Civil War 2 ?

originally posted by: openminded2011
a reply to: JAGStorm

80 percent of us want to live in peace and coexist. IF you are saying the nutcases on the far left and the far right are going to fight, I think you could be right about that, but most of the country doesn't hate one another.

I agree that the greater majority of people just want to live in peace. But that does not exclude them from fighting if things go bad. I believe there is a greater portion of the country that would participate if a civil war did break out. While the desire to live in peace is strong, the desire to throw down against a tyrannical group or individual is stronger in many.

A couple of interesting wild cards are state military forces.

The National Guard units may or may not respond to orders to federalize, depending on the situation.

But often forgotten is that some states have "state guard" or militia units that answer only to the governor. They're typically only used to assist in the wake of disasters, but their hierarchy and operation is military in nature.

Cheers

a reply to: Vroomfondel

I agree that the greater majority of people just want to live in peace

My grandmother used to say that even within a family there is always strife. How can we have peace when even families can't get along?

Lot's of truth there.

a reply to: JAGStorm

My grandmother used to say that even within a family there is always strife. How can we have peace when even families can't get along?

True, but strife rarely escalates to armed conflict, much less on a national scale.

Cheers

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Maybe true, but not likely. Most people these days live paycheck to paycheck, on the edge of disaster. People are quite honestly afraid to rock the boat or they could be out in the street. There may be a strong desire to resist tyranny, but the survival instinct may overpower that. Now, if the infrastructure fails, like we have food shortages, then all bets are off. If one side tries to cut off food to a perceived enemy, then I think we will be in a SHTF scenario to be sure. The French revolution was largely the result of people not having access to food. Most upheavals start that way.

a reply to: openminded2011

I agree with your assessment, however, I think that is what will eventually happen.

If I were on the tyranny side of things, the first thing I would do is cut the infrastructure and put the other side in survival mode, then make sure they knew I had everything they needed to survive. Dangle the carrot so to speak. Living on the edge, as you put it, means a lot of people have little to lose and little to fear. Its the guy with the nice house and three cars that are all paid for that will want to maintain the status quo. Its in his favor to do so. But he is in the minority.

Those guns are gone rusty. Time for some action.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Anything is possible i suppose.

But if you wish UN troops upon your soil, Civil War 2, would be the way to go about it.

All the preppers and nutters logged in their bunkers in the hills would just love that.

Personally i don't see your nation being that silly down to the likes of Trumps nonsensical ramblings.

For a start who the hell would be silly enough to turn up?

To OP..

I was looking at Lebanon to see when their wars started and found it was a civil war stemmed out of rich Muslim Socialists moving into the country. After a while, they wanted to take over and it turned into a civil war. That country still hasn't recovered fully. So people need to question where the money for these movements are coming from out her in the US. cause it looks like we are going to repeat history again or ban religion all together.

a reply to: JAGStorm I'm inclined to say no. Reason being, it would be short and one sided. The extreme left is not as numerous as the media would lead you to believe. The average democrat doesn't say much except vote for their candidate. The feral ones you see on the news are a very small number. Now domestic terrorism from groups like Antifa are very plausible but, that too will be short and snuffed out very fast.

Political Civil Wars have happened in other countries, I'm not sure why the right wants so much bloodshed. I could see Trump fueling a civil war to keep him in office.

I don't think it's up for debate, the right definitely wants to attack, destroy, and kill left neighborhoods, cities, and people. Like yesterday, they are so angry.

Seattle is a progressive liberal city, I can picture the right traveling from Eastern Washington and show up at Pike's Place Market with explosives and AK-47's and just slaughter as many people as possible. Because they believe in the last number of years the behavior of the left is deserving of death.

a reply to: game over man

From what I can see it is the left that is supporting the riots, defunding the police and releasing violent offenders. I know the legal system has its problems, but when I look at a world without one it is a war zone.

What is happening with the voting system is a travesty. The left know they are going to lose in a honest vote so they are trying to subvert the system with its mail in campaign. It is going to be a big ugly mess, those pushing it know it.

There is already the absent vote mechanism for those that want to stay home. This mail in vote has fraud over over it. You are right that the right is going to get thing right.

a reply to: kwakakev

Your response is exactly what I'm saying. Eventually the right is going to attack the left in the name of defending the constitution out in the Democratic run cities. It will be total carnage.

An interesting point from your post reminds me of the 7 Ages of Man, by William Shakespeare and painted by William Mulready how one can generalize so much they can become completely generalized themselves in the way they think. Just like how one could generalize about the protests and be blind to the fact there are so many protests that happen almost daily with no rioting whatsoever. I feel overall the 7 Ages of Man can represent men in society being completely blind to what is going on because they are living their generalized stage and that is all they know.

a reply to: game over man

Yep, the quality of the media and internet censorship is helping with all the generalized group think. Unfortunatly, most people are just too busy with day to day life to dig into the details, they trust the media to tell them how it is.

A lot of people know government lies and business has its own agenda at times. But they don't exactly know all the details. Some just know bad things happen and as long as it does not affect them, they do not want to know. In some way I do not blame them as some of those rabbit holes get nasty and take a while just to process.

It does worry me that if civilization does not wake up to its own stupidity it may not continue to be there.

originally posted by: game over man
Political Civil Wars have happened in other countries, I'm not sure why the right wants so much bloodshed. I could see Trump fueling a civil war to keep him in office.

I don't think it's up for debate, the right definitely wants to attack, destroy, and kill left neighborhoods, cities, and people. Like yesterday, they are so angry.

Seattle is a progressive liberal city, I can picture the right traveling from Eastern Washington and show up at Pike's Place Market with explosives and AK-47's and just slaughter as many people as possible. Because they believe in the last number of years the behavior of the left is deserving of death.

I don't think that's likely how it will start, or even how it will end up.


More likely what will happen is a bunch of rural counties will organize together and declare themselves autonomous, and stop sending tax money to the state (and possibly federal) governments.


Then the government will send troops in to try and make them start paying taxes again.

At first, posse comitatus will be in effect, and only national guard will mobilize, but if they face real armed resistance, and (gods forbid) take any actual casualties, then the real military will get called.


At that point, individual units within the military will have to start making decisions about where to stand on this, and it's possible that the military itself will split. Quite a lot of soldiers come from small towns, and they're not going to agree to shoot their friends and family. But others may decide to stay loyal to the government that signs their checks.

Wouldn't be much of a war if the whole military agreed to choose a side.

Republicans are going to go down in history for fantasizing about Civil War with blue voters. That is super sad!!!

a reply to: game over man
Your the one that's been talking bout war and bumping old threads like this. What's your angle?

Aren’t we already having civil war?

One faction with guns, not agreeing with protesters, determined to keep them under control.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: game over man
Your the one that's been talking bout war and bumping old threads like this. What's your angle?

So I came up with the idea of civil war? I don't think so...

originally posted by: Annee
Aren’t we already having civil war?

One faction with guns, not agreeing with protesters, determined to keep them under control.

And how many protestors have been shot and killed ... Oh yes, the ones supposedly in the faction with the guns just itching to shoot and kill the ones who murdered them in cold blood.