Everything that exists has a soul, i mean really!?

The whole "Some people have souls, and other don't." Is denial of the way reality functions.

You have to take every aspect of what humans of learned over time and apply as much as you can. Generic science added to esoteric mysticism. One without the other leads to conclusions like this and it's going to set people back or worse lead them down the path to psychosis. I know because i'v watched it happen in minor cults spouting these same lines of reasoning throughout my life. The problem is the way you view your body, soul, and spirit if you even seperate the three of just merge some or all together. because to be honest it doesn't matter.

Nothing that exists can exist outside the whole. Nothing can be separate from it. Nothing can escape being apart of this. To imply as much is to imply you are greater then the whole. That you can resist it's existence for any amount of time for any reason. Not the deepest hell or the highest heaven can do this because all concepts from any viewpoint in any variation all come from the source.

You don't need spiritual wumbo to understand this. It's simply causality. Even taking into the fact that linear time only exist relative to the human mind it STILL EXISTS therefore this argument is not invalid. Humans come from organisms that evolved on a rock in space that was cobbled together by leftovers of an exploding star that was condensed into being from nebulous gasses that were cooled from the endless superheated energy from some undetermined calamitous singularity at the beginning of everything. And before that beginning? Possibility, source. the inbetween of nothingness and something. Unlimited potential that tipped over into 1 instead of 1/0.

Get me? your here so your apart of this. The only difference between you and the stars is the ability to guide fate. Consciousness allows us to >Make Decisions< Emotional depth is what determines how much of that decision making is automatic and driven by circumstance or based on what you truly want in the moment.

But a lack of emotional depth or an over abundance does not equate having more or less soul. Which is the exact reasoning behind a lot of the posts happening now. because it's the reasoning behind or partly behind the philosophies that spawned them.

Souless ones,
psychopaths
NPC's
Drones

All words describing the same phenomena and that's a lack of emotional depth or vise versa. People that the author of whatever "Im special' cult has deemed unworthy of eternity in some form. Don't get me wrong it's HARD to watch 100,000 people collectively funnel into the "Objectively bad decision" tunnel and not feel like their may be something completely wrong with them but it's not a lack of soul. it's a lack of understanding/emotional depth. without it they just follow the curve because it's the path of least resistance.

psychopaths are not soulless. they lack empathy and sometimes imagination but they are still in the cycle of reincarnation like everything else.

dissociated individuals are not soulless, they are muted slightly from experiencing the broad spectrum of their emotions this can easily lead to one making decisions that go against their own wants and desires if they cant even feel what they really want and desire. but the soul remains because it's impossible not to. they just may not hear it as clearly.

you also cannot lose your soul because if it was possible to do so there would be nothing left of this world but animals since EVERYONE has committed the ultimate sins and taboos in a past life at some point.

long story short this is a lie that easily causes people to view the world in a way that I think is stupid. You live in the spirit world right now. There is no separation, no alternate mode of existence greater only other possibilities born from the same source all equal.

I forfeit my soul, for the betterment of the others.

I made an agreement.

a reply to: Omniview

Maybe.
Maybe not.

I am of the opinion that what we know as "life" in this universe is all "sentient" in incredibly diverse ways. Even further, I feel that even geology, planets, stars, etc. are similar. I think they all can hold "memories," but just like humans cant fly by flapping their arms.. A mountain cant jump in the air.

The problem is that we need to bring it into human abstraction, through things like anthropomorphism, to really be able to approach understanding. We say a plant "feeds their children" and the like.

If plantlife is sentient in its own way, would we even be able to recognize it? We essentially define the concept by what is, or isnt, like us.

Probably a lesson in there for approaching topics like aliens too.

Good thread. Personally, when I have any existential woes, I go sit in an old-growth forest that's just 10 minutes from my house. I usually feel 'restored' pretty quickly. Trees are resplendent beings.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Interesting comments. You obviously have a 'well-furnished apartment upstairs', as it were.

a reply to: Omniview

Ok so how do explain all that’s wrong with people, the desire and even satisfaction some feel from harming others? Is this because they are driven by some force we call evil? Or are they lacking in what is good. Like darkness is merely the absence of light, is evil the absence of good in your opinion or something else?

a reply to: Serdgiam

A guy took a lie detector machine to plants and experimented by burning them and such, not only did the plants register “pain” on the machine they also apprehended a response on the machine at the mere threat of harm.

In essence plants are sentient. A book called the secret life of trees is well worth reading.

a reply to: Omniview
It is one big house.
You and I are just looking out of different windows.

But when people say there are NCPs out there that don't have a soul, they are never referring to themselves. At least I have never seen anybody use this line of thought to say they are special because they lack a soul. I think they are simply saying they are special because they have a soul and there are many others out there that don't. Maybe like a hero's complex on a really really easy setting?

My dog has a soul I can see it in his eye's . So yes everything has a soul I wonder about insects though I guess they might because they do try and protect themselves .

What about tree's ?

Everything alive has a spirit, that is what makes us alive. No spirit – no life. Soul is just the spirit individualized.

Soul is the wave ~ Spirit is the ocean

a reply to: Omniview

So are you saying there is no "soul collector" on the Moon?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Omniview
Get me? your here so your apart of this. The only difference between you and the stars is the ability to guide fate. Consciousness allows us to >Make Decisions< Emotional depth is what determines how much of that decision making is automatic and driven by circumstance or based on what you truly want in the moment.

