Romans Made Up Jesus as Wartime Propaganda to Pacify Jews, US Scholar Claims

a reply to: JustJohnny

So when Jesus ABOLISHED every barrier to god... that isn’t by definition changing the laws?!?

If you have a contract with one man does that mean you can't have any with anyone else without changing the first.

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: SeaWorthy

Paul never met Jesus...

Paul’s accounts are all from “visions” he claimed to have had later.. years after his death..



Wanna try again lol????


The gospels are the only books that claim to be written by actual witnesses to the life of Jesus..

Everything else is “I had a dream about!”

Lol

Your point was Jewish followers....

Well, I’m all this, I believe and have faith in that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior. He died for my sins and saved me from hell. I will go to heaven when I pass from this earth. But to what the title regards, I’m not going to argue if it was true or not. If you want to take the chance, not to believe in him, then you’ll find out when you die. There will be no do overs, 2nd chances. To each their own.

originally posted by: Drakon
a reply to: Gothmog "You do realize Islam goes back to Ishmael and Father Abraham , yes ?
Facepalm is all on you... "

Islam also claims that even though Mohammed died in Arabia, he flew to heaven from Jerusalem riding a white horse.

Muslims `CLAIM' their religion goes back to Abraham. They have done everything to legitimize their bloodthirsty god.

No , you have the Bible , the Torah and the Quran that collaborate.

a reply to: 727Sky



This reminds me of an old adage about Christianity: To His believers, no proof is necessary, and to His doubters, no proof is possible.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: trollz
If you knew when he was born would you change? Would you submit to hi's teachings? Is his birth that important to you?

Whether or not I follow his teachings wouldn't have anything to do with that. The teachings can have value on their own. But I'm not 100% convinced he existed. Knowing a more specific time of when he was supposed to have been born instead of a vague "some time in spring or fall, probably one of these years here" would go a long way towards people believing in his existence. We have records of random peasants being born and dying, why don't we even so much as know what year Jesus was born in? The bible is full of people who never met Jesus quoting him word for word, and yet nobody even knows what year he was born.

a reply to: trollz

The bible is full of people who never met Jesus quoting him word for word, and yet nobody even knows what year he was born.

Well, obviously Jesus was important enough that people started and continue our dating system that's labeled with a B.C. (Before Christ) and A.D. (After Death).

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: trollz

The bible is full of people who never met Jesus quoting him word for word, and yet nobody even knows what year he was born.

Well, obviously Jesus was important enough that people started and continue our dating system that's labeled with a B.C. (Before Christ) and A.D. (After Death).

A.D.” does not mean “after death,” as many people suppose. “B.C.” stands for the English phrase “before Christ,” but “A.D.” stands confusingly for a Latin phrase: anno domini (“in the year of the Lord”—the year Jesus was born). If the calendar actually changed with Jesus’ death, then what would we do with the years during which he lived? Since Jesus was probably actually born around 6 B.C. or so, the connection of the calendar with him can be misleading. Many Biblical scholars, historians, and archeologists prefer the less sectarian designations “before the Common Era” (B.C.E.) and “the Common Era” (C.E.). Traditionally “A.D.” was placed before the year number and “B.C.” after, but many people now prefer to put both abbreviations after the numbers.

brians.wsu.edu...

In c. 525 CE, however, a new concept in dating was introduced by a monk named Dionysius Exiguus (c. 470-544 CE) which provided the groundwork for the later dating system of BC/AD.

While the Gospel of Matthew states in chapter 2:1 that Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the Great, the Gospel of Luke states in chapter 2:1-2 that Jesus was born during the first census of the rule of Quirinius, governor of Syria. According to ancient sources, the date of this census is about 6 CE. Thus, the Bible is internally inconsistent regarding the year of Jesus’ birth. (2)

www.ancient.eu...

a reply to: trollz

www.biblicalarchaeology.org...

The extrabiblical evidence from the first and second century is equally spare: There is no mention of birth celebrations in the writings of early Christian writers such as Irenaeus (c. 130–200) or Tertullian (c. 160–225).

Origen of Alexandria (c. 165–264) goes so far as to mock Roman celebrations of birth anniversaries, dismissing them as “pagan” practices—a strong indication that Jesus’ birth was not marked with similar festivities at that place and time.1 As far as we can tell, Christmas was not celebrated at all at this point.

This stands in sharp contrast to the very early traditions surrounding Jesus’ last days. Each of the Four Gospels provides detailed information about the time of Jesus’ death.

According to John, Jesus is crucified just as the Passover lambs are being sacrificed. This would have occurred on the 14th of the Hebrew month of Nisan, just before the Jewish holiday began at sundown (considered the beginning of the 15th day because in the Hebrew calendar, days begin at sundown).

In Matthew, Mark and Luke, however, the Last Supper is held after sundown, on the beginning of the 15th. Jesus is crucified the next morning—still, the 15th.a

This thread is a joke Rome wasn’t in danger from Jews they had them oppressed though they didn’t want to ever have to quell their uprisings it wasn’t because they couldn’t or wouldn’t it was because they didn’t want to have to deal with the embarrassment or the consequences from their superiors...
And riddle me this how would creating Jesus pacify the Jews?
whom were prophesied would reject him and even play a major role in his death. They were moved into such a rage over Jesus that a rebellious mob was on the verge of a major uprising and that’s the only reason the Roman leader agreed to sentence him to death. This is documented it transpired and was recorded in Roman history just like it did in the bible...
Perhaps they should have created Conan the barbarian to save them from the Germanic leader Odoacer who became the first barbarian leader of Rome...

