Everything that exists has a soul, i mean really!?

a reply to: galadofwarthethird
Actually, there are no dreamers and no dream...... just dreaming.

Life/reality is one without a second.

Has anything other than what is actually happening ever been found??

A thought may say... yes.... but the thought itself is what appears to be happening.

originally posted by: SourceTruth

originally posted by: Barcs
Considering the fact that there is no evidence a soul exists, it's safe to say it's very unlikely that anything has a soul. "Soul" is just the equivalent of being alive.

There are some concepts that are simply metaphysical instead of tangible, that we understand exist.

Like what? Even if some concepts are metaphysical, it doesn't mean a soul exists.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird

Or something along those lines.

So you are saying that taking one rock and putting it with another doesn't add up to two, or whatever language they use, in another part of the universe?

Math is a constant... that is not debatable my friend.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yes and it may be hard for you to grasp. But that is exactly what I am saying.

a reply to: Itisnowagain
Nuff said.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Nuff said.

LMFAO!

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird


Yes and it may be hard for you to grasp. But that is exactly what I am saying.

It's not hard for me or billions of other people to understand the fundamental laws of the universe that have been here since the big bang. We just discovered them, but they are not created within our abstract thoughts, but our abstract thoughts helped us to see them.

You are going down the direction of "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" regarding observation and perception.

I agree our perception of the universe is our own, and all other life has a totally different perception than our own. On the other hand, I'm not suggesting the universe is not here if we are not here, though it can not be proven...lol

originally posted by: Xtrozero
the fundamental laws of the universe that have been here since the big bang

We could even say that this thread is discussing if those laws were here, even before the big bang

but our abstract thoughts helped us to see them.

You could only see them for real if those thoughts align with the reality, right?

I think the entire argument is kind of going into who-knows territory : )

originally posted by: Malisa

We could even say that this thread is discussing if those laws were here, even before the big bang

Maybe, or there could be an infinite number of universes with an infinite number of differnt fundamental laws. Our universe just happens to have the laws we observe.

You could only see them for real if those thoughts align with the reality, right?

I think abstract thoughts do not need to align with reality but yes it needs to align if we join the two together. Look around you, everything man-made was an abstract thought at one time that we move to reality, but that doesn't mean everything that is reality is man-made too.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Malisa

We could even say that this thread is discussing if those laws were here, even before the big bang

Maybe, or there could be an infinite number of universes with an infinite number of differnt fundamental laws. Our universe just happens to have the laws we observe.

Yeah, but it's fun to think about it, trying to break free and all that, right?

Imagination is a crazy fun thing to have : )

We may never break out of this reality but it's fun to think about other possibilities anyway

I think abstract thoughts do not need to align with reality but yes it needs to align if we join the two together. Look around you, everything man-made was an abstract thought at one time that we move to reality, but that doesn't mean everything that is reality is man-made too.

However, those abstract thoughts became part of our reality, and are still there even if the people who thought of them are long gone, so that's the current reality, no matter what

Reality got changed permanently? Our reality is not their reality after that day the abstract thought came a real object we could touch and use?

originally posted by: Malisa

We may never break out of this reality but it's fun to think about other possibilities anyway

One fun thing to think about is that our universe might break off into an infinite number of realities. Your reality is down one path if you look behind you but there could be a splintering of realities move forward in everything you and everyone else does as new reality paths are created in all we do or don't do.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Malisa

We may never break out of this reality but it's fun to think about other possibilities anyway

One fun thing to think about is that our universe might break off into an infinite number of realities. Your reality is down one path if you look behind you but there could be a splintering of realities move forward in everything you and everyone else does as new reality paths are created in all we do or don't do.

I can think of that as a supercomputer but imagine the extreme processing power to generate a separate world every single time someone makes a choice

a reply to: Omniview

You know, as hard as this was to read, I tend to agree! The conscious existence of a mineral may seem banal from the perspective of the animal kingdom, but the timescale of that existence would be amazing.

It leads one to conclude that the existence of an "NPC" as so termed is probably comparable to that of a "Trumptard," just as the existence of a Russian Troll would be very similar to, well, another Russian Troll as a Russian Troll would be motivated to sew discord into whatever American Political believe they could get their hands on.

If I were an immortal, omniscient, omnipresent being I'd want to forget these things about me pretty much immediately after conceiving the state of permanence, of mortality. As far a religions go, I feel the idea of one infinite consciousness experiencing its own creation endlessly, in endless iterations, unbound by time, seems satisfying.

Without a definition of a soul, it is disingenuous to declare a psychopath to be soulless. Same with one suffering from so-called "dissociative identity disorder." As far as I can tell, the greatest achievement in life is simply the experience of life. Maybe that's why suicide is frowned upon, despite its clear precedent set in cellular biology. Perhaps suffering itself is just as valuable an experience as happiness and satisfaction may be.

