Transgender children SHOULD undergo irreversible surgery without their parents' permission

a reply to: LSU2018

If a transgender lives in a transgender community, (s)he'll be treated like normal.

The flip side of this is that in a culture with different gender norms/stereotypes for men and women, many of those who now "feel" like the opposite gender would not feel like the opposite gender in that culture.

For example, if we lived in a culture of fierce warrior women like the Amazons, then the gender norms/stereotypes for women would be the opposite of what today's men envision when they identify as women.

I do believe their could be a biological/environmental cause for a rare few cases of dysphoria, as well as autogynephilia, but I don't think we're even close to understanding it. And I think the research is not being done for two reasons: 1 -- Trans Activists shutting down research that doesn't fit their Agenda, and, 2 -- Too many people making too much money off the current gender affirming treatment protocols.

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
a reply to: Boadicea

They did close my threads down...

Hmmm... I believe you... but I'm not touching it! That's between you and the mods.

Bummer for you though. I'm sorry to hear that.

I tell my boys to be happy for trans and gays...less competition with the girls for them...

a reply to: Boadicea

On behalf of all sane Australians, I apologize. The full retard permeated our media, politics & universities not long after it embedded itself in your country.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Boadicea

On behalf of all sane Australians, I apologize. The full retard permeated our media, politics & universities not long after it embedded itself in your country.

My apologies right back atcha! And my sympathies as well.

Now the crazy just seems to bounce between our nations like pingpong balls, eh?

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: discordantone

If the state wants to take on that role, then they take on the cost and responsibility of doing so.

That may just be their plan. And it makes this all that much more sinister.

The state does take responsibility under the jurisdiction of 'parens patriae' (parent of the nation). Did you know that children were not considered persons nor had any constitutional rights until the 1960s? I think that was more of a sinister scenario by not considering children as persons.

I would then assume if the state takes on the responsibility, then of course they (or you all) pay.

As for Australia's law, it is interesting to note that they also have what is known as the 'mature minor principle'.

Parental power wanes once a child is deemed psychologically competent to make medical decisions, a concept known as the ‘mature minor’ principle.

More recently, courts have simply treated competency as irrelevant in refusal cases.32 The position in the USA is even more clouded, with decision-making capacity of children varying from state to state.

In the case of X, the New South Wales Court of Appeal refused,37 consistently with established authority, to recognize the decision of a Gillick competent 17 year-old Jehovah's Witness to refuse a ‘life-saving’ blood transfusion. In so doing, the Court of Appeal held that the parens patriae power is immutable and cannot be abrogated by a determination of Gillick competence.38 However, in the case of Jamie, the Full Court of the Family Court held that an 11 year-old Gillick competent child could consent to treatment for Gender Identity Disorder,39 on the grounds that once a child was deemed Gillick competent, the court had no jurisdiction to approve or disapprove of the proposed treatment.40 This decision is striking because even countries with federally enshrined human rights have not completely negated a court's ability to control children's decision-making in those circumstances where the child is deemed competent.41

academic.oup.com...

So it appears Australia's laws differ from U.S. laws regarding the determination of competency in a child's decision-making ability, specifically in regards to gender dysphoria or transgendering issues.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Boadicea

On behalf of all sane Australians, I apologize. The full retard permeated our media, politics & universities not long after it embedded itself in your country.

Ditto for Canada as well.

a reply to: Boadicea

Oh, they lost my respect forever on this issue and "toxic masculinity". I couldn't see one now with a polite attitude.

a reply to: Kalamitous

TERF is a slur depending on who uses it and how it's used.

See the infamous "n" word for reference.

a reply to: Boadicea

These baby dick bood suckers will tell you to mutilate your kids' genitals for them to eat, in their kosher meat, pukes we. Vampires for sure. Ben Pedo vampires.

www.chabad.org...

originally posted by: drussell41
a reply to: Boadicea

Oh, they lost my respect forever on this issue and "toxic masculinity". I couldn't see one now with a polite attitude.

I doubt I could either. At least not professionally.

I do have a dear dear friend who is a psychologist, and I know she is horrified by what is being recommended in the name of "gender affirmation." But like so many others, does not feel comfortable talking about it publicly, though I know she had raised some stink with her (big city) employer.... and soon went into private practice.

But for the most part, what little credibility psychology had is being quickly and recklessly squandered.

a reply to: InTheLight

Sorry, Light, I just saw this. I'll give it a read...

a reply to: AyinSof

Oh no no no... thank you for the link, but I'll take your word for it. That's something my eyes can never unsee. Just knowing it's a thing is bad enough!

