Bernie Sanders: Would he really be that bad.?.?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

That's why I brought up owning 19 carriers with half of them operating around the globe. Nobody is collecting unless we feel like paying it but they are welcome to die trying.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: burdman30ott6

That's why I brought up owning 19 carriers with half of them operating around the globe. Nobody is collecting unless we feel like paying it but they are welcome to die trying.

You guys are pretty ridiculous. We literally pay it every year. If you don't you loose your status.

Time for economics as a mandatory study. Cause ignorance is insane here.

a reply to: luthier

I 'preciate the conversation as well

I wouldn't necessarily mind seeing a boring centrist either. And yeah.. not Biden! Ive believed the Dems were going to push Harris since the whole Smollett thing (conspiracy!). Really dont like her either though, and despite efforts to downplay it.. Tulsi hit Harris hard. Honestly, all of them seem to hold some position or two that I believe would have us hitting that race track wall, fast.

I actually feel that free college would be a boon for our nation, despite its cost. Buuuut, its not something to be done overnight and I think we need to approach with truly novel ideas, enabled by tech, rather than just keeping everything as is, but making it free. Thatll be a disaster.. Its not really accurate to my thoughts, but I believe we can achieve a "Star Trek future."

I also feel like the trade school option, as well as self-taught individuals, should be just as legitimate as "typical" college. Perhaps moreso, nowadays..

Annoyingly, most of what the dems stand on is predicated on a notion I stand firmly against. I feel like they marginalize ideas and concepts that I hold dear, and want these massive changes to happen overnight "or else." I loathe the idea of operating like that, and socially blackmailing people to bend the knee.

I feel like the least risky option is actually Trump. But, thats tempered with a longstanding belief that the MSM is truly an enemy of the people, as well as the true source of the vast majority of issues we are having culturally, socially, and politically. Though, I wouldnt say they are the "masterminds" behind what they have been doing for over a decade now.. I can also identify with Trump's "Asshole Troll Gene," if Im honest with myself.

But, these calls for things like eradicating all Trump supporters concerns me. In and of themselves, its not unheard of behavior, but its boosted through so many vectors now. For many years, righties have disavowed most of the fringe elements, even if they defend their rights**. But, we see very different behavior from massive information channels and individuals on the "left." I see us "johnny rocket-ing" off into truly dangerous territory there too.

**Defense of rights is NOT support of ideology for many.. But going back to the whole "you cant just be ok with something, you have to actively support it in everything you do" narrative that has permeated the left, I can see how (from their perspective) there is no such thing as defending anything regarding those who disagree. I dont agree with it, at all, but I can see how they would operate under that premise.

a reply to: Serdgiam

They ignored klobochar who actually has a bipartisan record.

I guess she isnt pretty or sassy enough.

Harris is hilary willing to do anything.

Trump is a disaster. A total dumpster fire imo and I have very logical conclusions to debate but people are tribal about their support.

Trump could ban guns and people would say at least it ain't a commie.


I guess I just want the country to be ok we are different and calm the fck down.

The liberals are absolutely insane. This is why Yang is doing better than senators...he is calm amicable and willing to debate and talk with everyone.

The only guy looking out for working class white dudes is an Asian man

a reply to: Assassin82

Bernie is bad because many of the things he wants free are already free. You know this being in the Air Force. Nothing is stopping able body people under 30 from joining active or reserves. That's a paycheck, healthcare, free tuition and a job skill. They will even pay off student loans.

He should only be proclaiming this for non able body people and those well up in age. Not able body youth who do not want to earn something on their own or scoff at the military. Hey, too bad. Take it or leave it. Nobody owes them anything. They are more than capable of earning it themselves. Giving things to able body people will not solve their problems. It will make them worse.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: Assassin82

Bernie is bad because many of the things he wants free are already free. You know this being in the Air Force. Nothing is stopping able body people under 30 from joining active or reserves. That's a paycheck, healthcare, free tuition and a job skill. They will even pay off student loans.

He should only be proclaiming this for non able body people and those well up in age. Not able body youth who do not want to earn something on their own or scoff at the military. Hey, too bad. Take it or leave it. Nobody owes them anything. They are more than capable of earning it themselves. Giving things to able body people will not solve their problems. It will make them worse.

