Skinny Bob Colorized and New Details

a reply to: DamianSicks6

Good eye, I am an expert and I broke the blinking down in the first couple posts.

The warping around the eye is caused by the texture on a 3D model stretching when it blinks, It's a common issue in 3D modelling when your creating a low poly version for animation. To get rid of it you need to add a few loops of polygons so any movement doesn't unintentionally stretch the surrounding polygons. This adds to the size of the model and with animation keeping the model small saves alot of render time.

a reply to: FrvstMaSke

I found it.
tvguide1.cbsistatic.com...

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
I sometimes wonder about the pilot Aril?

I forgot about that name. Very close to the one they called Krill. Are they talking about the same being?

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Thank you for this. It clears up a lot about this video, once again emphasizing that it was intentionally edited and cropped for its release.

I suspect that the late Naval Commanding Officer Robert Dean was the one who gave the Skinny Bob footage to the media leak, and suspect that the alien interview footage was the other footage referenced in the email correspondence, which Mr. Dean has also been suspected of releasing.

Based on these suspicions, I would love to know if Mr. Dean left instructions regarding the Skinny Bob footage in his will and testament. I'm also on the lookout for the footage of the alien interview where someone took it and lightened it, hoping to find a puppeteer in the background. They had realized the footage had been darkened for release on TV.

Am very interested in learning more but most of the faces I'm trying to establish contact with around youtube are very annonymous.... such as "random alien" "annonymousalien" and others. I was bothered by Will's statement that I would have to be an elite and respectable person in the UFO community before I could get more info, but I suppose I'll have to just have to be patient until I actually have something more to contribute.

originally posted by: Elyei
I suspect that the late Naval Commanding Officer Robert Dean was the one who gave the Skinny Bob footage to the media leak

I'm also on the lookout for the footage of the alien interview where someone took it and lightened it, hoping to find a puppeteer in the background. They had realized the footage had been darkened for release on TV.

Why do you suspect Dean?

Are you talking about this dark footage?

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Yes, I am. Not that exact video but the footage itself.
I'm not certain what other footage this unnamed entity (that Will has blacked out in the media link's email reply) would have given the media leak. The email states it in a manner that suggests Will would already know about this footage.

The Alien Interview seems a likely candidate. No other half-way credible pieces of footage out there that I am aware of. Just Skinny Bob and this Interview. This is why I make the connection and suspect Mr. Dean released Bob's footage.

When the attempting debunker lightened the video up he found no puppet master in the background. I believe he also pointed out how the eye shape changes during the gagging/choking seconds, and I recall something about the video needing to be darkened to air on TV not only to cast doubt, but because when at its original lighting, you could make out the insignia on the officer/telepath's uniform, and the identity of that man was necessary to keep protected. This is all I can remember at the moment. If I come across that analysis of the alien interview video again I will share it.

some video analysis, the 2nd one does some comparisons with cgi and animatronics:





some interesting replies from that video, not sure if is true or not:

Calvin Colbert 3 years ago
I have been in the VFX industry for 25 years (I, for obvious reasons will keep my identity private - I was part of the team that did Life of Pi). This is NOT CGI, and the movement is too fluid to be mechanical. Could a company like ILM make this video? Sure...if you've got a ton of money. Not likely the kind of money you'd use to produce a free YouTube video though. I'm not saying this is real....but if it isn't, it's some of the best work I've ever seen!!!

Calvin Colbert 3 years ago +Jin Ion -
I know people who worked on the Matrix too. No, the green was actually used as a color scheme to create a visual separation between the Matrix and the "real" world. Not because of green spill. There are some pretty advanced methods to get rid of spill, so even back then, that wouldn't have been a problem. That said, to answer your question, NO - $10,000 is not going to get you VFX this good. Good enough to fool VFX professionals? No. Not in my opinion. And quite honestly, I wouldn't use video games as the standard. Even Xbox One effects aren't feature film quality. The lion in 'Life of Pi' was CG and about as close as you can get to real - but that movie took around 2 years in R&D (research and development) and a team of hundreds to pull off! This "aliens" movements are too fluid. A simple thing like the fluidity of the alien's brow requires hundreds of CG "muscles" to pull off movements that fluid. A mask, or makeup would be stiff and obvious.

