This is what socialized medicine looks like

See, and this is why pharma should not be able to patent meds. Especially meds that are often researched in schools and funded by us taxpayers. Like wth is up with $300 insulin? It literally takes cents to make, and was given away free by the creators. What utter bs. There is one reason meds cost so much, and it’s the same it’s always been. Greed.

a reply to: toolgal462

Come on! Compared to Americans everyone is a leftie.

a reply to: JAGStorm

The article's is talking about a specific ( highly effective but expensive treatment).

Canada drug is given based on medical need, more advanced cases

In US based on ability to afford.

Both are rationed one way or another.

originally posted by: pexx421
See, and this is why pharma should not be able to patent meds. Especially meds that are often researched in schools and funded by us taxpayers. Like wth is up with $300 insulin? It literally takes cents to make, and was given away free by the creators. What utter bs. There is one reason meds cost so much, and it’s the same it’s always been. Greed.

You realize that insulin used to be CHEAP before the ACA was passed.

Do you also realized that the Obama administration purposely left that loophole in there allowing big pharma to hike up the cost of meds to outrageous levels so they could "recoup" all that money they'd be losing because of ACA?

Glad you brought up that racket...

a reply to: toolgal462

Lots of common and cheap meds had that happen to them. One of the common gout meds was another one it happened with.

You probably don’t realize that I despise Obama and Obamacare as much as I despise trump and trump care. It’s ok, others try to paint me into a Democrat corner too, like that right wing corporatist hack ketsuko. But I’m non partisan, I’ve voted republican, Democrat, and indie. So rain on Obamacare all day; and I’ll be right there with you.

originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: toolgal462
I did NOT get that story from the media, I got it from my friend first hand. Get a life.

If you can't actually argue without making up your own facts - well then you must be a Leftie.

Geesus it's annoying.

As opposed to making retarded claims about systems you have no actual knowledge about?

"retarded"?

What a brilliant response.

I expect no less from you, I can't wait for your next response.

You know, an educated and dignified person can choose to believe or not believe my story. But it takes a real nutbag to get all offended and lash out at someone just because you don't LIKE what they are saying.

Or, you could have simply called me a liar. Which would have been more mature as well.

But the way you are acting leads me to believe you are filled with anger and rage. I will venture a guess that you also suffer from TDS?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: pexx421

Have you gotten a concussion from all that irony smacking you in the face yet?

Don't poke the Leftie please.

originally posted by: toolgal462
But the way you are acting leads me to believe you are filled with anger and rage. I will venture a guess that you also suffer from TDS?

I don't overly care about politicians I have no say in picking, nor liability in their choices.

You want to entrench yourself in ignorance, feel free to do so.

I could care less...and even if I did...
The whaaambulance would be free.
I can stay in the burn ward as long as I take to heal with no worry about long term financial issues.
I can get unlimited time in rehab.
And, my medication will cost me close to what I carry in pocket change....

All for less than what the US is paying (with public funds) for a 'private' system.

originally posted by: toolgal462

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: pexx421

Have you gotten a concussion from all that irony smacking you in the face yet?

Don't poke the Leftie please.

Mrouwrr!!

Here we go again. The usual our system ( US ) is better than "socialized ( Read: Communism trigger ) medicine" of other countries.

When will you ATS'ers accept figures/facts over rhetoric and scare mongering?


www.investopedia.com...

The United States currently ranks highest in health care spending among the developed nations of the world. According to data released by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in 2018 (the latest for which figures were available), the U.S. rate was a staggering $10,000 per capita. Luxembourg had the second-highest health care budget, with expenditures at $8,000 per capita; Switzerland and Norway round out the top three, spending $7,000 per capita each.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

Healthcare spending is a critical expense for most nations and their citizens in order to stay healthy and cared for.


The U.S. continues to spend the most on healthcare per person, even though health outcomes and quality of care is not often ranked highest.


Many European countries follow the U.S. in healthcare spending, but the big difference is most of that cost is subsidized by the government while the U.S. relies on costly, private health insurance plans.

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Countries Spending Most on Healthcare
The following 2018 list ranks the top 18 in terms of spending on healthcare per capita according to the OECD.

United States
Switzerland
Luxembourg
Norway
Germany
Sweden
Netherlands
Denmark
France
Austria
Japan
Ireland
Belgium
Iceland
Canada
United Kingdom
Australia
Finland

Edit Source: www.investopedia.com...

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

If the system is so much cheaper when socialized, why are the so-called wonderful countries still ranked so high on the list in terms of cost of care?

That's not free.

a reply to: Blaine91555

We also pay way more for drugs because we pay for the R&D and other countries don't. They just let us fund it all by paying higher prices

R & D that other countries dont?

The truth is more complicated, but I doubt you'll understand the following as your mind is probably already made up

time.com...

There are essentially no regulations governing how drugs are priced. Instead, pharmaceutical companies select a price based on a drug’s estimated value, which typically translates into what they “believe the market will bear,” said Dr. Aaron Kesselheim, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.

there are essentially no regulations governing how drugs are priced. Instead, pharmaceutical companies select a price based on a drug’s estimated value, which typically translates into what they “believe the market will bear,” said Dr. Aaron Kesselheim, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. Blockbuster first-in-class treatments, therefore, command stratospheric prices. When Gilead Sciences received Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for its hepatitis medication Sovaldi in 2013, the company priced it at $1,000 a pill, or $84,000 for the full course of treatment. The price was possible because the drug worked and, for a time, was the most convenient and effective treatment on the market.

For drugs entering a crowded disease category with multiple other options, the calculus is different. In such cases, a new treatment will typically be priced similarly to its competitors.

The dollar amount a manufacturer assigns a drug is the list price, and functions “like a sticker price on a car,” said Mello. The pharmaceutical company will, depending on the drug and buyer, provide a variety of discounts off the list price.

How such discounts are negotiated is proprietary, carefully guarded by the system’s various players.

a reply to: ketsuko

Who said anything about "free"?

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: ketsuko

Who said anything about "free"?

That’s just how ketsuko talks, ignore her.

a reply to: pexx421

The US ranks behind those pesky 1st world nations, that have good National Safety net healthcare, in innovation when it comes to medical research,


www.quora.com...

Of course everyone can see that the US pumps out a lot of medical research. We are all grateful for that.

The US also has a large and rather wealthy population as well. We cannot expect a small country like Sweden or Australia to be able to complete on the basis of sheer volume of research.

But if you normalize for population, a slightly different picture emerges.

DP