40 per barrel. In 2006 it jumped to $80 per barrel. We are now in present day 2008 and it has reached as high as $111 per barrel. There are shortages and the poor countries have been bidded out of the game. Read around and you will see that shortages are extremely everywhere. We are now just experiancing our time. The reason supply has so far barely (and I mean barely) met demand is because KSA has tapped into their stored reserves to help bolster supply. I wish I was making this up. Also where was our economy just in the last couple years as well as the beginning of Titors story? We never even dreamed that the failure of banks and mortgage crises coupled with credit crunch and lack of consumer spending would all boil together starting in January of 2008 just as Titor mentioned 2008 would be the year we as americans and the west would witness the start of western collapse and decay as the tentions heat up in the middle east that I can see happen by summer or early fall. Add to the oil supply problem and increased gas prices ($4 plus per gallon) and that my friend will be the tipping stone of western civilization and its collapse. This is what probably wavers western support and gives the middle east their time for total out offense against Israel. Don't you think that once this economic crises that has just started coupled with gas price increases as the year unfolds will not cause a little civil strife?

Originally posted by chrhenn32
Maybe I should clarify the history since 2000 of the pricing of oil per barrel Thatsjustweird? In the year 2000 oil was around $20 per barrell. this price has been the steady price for a while. In 2004 it doubled to over $40 per barrel. In 2006 it jumped to $80 per barrel. We are now in present day 2008 and it has reached as high as $111 per barrel. There are shortages and the poor countries have been bidded out of the game. Read around and you will see that shortages are extremely everywhere. We are now just experiancing our time. The reason supply has so far barely (and I mean barely) met demand is because KSA has tapped into their stored reserves to help bolster supply. I wish I was making this up. Also where was our economy just in the last couple years as well as the beginning of Titors story? We never even dreamed that the failure of banks and mortgage crises coupled with credit crunch and lack of consumer spending would all boil together starting in January of 2008 just as Titor mentioned 2008 would be the year we as americans and the west would witness the start of western collapse and decay as the tentions heat up in the middle east that I can see happen by summer or early fall. Add to the oil supply problem and increased gas prices ($4 plus per gallon) and that my friend will be the tipping stone of western civilization and its collapse. This is what probably wavers western support and gives the middle east their time for total out offense against Israel. Don't you think that once this economic crises that has just started coupled with gas price increases as the year unfolds will not cause a little civil strife?

1. Read Titor
2. What does oil have to do with anything? Titor never stated oil would be the cause of any problems. Who cares what the price of oil is?
3. During Titor's postings, we were headed toward recession. The economy would soon be doing worse than it's doing now.
4. The west has endured much worse (taking inflation into account oil, has only recently surpassed the oil highs of the '70s). The economy is no nearly as bad as it was in the '80s or '30s. What happened after each of those events? Did the west collapse? No. It only got stronger actually.
5. Despite the high prices, gas supply is stable. Meaning we probably won't even seen the miles long gas lines we saw in the '70s, let alone civil strife. Humans aren't as uncivilized as you're making them out to be. Everyone is not so anxious to kill each other like that.


(6. and just to note, oil prices are being raised for 2 reasons. First to make profit. There's no reason they have to be this high, but oil companies are seeing record profits, so there's no incentive for them to release more and lower it. And second because of the dollar. This isn't always the case and with the hurricane season and vacation season approaching, the dollar would probably take a back seat again in it's influence, but right now it seems that it may be having an effect. There don't appear to be any real shortages in oil at this time.)

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

2. What does oil have to do with anything? Titor never stated oil would be the cause of any problems. Who cares what the price of oil is?

Oil is a commodity; a point of reference. Take the same case in point with gold.


The point is the collapse of the worlds dominant currency; and the ultimate folding of the fiat house of cards soon to follow.


In 1930 there was a considerable chunk of the outstanding M3 backed by reserve deposits and brick and mortar industry.