I don't know if it is real or not (I wasn't there, after all)...but I'm stumped. Again, if it's fake...GREAT JOB!!!

Calvin Colbert 3 years ago +Jin Ion -
I think, honestly, that some people who say it's fake may have only seen this clip. I've seen the entire clip of this segment where he holds up his arm and gives a sarcastic "you silly humans" grin as he completes what may have been a puzzle test or something, then the one where he turns completely to the camera. And finally, the one where the multiple aliens walk into a meeting. Those movements are very fluid. The bodies seem real - which means that the only way they could pull this off is by putting a big head on a body - makeup wouldn't be possible because the neck is so extended that a normal person's head wouldn't fit in (for example, look at HansFaulkner's material. That alien is obviously fake because (among other things) the dimensions of this alien are completely human, and the facial expressions do not change. On the contrary, this aliens neck is extended, the shoulders point down and are relaxed (when he's standing), and the facial expressions exhibit realistic musculature. It's hard to see how, even a child, could fit into this body and an effects team could pull off the realistic facial movement on a mask attached to a kid. Again, the neck alone extends far past where you'd expect a normal humans neck to go - 1:54 of this clip, for example. The military has the money and technology to make a film like this, in theory. So, I wouldn't discount it. But...why? Whoever did this, if it's not real, is really good.

a reply to: AlienAnonymous

I cannot remember exactly which account, but i do remember one abductee eyewitness who claimed to have seen an EBE said they had no eyelids.
Most, if not all, of the eyewitness accounts of abductees that claim to have seen EBE's in person have never said different.

I dunno.... eyelids on this seems to make it look more real, maybe that was the point, put on a pair a mechanical eyelids on this mask and people will not question its authenticity.

I dont believe this is real!

a reply to: combatmaster


If you've seen the alien interview where the alien goes into a gagging/choking fit and heart monitor reflects his distress, you'll notice that he never blinks, and appears to have no eyelids.

However, some witness testimonies in the 35+ hours Dr. Steven Greer has on youtube did mention their knowledge of some roswell grey type aliens having multiple eyelids, and that they found it interesting that the person who made the fake alien autopsy film must have seen the real alien autopsy footage, because they replicated truthful aspects of the alien, such as internal colors, organ count, and the multiple eyelids.

There is much confusion about how many different kinds of grey aliens there may be, so perhaps those without eyelids are your abductor types and your Skinny Bobs are the ones with multiple eyelids. Just my conjecture.

a reply to: IRussao

I haven't watched the first video, but the comment from the VFX professional I suspect he's not being honest, his description of a green screen seemed like he looked it up, a green screen is an actual technical term for any color screen used to color key out an object or background in video. I'm sure everyone here has seen it in the making of alot of movies? I could be splitting hairs and he may know well enough but I see little to verify he knows what he's talking about.

His statements about fluidity of motion and costs seems like he isn't considering the limited motion and the length of each shot which would keep cost minimal and doesn't risk bolder body movement beyond what's been commercially available with motion capture packages for 2 decades.
The reason Movies like the matrix and Life of Pi are so expensive is because they are creating high resolution full scenes that mix digital and real video as seamlessly as possible which is a difficult process that requires alot of planning and man-hours. I mean your free to take his word over mine but I stand by my analysis of it.

a reply to: kobalt7

I have appreciated your posts in this thread and share your thoughts, but I have zero interest in trying to convince anyone else of my opinion about this video.

a reply to: muzj03
I understand, for me its a matter of professional integrity and responsibility to my community(ATS). I feel like if I continue to choose to be lazy and avoid posting on topics I'm knowledgeable of I am in a way allowing it to deceive my community. I knew going in what it would be like and I can only blame myself for lurking and letting the voices of ignorance drown out the few knowledgeable people we had in our community over the years. Having spent the time on this thread I refuse to let it be wasted and fall into obscurity in the sea of arm-chair analysts that plague this site now.

a reply to: combatmaster
Theres an EBE with no eyelids in Ivan's first video

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originally posted by: SlowMaxon
Theres an EBE with no eyelids in Ivan's first video

I do not know if having extra aliens makes Bob seem more real - or less real.