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
This thread is a joke Rome wasn’t in danger from Jews they had them oppressed though they didn’t want to ever have to quell their uprisings it wasn’t because they couldn’t or wouldn’t it was because they didn’t want to have to deal with the embarrassment or the consequences from their superiors...

It was still a hassle to put down those rebellions. War propaganda could make it easier.

And riddle me this how would creating Jesus pacify the Jews?

Actually, it ended up seriously reducing the "Jewish" population

After the destruction of the temple at Jerusalem, Rabbinical Judaism changed its rules so that only literate Jews could be considered to be in compliance with Jewish law. (They had to be able to read Jewish texts and comply in private.)

Consequently, the majority of remaining illiterate Jews converted to Christianity and stopped calling themselves "Jews". They just became ordinary, every day, citizens of their respective countries. Lost to history.

whom were prophesied would reject him and even play a major role in his death. They were moved into such a rage over Jesus that a rebellious mob was on the verge of a major uprising and that’s the only reason the Roman leader agreed to sentence him to death.

Its actually because the San Hedrin blackmailed him, by telling him he would be an enemy of Caesar if he didn't. (IE. they would bad mouth him to Caesar, which would be a good way to get him executed.)

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

We are talking about the Romans here if they had a desire to pacify the Jews further it would have been in a murderous rampage resulting in genocide. Get real..
The majority of Jews did not convert to Christianity the followers of Jesus spread out to other parts of the World to spread the story of Jesus. And the second temple was destroyed a couple decades after the death of Jesus due to Jewish uprising not a Christian uprising or a Jewish conversion to Christianity... Many Jews were slaughtered and they no longer had their major place of worship so had to worship more privately and of course were under greater oppression once again...
As for the council that is the rebellion I was speaking about because they were entirely responsible for stirring it up knowing full well the problems they could cause for the procurator in the eyes of Caesar. This is the only thing you got right yet you didn’t even realize I had already said it...

a reply to: Gothmog

No he means historians of the time never mentioned a word about a guy named Jesus who would have been very popular and mentioned alot. Pls prove me wrong on this if I have been informed wrong. Show me one historian alive at the time of Jesus who wrote about him and the things he did. I would say "go ahead I'll wait" but I'm not going to cause I know you will never find it.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Period whatever you want to call it..

The Old Testament says “don’t change any of the laws.”

Jesus said “I will not be changing any laws..”


Yet Christianity and Judaism in NO WAY , follow the same laws or rules, nor do they even remotely have the same structure.

a reply to: gflyg

If I’m right there are a couple vauge mentions by Josephus.. and I think they would have been living at the same time..


That said Josephus barely mentions him (like literally one line) and considers him a fraud if memory serves.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

There already was a murderous rampage and mass genocide..

That is half of the theory the OP is referencing..

That the romans killed off just an insane amount of Jews, mainly the religious cast and destroyed all the texts they could..


This religious bottleneck, hypothetically provided the wiggle room for the romans to install their own , kinder and gentler Judaism “.


AND the romans were GOOD at erasing cultures.. I wanna say no Jewish religious text survived the period to today..

originally posted by: JustJohnny
I wanna say no Jewish religious text survived the period to today..

The dead sea scrolls don't count, or weren't considered contemporary?

a reply to: Deetermined

Not really...

Everyone had different dating systems, but since the Europeans hit the Industrial Age first, they became the centerpiece for global trade and “poof” what do you know, everyone had to start using their dating system to play ball..



Asia still might not use a western calendar and the majority of the worlds population lives in Asia..

a reply to: Deetermined

You could also make that same argument about the divinity of any historical figure.

“Well If Alexander the Great wasn’t really divine, how is he still so influential to this day?!?!””

And yes Alexander’s contemporaries thought he was the son of god..

Hell just now thinking about it you can make that argument concerning anything really..


“If hitler wasn’t supposed to kill all the Jews, then why was he so damn successful?!! “



Because all kinds crazy stuff happens when you give a psyche keys to the best military on the planet...
Just like Alexander was a psychopath who got handed the keys to the best military on the planet..


Man that full circle was unintentional!!

Lol

a reply to: DanZek

Sorry but these OT prophecies about the coming `Messiah' are about as convincing as Granny prophesying that - `Tomorrow it will rain - Or it will not.'

There is nothing particularly specific about them. And I am a Christian.

Think - How many pages long is the Bible?

About 1,000.

And how many of those pages are the WORDS OF CHRIST?

Maybe 100 pages. Only 10%. Why so little? The Bible is for Christians, not Jews.

And of the Christian 10% percent of the Bible it's all basically the same short Gospel repeated 4 times with minor changes (to make them more believable).

Other than that the Bible is all Jewish history, Jewish lore. Jewish religion. And Jewish blood sacrifice - Which Jesus was dead set against.

And THIS supposedly Christian `Bible' is why the US gives Israel $billions every year and fights all their wars in the Middle East. Our good boys give their blood because the US Evangelical `Amen Corner' demands it. All based on the (Jewish) Bible.

Jesus was a Jew and don't you ever forget it. But was he?