Skinny Bob Colorized and New Details

a reply to: FrvstMaSke
31 pages, still no new Bob reproduction, still no proof it is a hoax.

Bob looks damn real to me. I know you would like it to go away, but answer me this:

How would Bob look any different to you if he was real?

you have been told, several times, why you won't get anything for free man. if you would at least offer a small amount of money for the work. but nope, you just want it for free. the folks, especially only in this forum who whould/could do it, is percental very very small. you better try to gain the interest of skilled animators, video composers and 3D modelers elsewhere. maybe you have luck to find someone who not want be paid for it.


me personally, i would try it for free. but i can't do everything alone dude!

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
 
And while I am at it, I have no problems with the Hills abduction and I find nothing funny about the Betty Hill star map. I think she drew it from memory, something many other people have done with other subjects. Sure they could have lied, but when I studied the case and I came to the conclusion that the Hills are telling the truth. The aliens have been here for a long time and they are doing something. And according to the eyewitnesses, they are abducting humans. 

This is what Betty had to accurately remember from her dreams 2 1/2 years earlier:

- 25 dots: 2 large, 4 medium, 19 small and their placement
- 11 lines drawn to 12 specific dots
- 4 types of lines: 6 dashed, 5 solid, several light and dark
- Lines with specific purposes: trade and exploration/expedition routes

All of these features had to be remembered along with their arrangement and purpose on an area that's 8.5" x 11". All remembered in a brief amount of time this "alien" showed Betty the map. He quickly took it away when Betty was asked where Earth was and she didn't know.
 
Recalling this map would have been extremely difficult if not an impossible thing to do. Draw a map with 25 dots, make some small medium and large sized, draw multiple lines connected to these random points, make lines that are dashed solid or light, give each line a name and a designated purpose. Remove the element of knowing you need to remember it, as Betty didn't know, by showing this map to someone in your family with no idea why. Then ask this same family member 2 1/2 years later to redraw the map. You really believe they could reproduce the map with the amount of accuracy needed to show this is a "star map"? That is the ridiculous part.

Betty just sat at her kitchen table and drew a map with randomly placed dots and lines knowing people are so eager to believe that they would.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect
I can answer this, he wouldn't have tell tale markers of digital effects I see in video production every day, I'd be willing to overlook one or 2 maybe but there are too many I have pointed out. Also considering the visible degradation, you really think you could bump it up to 60 fps and have such seamless motion from a film with deterioration. Lol.

a reply to: FrvstMaSke
Looking through these pages it looks like a lot of work was done(for free) to try and debunk this. Even some small-time attempts at recreation. If those here who claim to be CGI experts could focus their efforts on something of substance then a lot could have been accomplished by now.

a reply to: WhoSentYou

This place is full of armchair experts, the real experts are few and I can see why. Truth falls upon deaf ears here and nobody wants to spend their precious time defending their profession from people who doubt the basics of their job along with whatever claims they make.

I stated my profession and provided evidence of my claim, I explained the multiple things that point to a hoax, backed with images pointing to the facts which took a little time, I spent the rest of the time defending myself from armchair video analysts(like the OP). Unlike them I work with video everyday so much of it stood out to me right away. What broke me was having to explain the history of video technology over several decades. This is the level of effort required and it still did little to nothing to convince people here. Had I not worked with video since the 80s and been confident in my knowledge I would have given up several pages earlier.

But all this effort is a far cry from "creating something of substance." For those that ask for this they have no idea what that entails or how much work is involved.

Real experts have jobs and most of us are content in giving you a few hours of there time for free but as artists we get a lot of requests for free work, enough so that we are weary of these requests. I think I speak for all of them when I say "no thank you".
I concluded that those that are asking for this clearly didn't give a moments thought to anything I presented because it conflicted with their views.

If you can't see the hallmarks of digital effects in this video after I and others spent the time to point them out and explain them in detail one by one with images and history lessons, then your need for more stems not from your own ignorance with video and CGI but your need to believe its real.

And if your belief is is so strong you can't see whats been pointed out then providing you a reproduction will do little to fix your blind faith, continuing to ask for it is choosing to ignore what's already been presented.

If your still convinced its real you either didn't read my posts pointing out the multiple issues or your content in believing what you want despite this.

what about these two videos here? i alread showed them on page 16.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

those are fakes too and much older than Skinny Bob. if you ask me, they could have been made by the same hoaxers, because the eyes of the aliens wink too in those two videos. a bit different setup and style, but not really worse than the skinny bob stuff (as you claim). you made a couple of statements, but shortly after, you ignored it, because skinny bob is simply better and not a fake lol^^

originally posted by: FrvstMaSke
what about these two videos here? i alread showed them on page 16.

They are not nearly as good as Bob and the Bobettes videos.

Maybe you did not realize this the first time, but on page 16 I posted the response of the creator who made those videos.

"Email from 2011 that Mr351Nova sent to a senior member at davidicke.com:

“Yeah that's all correct , i had an old acct under 351NOVA , my real name is Billy Cruse , i am 42 and i was the owner of novaworldgaming.com (closed now** . It's was a gaming site nothing more , no ufo alien stuff just online gaming.