There are at the most 10 aliens in the Ivan videos. The last 4 look alike, they look like Bobs. If you were going to go through all of that hard work to make Bob look so real, why would you add in the first group of aliens, who are decidedly different and not so real looking?

If you spent hours faking them several years earlier, you might want to include them to *get your times worth* out of them. Otherwise why cheapen Bob by putting inferior visual product into the mix?

If all the footage is real, then it would make sense to put it out together as highlights of the total footage available.

But if you think Bob is fake, do you think someone bought a batch of alien footage and put it out at once, together, even though it was faked by different people?

I was just browsing through this thread and the links shared on it and made my way to another ATS thread about the 351NOVA Smuggled from Area 51. www.abovetopsecret.com...

From the looks of it everyone thought it was CGI even back then.
People will call CGI on anything especially these days.
They even said it was proven to be CGI when in reality it's a puppet.

Getting a bit of deja vu here, anyone else?

a reply to: WhoSentYou

Have you seen this fun one? If you ever wanted to see a mean looking Grey - this is it. How would you like to be abducted by this group! Watch from the 5:50 mark:


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a reply to: combatmaster

I can say as someone who experienced multiple abductions in my mid-teens, who has only ever told my wife about it until right now in this thread , and as someone who is unsure if what they experienced was real......

The Skinny Bob Greys are 10000000% exactly what I saw , to the point I can't watch the videos repeatedly without having a panic attack.

originally posted by: scyther2286
The Skinny Bob Greys are 10000000% exactly what I saw , to the point I can't watch the videos repeatedly without having a panic attack.

THANK YOU! See that is what we need ~ first hand witness confirmation!!

originally posted by: scyther2286
a reply to: combatmaster

I can say as someone who experienced multiple abductions in my mid-teens, who has only ever told my wife about it until right now in this thread , and as someone who is unsure if what they experienced was real......

Welcome to the UFO forum. Nice to get away from Coronamania for a change, isn't it?

Abduction is an area of ufology that fascinates me the most - far more than endless tedious lights in the sky, that's for sure. I have heard many such experiences from people I trust, and the answers to the puzzle remain elusive. Are they Real? Well, they are real enough to provoke more questions than answers, the conundrum potentially dating back centuries to ye olde tales of folks being abducted by 'fairies'.

The Skinny Bob Greys are 10000000% exactly what I saw , to the point I can't watch the videos repeatedly without having a panic attack.

The Skinny Bob phenomenon rings all my alarm bells negatively, mainly because the videos themselves are so damned cliched; the 'crashed saucer + dead body' clip especially, plus all the other technical anomalies discussed ad-infinitum in this thread. In fact, I still believe it was a very clever viral campaign for the movie 'Paul' (2011).

However, that's irrelevant to my point. What 'ole Skinny does manage to do successfully is distil the typical form of abductor so common in cases such as your own. An abductor that has been so predominant since 1985 when Whitley Strieber's spooky Christmas in his log-cabin kick-started a brand new phenomenon that brushed aside the wildly varying descriptions of aliens since the first reported abductions in the late-1950s, providing a much more consistent and iconic image.

As you say, are they Real or a commonly shared image within our imaginations? Has the media been responsible for planting such images in our heads? Was Strieber's image simply a more refined version of Spielberg's own 'skinnies' from 'Close Encounters Of The Third Kind' (1977)? In turn, we know Spielberg's movie was composed of dramatisations of genuine UFO reports, so was the infamous ending also based on reality? Rumours abound that the final 'contact' scene was a souped-up version of a real-life alien 'meet & greet' at Holloman AFB in 1971, alleged USAF footage of which was originally meant to be the spearhead for government UFO disclosure in the early 1970s. Who knows? Fun to speculate, though!

Either way, it's a fascinating to determine the causes of this abduction phenomenon.

Have you thought about authoring a thread dedicated to your teenage experiences? If it's too traumatic to put down on paper, I can fully understand, but many here will be very keen to hear your extended story.

a reply to: scyther2286

Thanks for the reply

I wouldnt be surprised if it was real, i wouldnt be surprised if it was fake..... I know for a fact that these beings exist, so your input is appreciated nonetheless.