Granted, this makes Hitler's experience just as valuable as that of Gandhi. I'll let you decide whether there's an objective morality if what I've said, and what you seem to be implying, is true.

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originally posted by: SourceTruth

originally posted by: Ruiner1978

originally posted by: SourceTruth

originally posted by: Ruiner1978

originally posted by: SourceTruth

originally posted by: [post=24632392]Ruin

No, that's just what you're scripted to beLIEve...

You are scripted to be dismissive towards me and not consider anything I say.

No, it's just my script has blessed me with the curse of critical thinking.

Obviously not because you cannot accept unconvential and new ways of thinking.

And as I've said to you in another thread, this concept is neither unconventional nor new to me.
It's obviously new to you though.

You don't even realise that I don't even necessarily disagree with the concept...

I didn't mean that the matrix concept was new, but the other concepts I talked about relating to the matrix were new.

Do you agree with the matrix concept or the other concepts?

Depends what you mean by "agree".
I think the movie The Matrix had a point to it. An allegory point.
It's not supposed to be taken literally.

a reply to: Zelun

Anyone who seriously uses the phrase trumptard or russian troll is horribly misinformed and ignorant of anything that happened leading up to and surpassing the 2016 election. this is a conspiracy website for god's sake you'd think you'd be more in the know then 4chan but low and behold.

Anyway this universe decided that there was good and evil. Creation and destruction. You can choose to ignore it or adhere to one extreme but they exist. As far as i can see, an eternally peaceful world with no suffering or conflict is a boring changeless world with almost no meaning or chance for growth.

The cosmos continually obliterates and recreates itself every second in trillions of different ways in all directions. existence in one gigantic orgy of cataclysmic detonations and strange reality shaking events, followed by slower, chaotic, reformation and recreation rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

As above so below. Nature is a bloody mother, commanding her children to eat and kill and survive the crucible of life so that we may grow. If we do not grow she strikes us down with the vengeance of the father and reforms us over and over and over. And the end is playing out before your eyes. You are typing on a computer my dude. You can go outside and eat a burger. Go play a game. Go # and ENJOY it. Go look at some amazing fantastical art and imagine better futures. Futures of peace and prosperity on a galactic level. Watch a good TV show and talk to friends and bull# and any number of infinite concepts alien to any creature but a human.

I don't need a 200IQ brain to figure out what source really wants if not the greatest adventure it can possibly imagine with the greatest struggles one can ever suffer. Its just right there in the open screaming at me from the stars themselves. This entire everything is to create meaning to a being that transcends the concept. so yes the suffering must remain. To drive us into a better future.

Where we will appreciate it because holy # remember how it used to be guys? remember that time that guy stabbed like half the planet to death with a fork so we banded together to create the infinite anti fork generator and now we all have an infinite supply of fork based technology and world peace? Then the planet was almost destroyed by the cult of spoons so we all banded together to create the Spoon/fork matter converters and #ing conquered the galaxy? and then space/time? and then Entropy? And now we're all gods? AND NOW I AM GOD?

of course we make it. Of course it sucks along the way. that's how adventures work. you don't have to like it. In fact you should hate it. Get active. go kill someone or save someone or destroy something or make something. Just don't sit still. that's the only sin in this world.

a reply to: Omniview
Real ultimate power. Nature is a bitch for realz. I don't know about there always being something. As sometimes, in just there being nothing in all of existence, is more then enough. I dont know, I think that some people are just not aware that there a walking talking caricature of the universe at large, the local supermarket, and late night news gag reels, and something somebody just made up.

And so they take themself's so serious.

Reminds me of this book from eons ago. No need to read the whole thing, as I didn't, even though its a comedy classic. But just skimming the intros or back cover letter, will tell you what its all about.
Real Ultimate Power

“The early Christian philosophers adopted the Greek concept of the soul’s immortality and thought of the soul as being created by God and infused into the body at conception.”​—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 11, page 25.

The doctrine of the immortality of the soul raised questions: Where do souls go after death? What happens to the souls of the wicked? When nominal Christians adopted the myth of the immortal soul, this led them to accept another myth​—the teaching of hellfire.

“soul = living being, individual, person.” (As defined by Koehler and Baumgartner’s Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros (Leiden, 1958, p. 627)

Fact: At death a person/soul ceases to exist. A soul is not some immaterial part of man that survives the death of the physical body.

a reply to: SourceTruth

It's a serious theory from some scientists so you'll have to ask them. I'm not saying I'm for it or against.

a reply to: ghaleon12

What theory are you referring to?