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: AyinSof

Oh no no no... thank you for the link, but I'll take your word for it. That's something my eyes can never unsee. Just knowing it's a thing is bad enough!

Thank ye, for trusting me, alms you have, begs me?

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: InTheLight

I have to agree with you there, especially in the case of gender dysphoria, which IMO the science is still in it's infancy, medically and psychologically speaking.

Perhaps these psychologists should spend more time and energy perfecting their own craft, especially in terms of their understanding the primary and underlying psychological conditions, and improving their treatment programs and protocols accordingly. Actually, no "perhaps" about it. The more I think about it, the more of a copout this is on their part, schlubbing their patients off to the medical community.

Of course, the more cynical side of me considers that it might just be their business plan. Why cure a patient when you can break the patient (or have someone else do the dirty work) and guarantee a patient for life???

I supposed these medical professionals are trying to deal with the fact that their patients will most likely try (and succeed) to commit suicide if they do nothing. But, I agree, specifically in spending more time studying societal intolerance, hate and violence in regards to transgendered people and how to help those navigate in those waters.

The way things are under current protocols these patients are going to try and commit suicide either way. Perhaps there is something being missed with these patients in the treatment and lack of treatment?

a reply to: LSU2018

Yep.

There were plenty of times in high school when I was the sole girl doing a thing. Only girl on the scholar's bowl team, only girl in plenty of the hard science courses, etc. I looked at it as a chance to roll up my big girl sleeves and get to work. If I was going to be the only one, then I was going to be good at it and not just a token.

Work it. Own it. Be different. Be proud.

a reply to: ketsuko

The way things are under current protocols these patients are going to try and commit suicide either way. Perhaps there is something being missed with these patients in the treatment and lack of treatment?

Many of these kids will also desist -- they will accept their bio sex/gender -- if allowed to progress naturally through their puberty. But kids who are given puberty blockers almost invariably continue to identify as transgender, and go on to want hormones, and sometimes surgery. They puberty blockers seem to lock them into that mindset, probably because it artificially stops the body's development and maturation, including brain function and cognitive development.

And for girls given testosterone, it basically jump starts them into menopause before some have even menstruated!

a reply to: DBCowboy
DBC....

Please don't get sloppy on us.
The sarcasm is quite obvious. I enjoy when it is not. You troll.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: InTheLight

I have to agree with you there, especially in the case of gender dysphoria, which IMO the science is still in it's infancy, medically and psychologically speaking.

Perhaps these psychologists should spend more time and energy perfecting their own craft, especially in terms of their understanding the primary and underlying psychological conditions, and improving their treatment programs and protocols accordingly. Actually, no "perhaps" about it. The more I think about it, the more of a copout this is on their part, schlubbing their patients off to the medical community.

Of course, the more cynical side of me considers that it might just be their business plan. Why cure a patient when you can break the patient (or have someone else do the dirty work) and guarantee a patient for life???

I supposed these medical professionals are trying to deal with the fact that their patients will most likely try (and succeed) to commit suicide if they do nothing. But, I agree, specifically in spending more time studying societal intolerance, hate and violence in regards to transgendered people and how to help those navigate in those waters.

The way things are under current protocols these patients are going to try and commit suicide either way. Perhaps there is something being missed with these patients in the treatment and lack of treatment?

Yeah, it has to do with anti-transgender stigma and bias leading to job loss, healthcare denial, housing denial, extreme violence (some fatal) etc. all making a transgendered person more vulnerable, which leads some into sex work to survive. So, the only treatment here would be justice and equality which is slim pickens within society today, it would appear to me.

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu...

a reply to: InTheLight

Yeah, it has to do with anti-transgender stigma and bias leading to job loss, healthcare denial, housing denial, extreme violence (some fatal) etc. all making a transgendered person more vulnerable, which leads some into sex work to survive. So, the only treatment here would be justice and equality which is slim pickens within society today, it would appear to me.

That's not the whole picture... and it's a disservice to transgenders, and really everyone. In the real world, there are a multitude of causes and reasons for people to identify as transgender, and/or for suicidal ideation.

And in the real world, no matter what anyone does or does not do, there will be those who applaud and those who boo and those who don't give rats patootie either way. Each and everyone of us need to be true to ourselves, accept the consequences -- both good and bad -- for our choices. In the process, we can all learn from our successes and our failures, both of which contribute to our overall growth and experience.

As long as trans identifying people look to everyone else for their validation and affirmation, and as long as they are stepping on everyone else's toes in the process, they cannot and will not be happy or fulfilled or capable of loving themselves.

True self-worth comes from within. Not from others. And certainly not from maiming and mutilating one's body.