Your philosophy doeant benefit anyone if the reality is there are no workers, people are killing themselves and each other, etc...

It also seems you are clueless as to the job market changes and automation apocalypse..

A few things. First off, trump has done more to destroy the dollar as the world reserve than anyone else, but all the past presidents contributed too. Most other nations are divesting their dollar reserves, and forming trade unions external to the US, they are forming alternatives to SWIFT, and joining the belt road initiative. They are also refusing to trade in dollars. The dollar as reserve is doomed, and quickly.

Secondly, all the statistics show that the status of the majority of the American population is declining. Purchasing power has not changed in 40 years, even though we are far more productive, which means people are doing more work for less money. And..... the corporations have already left. We are continuing deindustrialization, and most real manufacturing has left. We still have some tech but China has surpassed us in most fields. Our only growth industries are tech, medical, and finance, of which only tech is productive. Both the others make their profit by exploiting the mass and should really be counted by subtracting them from gdp.

And to finish, the baby boomers are retiring. They make fun of the current workforce calling the kids lazy and weak, even though they grew up in a much easier economy. But guess what? They didn’t really do too well either! 40% of those “hard working, responsible” boomers have absolutely nothing saved for retirement. The next 20% have less than 50k saved up. That’s nothing. That’s 60% of our soon to retire boomers who have not saved for their pending retirement. The next 20% have under $150k. Not a bad sum? Not enough. If they live another 10 years that’s 15k a year. Fully 80% of our pending retirees are about to become a burden upon their lazy, stupid kids who are busy working multiple jobs for $19 an hour. If this looks like a successful economy to you, you are failing to grasp the broad realities.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: Assassin82

Bernie is bad because many of the things he wants free are already free. You know this being in the Air Force. Nothing is stopping able body people under 30 from joining active or reserves. That's a paycheck, healthcare, free tuition and a job skill. They will even pay off student loans.

He should only be proclaiming this for non able body people and those well up in age. Not able body youth who do not want to earn something on their own or scoff at the military. Hey, too bad. Take it or leave it. Nobody owes them anything. They are more than capable of earning it themselves. Giving things to able body people will not solve their problems. It will make them worse.

Your philosophy doeant benefit anyone if the reality is there are no workers, people are killing themselves and each other, etc...

It also seems you are clueless as to the job market changes and automation apocalypse..

How can I be clueless. I was working a civilian job when I was in the Reserves. That's one weekend a month in the Military and the rest of the time at a civilian job. I earned free tuition, cheap health insurance, a second paycheck and a military job skill. It worked out great!

Almost nobody dies in the US military. It less than 1% if that's what you are hinting about. Way more dangerous jobs than being in the military.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: Assassin82

Bernie is bad because many of the things he wants free are already free. You know this being in the Air Force. Nothing is stopping able body people under 30 from joining active or reserves. That's a paycheck, healthcare, free tuition and a job skill. They will even pay off student loans.

He should only be proclaiming this for non able body people and those well up in age. Not able body youth who do not want to earn something on their own or scoff at the military. Hey, too bad. Take it or leave it. Nobody owes them anything. They are more than capable of earning it themselves. Giving things to able body people will not solve their problems. It will make them worse.

Your philosophy doeant benefit anyone if the reality is there are no workers, people are killing themselves and each other, etc...

It also seems you are clueless as to the job market changes and automation apocalypse..

How can I be clueless. I was working a civilian job when I was in the Reserves. That's one weekend a month in the Military and the rest of the time at a civilian job. I earned free tuition, cheap health insurance, a second paycheck and a military job skill. It worked out great!

Almost nobody dies in the US military. It less than 1% if that's what you are hinting about. Way more dangerous jobs than being in the military.

So force them? How about should we force people into the trades too? Reality is reality not idealism.

originally posted by: Gothmog
I once thought so.
That Bernie was a potential President
Until he took a knee and kissed the ring of his Queen

I'm with you. That is when he lost most of his supporters. Now he just a bad joke.

a reply to: luthier

I believe that anyone, political figure or otherwise, would result in a dumpster fire if they dont fully support this ideology. I would think that though, because I have been outspoken about it for over a decade, so I have a bias there.