In 1980 there was a lesser, yet considerable chunk of outstanding M3 backed by reserve deposits and extensive brick and mortar industry.

2008... even if all the gold in the US was owned by the US... it would only represent 3% of M3. And its not owned by the US... its owned by the fed and international parties; aka private interest. The economy is nearly entirely service related... Brick and mortar was replaced by OSB, vinyl siding, and fancy billboards.

Are you not watching the banks on the verge of collapse? Bailed out only by further printing of virtually meaningless paper? Have you not come to terms with the illusion of the stick built mchouse? Rest assured your banker has.

Despite high prices... oil supply is stable...
Despite high prices... gold supply is stable...

What exactly does that mean though? What wealth disparity can you foresee a high gold price create? What is it indicative of?

Look deeper. The collapse of western capitalism is just beneath the surface.

What is a tent city?

Sri Oracle

[edit on 16-3-2008 by Sri Oracle]

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
2. What does oil have to do with anything? Titor never stated oil would be the cause of any problems. Who cares what the price of oil is?

It's possible peak oil has already occured, we're over due, right.. Global population growth is unsustainable by slow degeneration of oil. World governments would react irrational with a weakening energy infrastructure.. Tent City..

Before a proposed preemptive nuclear attack on whomever, checkmating resources is part of the end game. An industrial collapse would disrupt and destroy societies, our economies and our way of life. To that end, we could be in the middle of a civil war by 2011..

John Titor, It was discovered that no matter what, there was a certain ratio of rats to space that once overtaken by population would always lead to aggressive and destructive behavior in the rats until enough of them had died or been killed to get back under the ratio.

John Titor, On my world line in 2011, the United States is in the middle of a civil war that has dramatic effects on most of the other Western governments.

John Titor, Besides, I think the walk to the gas station will do you some good.


[edit on 16-3-2008 by imitator]

To both of you. Again, this is a Titor thread. Titor never stated that oil would be the cause of any problems, so I ask again.....in the context of this thread, what does the price of oil have to do with anything??

As I stated already, oil itself is stable. It is just the price that has gone up. Natural gas affects the average person more than oil. Sooo....who cares if the price of oil has gone up? Did anyone think it would stay low forever? And again, oil has been this high before and during that time there WAS oil and gas shortages. Did we see a civil war break out then? No.

So I read the first few posts to this thread regarding a civil war that was supposed to have occured in 2005 which would then be the precurser to a major war in 2008, which would change the course of history to create a world that we would not recognize. Well, so far I have not seen a "civil war" in the classical sense of the term, so am I to surmise that the other events outlined by Titor are not going to come true, and, if so should I disbelieve everything posted here as a prediction of the future? What happenned Titor? Has your future of 2036 changed because I ran over that squirrel yesterday? I'm sorry about that, but it ran right across the road in front of me and I couldn't help it. How can I help you get back to the future?

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There's two wars, and both are some what affiliated with each other, part of WW3 had something to do with overpopulation and faulty politics. This in reverse directly effects the Civil War, constitutional rights and faulty politics, which equates oil as part of it.

Again population growth is unsustainable if there is not enough oil for a fast growing industrial world. Energy independence is not going to happen in this country anytime soon, therefore our energy infrastructure is directly related to global diplomacy.

Those "faulty" global diplomatic efforts effect us at home, such as the war on Iraq, which is really about oil and control. Israel is directly connected, as Iran is the threat to being a regional power, and of course the Bilderberg Group wants control of this region.

If oil was so stable we wouldn't be all over the Persian Gulf region, this is not the 80's.. prices are not going to fall back to anything like their old levels. I would bet oil will rise to absurd levels before leveling out (ratio of rats to space) at higher prices, it will wreck and disrupt economies globaly and cause more wars, of course that is no surprise.

John Titor, They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?

John Titor, it is believed that the problems of overpopulation were a large cause of the war.


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