There are many philosophical materialists who choose to believe consciousness is a delusion. The philosophical materalists or realists have been bashing vitalism for a couple of hundred years now. They do not accept or believe in a soul. The philosophical materials think we live in clockwork Universe with hard determinism. And everything that makes up our consciousness is in the material that makes up our brains. It's blasphemy to suggest human beings are more than just their material.

Outside the box thinking on consciousness

Google "scientific materialism debunked" and many people think results from experiments in quantum mechanics show scientific materialism is a belief system and not reality based on measurements.

However, I don't think we have free-will. Unless we have omnipotent powers then we can only choose from choices that are presented to us.

I also been thinking about the idea is does the source of our consciousness and memory solely come from our brain activity. The the idea is you could think of our brain like a computer and the Universe is the matrix. Or you can think of reality as a analog transmitter and our brains are more like analog radio receivers.

There is no doubt that nature us relentless is following the patterns of the standard model. However, nature has propensity to turn to be much stranger than anything we could have ever imagined. For example, what is the IT that decides it's time to collapse the wave function in the double slit experiment. It's not clear if this IT is somehow actively participating in the formation of life, determines how reality gets realized, and is also part of the source of our thoughts and memories.

The problem with our understanding of life is it cannot be all explained by genetics alone. There is something else involved in the way life is formed:

A possible explanation for gaps in our understanding of how life is formed not explained by genetics alone

If you still have staunch convictions that everything other than philosophical materialism is pure made BS then consider the results of these experiments:



As I said it's funny how reality always turns out to be so much stranger than anything we could have ever imagines.

There are indeed people without souls.

This is a matrix reality that souls are plugged into. The rest are part of the matrix experience. They are like the non playable characters of a video game.

a reply to: surfer_soul

I believe there is a documentary by the same name too, presumably connected to the book.

IIRC though, the methodology for things like the pain response was flawed. And even there, we are expecting it to be like us. That might very well be an entirely mistaken premise. Even if we see the results we think confirm our hypothesis!

I might be able to successfully argue that we see the same behavior in a planet when, say, a large celestial object collides or comes close. We see the planet "register pain" perhaps through seismic activity (even looks a lot like an EEG), and we can see it "flinch" in apprehension from gravitational interactions (even if they are slight).

Does that mean it does, or does not have a "soul?" Im not sure it necessarily says anything either way, since the entire exploratory process is predicated on it all being close enough to a human experience where we can relate.

Of course, the problem there is.. The further removed it gets from our ability to abstract and categorize according to the human experience, the more difficult it becomes to comprehend at all.

I do believe everything really does have a spirit, and at multiple scales. But, trying to prove it, or even really understand how it might work at all, is extraordinarily difficult. It might even be impossible if we consider the possibility that there are things in this universe/existence that are so entirely foreign to our species that they might as well not exist (to us). We like to think we will figure it all out, eventually, with some nowadays even thinking we have.. But that might not be true, and we would never know it.

All living entities ARE souls acting under the illusion, “I am this body”.

Human life form is unique in that we can learn what is SELF. The animal kingdom is made up of many thousands of species which are acting under this same illusion. All plant, animal, and aquatic life are conditioned this way. We ALL have denied our constitutional position as spirit souls abiding in loving devotional service to the Supreme and have fallen, favoring a life of unquenched desire and attachment to the material.

Sense gratification is the cause of the causality you mentioned. Material is real, it is not an illusion as the monist suggests. The problem is the human being is constantly struggling to understand their position, their true-selves. Thus, it is a constant feature of human ignorance that they know not of what they speak. Thus they are forever endeavoring to exploit the material resource for their own gratification. The gain they imagine is illusion as the material is temporary whereas the spiritual is eternal. So the foolish continue to say and do all manner of impudent things because they are presently acting as rascals in their illusioned state.

a reply to: SourceTruth

Do you get to play as the other characters in an online video game? You know the ones that are being controlled by actual players like yourself, that do things you don’t necessarily want them to? Well it’s the same with life. Though we are all programmed to some degree and go around acting like programs and playing within the confines or rules of the game. But there are no NPC’s in life, just different levels of skill and tons of noobs around.

I see that you are making this in response to my thread titled "not everyone has to have a soul". I talked about this topic and explained it on my thread.

The whole "Some people have souls, and other don't." Is denial of the way reality functions.

You are completely wrong to dismiss this idea. This reality does not function the way that you think it does.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: SourceTruth

Do you get to play as the other characters in an online video game? You know the ones that are being controlled by actual players like yourself, that do things you don’t necessarily want them to? Well it’s the same with life. Though we are all programmed to some degree and go around acting like programs and playing within the confines or rules of the game. But there are no NPC’s in life, just different levels of skill and tons of noobs around.

There certainly are NPCs in life. They are a part of the creation that is this reality. This reality was created and by creating this reality there are soulless ones that are created to act like souls, so that the souls can exist in a world of soulless ones.

originally posted by: SourceTruth
There are indeed people without souls.

This is a matrix reality that souls are plugged into. The rest are part of the matrix experience. They are like the non playable characters of a video game.

Prove it.

Better yet, prove YOU have a soul.