That said, even if I do see an escalation in this, it both predated Trump and is in line with the exponential escalation I predicted years and years ago. I literally see no difference between now and then, other than intensity.

I have my hypotheses on the "why," but that starts to veer off topic. Suffice it to say, I dont think its just happenstance.

Trump certainly doesnt help though. He uses the outrage to distract his opposition constantly. It is obviously effective, but it plays into an operation that was in action long before his political endeavors.

I dont really care about race, so wont speak to that. But, my biggest concern with someone like Yang (who I am not convinced has a chance at all, given the Dems SOP) is that he is suggesting concepts that I feel we need to do right. Not just for "change," and explicitly as a foundation going forward (this is a stickler, even if so many seem to believe its innate). And I really dont know if that can happen in four small years. Trying to do so may very well have the same result as his fellow dems who actually are insane. So, crazy or not, the end result might be indistinguishable.

Really though, I love that he is bringing the topics he is to the world at large. Even if I feel that is as much as his role should be.. Its a critically important one and I really appreciate it as its something I have been talking about for years.

originally posted by: luthier
Makes sense for a liberal I guess.

I'm a liberal?

originally posted by: luthier
Time for economics as a mandatory study. Cause ignorance is insane here.

My minor is in economics, with macroeconomics as the focal point, oh self admitted Philosophy major. While you were casting runes to try to discern the deeper meaning behind human thought, I was dealing with actual numbers, statistics, and economic theories in real world practice. It might be wise for you to philosphize your way towards a topic you actually understand.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: Assassin82

Bernie is bad because many of the things he wants free are already free. You know this being in the Air Force. Nothing is stopping able body people under 30 from joining active or reserves. That's a paycheck, healthcare, free tuition and a job skill. They will even pay off student loans.

He should only be proclaiming this for non able body people and those well up in age. Not able body youth who do not want to earn something on their own or scoff at the military. Hey, too bad. Take it or leave it. Nobody owes them anything. They are more than capable of earning it themselves. Giving things to able body people will not solve their problems. It will make them worse.

Your philosophy doeant benefit anyone if the reality is there are no workers, people are killing themselves and each other, etc...

It also seems you are clueless as to the job market changes and automation apocalypse..

How can I be clueless. I was working a civilian job when I was in the Reserves. That's one weekend a month in the Military and the rest of the time at a civilian job. I earned free tuition, cheap health insurance, a second paycheck and a military job skill. It worked out great!

Almost nobody dies in the US military. It less than 1% if that's what you are hinting about. Way more dangerous jobs than being in the military.

So force them? How about should we force people into the trades too? Reality is reality not idealism.

Where did I say force them. It's a REAL option is what I am saying. Don't have to choose that option but if the Government is paying for it then yes, they owe me something in return. They have to earn it. Otherwise, they can do it on their own.
I want something in return for it. It's not free either. I am paying for it.

a reply to: Serdgiam

I don't know. The difference is Trump doesn't even have the ability to hide it and the public thinks that is refreshing. Like an adult who doesn't stop swearing and talking about sex in front of grandma..

The Smithsonian exhibit from his own words alone would be tough to bring a kid through.

On the other hand his economic policy is the most dangerous thing we have had in a long time. Massive massive debt..we should be taking it the other way if the economy is great. Trade war is as poorly managed as possible and not telling the public it may get ugly...but rather it's not even going to be a hiccup is a huge mistake. Not aligning allies to deal with trade supply lines dumb.

Yang is an idea guy. You want him in the room not on the button I feel like.

The point is though he is very popular for a nobody. People do want to have a peacemaker.

Unfortunately the media is a real problem. Not like trump says because with out them he is far less. But that people believe other people besides outrageous liars with no real plans will never have a chance.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: Assassin82

Bernie is bad because many of the things he wants free are already free. You know this being in the Air Force. Nothing is stopping able body people under 30 from joining active or reserves. That's a paycheck, healthcare, free tuition and a job skill. They will even pay off student loans.