I have always owned up to making the old alien videos with movie maker , it was a joke and i still can't beleave there still around , i have always posted in the comments when i see them that there fake and i made them .

Feel free to re post this anywhere you like ,

I am NOT ivan0135 , i did not make his videos i now run windows 7 with movie maker live witch is not what made ivan's videos , he used something that cost a lot of money to make them ."

Hi. I'm wondering if anyone on the authentic side of this can explain the audio to me? What's been done to it? What speed do you need to play it at to hear the original projector clicks? Slowed like this it almost sounds like an old reel-to-reel with a dying motor or provided with low voltage but anytime I speed it up to match the "reduced speed" of the video it no longer sounds like a projector at all. The RPMs are variable and inconsistent, no matter what speed I increase or reduce it to from the videos it sounds like a carbureted 4 cylinder engine with either a slightly slowed intake valve closing or inconsistent (prolonged) ignition timing on the 3rd cylinder like all the other cylinders precisely the same wear patterns of wires/plugs/distributor contacts or something increasing resistance the same down to the millisecond. Is there an original file with the correct speed? It sounds a lot like a muffled tractor engine running just below 3000rpms or stock audio footage that began its life as such no matter what I do with it.

a reply to: FrvstMaSke
Because those are puppets, not CGI. Definitely less believeable than bob.

a reply to: Hydration
Slowing a video down, exporting, then speeding it up and exporting again will not give you the original sound.

a reply to: WhoSentYou

do you have a source that proves that teh Alienz were Puppets? can you build one?

a reply to: FrvstMaSke

Its from this
www.tvguide.com...

Someone with hulu confirm, i dont have it.

originally posted by: Somniferum

originally posted by: BelowBottomPublicity
a reply to: Somniferum
It needs to be proven to be real, not proven to be fake.

Nice excuse, almost. As long as you cannot prove it is fake, the possibility remains that it could be real.

We have been told many times on the web that it would be easy to fake this. Yet no one has shown proof of that.

We have been told even more times on the web that it would be costly and time consuming to fake this, but it could be done. Once again no one has shown proof of that.

I have an idea of how it could have been faked using a real human, but I cannot find the photo I am looking for.

It should be easier to prove fake than proving that it is real - yet everyone has failed to do so. Just a lot of talk.

So Until you can prove it is fake - it exist in the realm of possibility that Bob could be a real living being. Even if it is an advanced autobot.

edit on 16-12-2019 by spiritualarchitect because: can't spell worth spit

Do we know the supposed years of these video clips?

I would really love to compare the movement of other organic beings on some other unrelated reference footage taken around the same time using cameras that may have been used for the “Skinny Bob” footage. Movement is a big factor in my judgment so far and most older footage I have seen has a distinct look to movement but I will reserve final decision until I can see some comparisons.

I have also been doing some thinking on Bob’s blinking. It appears that it isn’t just the eyelid that moves but some muscle above the eye moves in conjunction. I am trying to be fair and not say it is a trait of using CGI until an expert or someone more knowledgeable weighs in. I always thought the muscles behind blinking were just in the eyelids but I am not a doctor or scientist so maybe this is something someone who is qualified can chime in on.

I still don’t understand why the person who supposedly leaked this footage decided to crop out the people sitting at table and the star chart Bob is supposedly pointing things out on because that could have been helpful in providing a point of comparison between human and alien which may have helped show if it was genuine or CGI. Maybe someone can track down leaker and request that.

originally posted by: DamianSicks6
Do we know the supposed years of these video clips?

I still don’t understand why the person who supposedly leaked this footage decided to crop out the people sitting at table and the star chart Bob is supposedly pointing things out on because that could have been helpful in providing a point of comparison between human and alien which may have helped show if it was genuine or CGI. Maybe someone can track down leaker and request that.

The first videos have no year date that I know of. Could be the 40’s, 50’s or even 60’s.

The Vacation Video seems to represent the 1964 Holloman landing event. We do not know if Bob is in that video. So who knows if Bob is part of that event or maybe something earlier?

That crop out bothers me too, as we can tell there is someone to the left of Bob. I guess if you were faking this it would make sense to cut out the people there.

But if it is real, why cut them out? The simple answer may be that the person standing there did not want to be in the film because someone might recognize him. If so he would have his cover blown.

"Williams is incorrect. There are no looping artifacts."
Do we know this for sure?

Interesting, when this thread started ivan0135 had 4.7K subscribers. Now Ivan has 5.04K subscribers. That's what 32 pages will get you!

Well they found where Bob lives:

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: DamianSicks6
Maybe someone can track down leaker and request that.

Have you seen this?
www.youtube.com...

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

I sometimes wonder about the pilot Aril?

Military interview with 1947 Roswell UFO crash pilot
Lawrence R. Spencer is the narrator of the book Alien Interview. He speaks to us today about how the transcripts of the Alien Interview came into his possession. In 1947 there was a UFO crash near Roswell, New Mexico. US Army Air Force Nurse Matilda MacElroy was assigned to duty at the 509th Bomb Group. One of her duties was to interview the surviving pilot of the UFO crash near Roswell. When she was discharged from service at the conclusion of these Top Secret interviews, she was able to hide and keep a copy of the typewritten transcripts of her interviews with the alien pilot, who she refers to as "Airl", for 60 years!