He should only be proclaiming this for non able body people and those well up in age. Not able body youth who do not want to earn something on their own or scoff at the military. Hey, too bad. Take it or leave it. Nobody owes them anything. They are more than capable of earning it themselves. Giving things to able body people will not solve their problems. It will make them worse.

Your philosophy doeant benefit anyone if the reality is there are no workers, people are killing themselves and each other, etc...

It also seems you are clueless as to the job market changes and automation apocalypse..

How can I be clueless. I was working a civilian job when I was in the Reserves. That's one weekend a month in the Military and the rest of the time at a civilian job. I earned free tuition, cheap health insurance, a second paycheck and a military job skill. It worked out great!

Almost nobody dies in the US military. It less than 1% if that's what you are hinting about. Way more dangerous jobs than being in the military.

So force them? How about should we force people into the trades too? Reality is reality not idealism.

Where did I say force them. It's a REAL option is what I am saying. Don't have to choose that option but if the Government is paying for it then yes, they owe me something in return. They have to earn it. Otherwise, they can do it on their own.
I want something in return for it. It's not free either. I am paying for it.

I understand you basically just said what I posted negotiations look like when liberals and conservatives serve their function.

However, the return is debatable, the service is debatable, the training offered or schooling is debatable. The only plan that exists is not a GI bill as good as it is. Every community has slightly different needs. Right now we need people working on addiction issues and rehab for instance in many areas that also need jobs.

Offer training specialized in the field and use the internship to carry some weight off the local government..

We need people to accept both sides can offer advice and play a role. The elections are nearly 50/50 for a long time. Certainly not enough to dictate specific ideology from a federal government. Presidents should be more boring.

Its Congress that we should focus on.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

That is great...perhaps you think 1.that is the only degree 2. I haven't studied economics..

So you do understand then that we can not simply default and stay the 60 percent reserve currency and we pay nearly as much as the military budget in yearly interest?


Didn't sound like it. Sounded like you like printing money.

Dont panic but check the yield curve..

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: luthier
Makes sense for a liberal I guess.

I'm a liberal?

My minor is in economics, with macroeconomics as the focal point

Yes you obviously are a Keynesian I prefer Hayek and Milton.


Little secret....its crazy.....economics is literally philosophy. Its divided into schools of philosophy.

If any of these student loan forgiveness things passes, I want every single penny I paid back with interest. Just because you got a degree in some field that either isn't large enough to hire you, or doesn't pay you enough to cover your portion is none of my damn concern. I've paid over 75k thus far with another 30k to go, however unlike some that is not for a single degree, it is for a BS, MS, and MBA. All of which are relevant in fields that are experiencing a massive shortage of qualified candidates, and consequently pay quite well. Even with building a new house this year, I'm still on track to be student debt free in 2 more years, so yeah, I'd be thrilled to get all of that cash back, immediately throw it onto my house and other investments and call it a day.

a reply to: luthier

Almost everything is debatable. I just fail to see how joining the Reserves is debatable for a healthy, younger person who needs tuition, healthcare, pay and a skill. They don't even have to go to combat (Hardly anyone does by the way). They could join the Coast Guard.

I draw most of what I know from experience and what I know, I went from a Private to a Captain in the Reserves. I was a complete dufus in high school. Barely passed. I joined the Reserves, met inspiring people, learned how to be a leader, earned my college degree and picked up many skills along the journey.

One was driving a military 18 wheeler with no power steering. I'm now an excellent driver. Got me my first job out of college working for a car rental company. I used my comradery skills from the military and motivated everyone to shoot for the hard to achieve the impossible customer satisfaction goals. Long story short; we all got the bonuses when I was there. That does not happen if I'm not in the Reserves.

I get the drug problem. I took an elective in college on drug abuse. Again, that does not happen without the free military tuition. I do my best to explain to people the danger of these designer drugs. It's damn near impossible to kick. I have told countless people this information. Don't even think about trying it basically. That does not happen if I did not join the Reserves. No telling how many people I helped steer away from drugs.

I bet I pointed and influenced more people away from drugs than any organization because I had access to young people in the military and also at my civilian job.