My reason to walk away

a reply to: projectvxn


You be you and piss on the parties..

I would honestly consider myself a blue dog democrat... if they hadn't gone extinct.

search for a small third party that you can believe in and try to help make a difference, I know for me I swore off both parties and will continue to help VPOA in the hope that one day we can break the two party strangle hold on our nation.

f this it a vain hope, probably but if we lay down and quit it will never change, stand up and fight and maybe, just maybe if the stars align we can change things for the better.

I just try to vote for the better person. Sometimes I screw it up.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: projectvxn


You be you and piss on the parties..

I would honestly consider myself a blue dog democrat... if they hadn't gone extinct.

search for a small third party that you can believe in and try to help make a difference, I know for me I swore off both parties and will continue to help VPOA in the hope that one day we can break the two party strangle hold on our nation.

f this it a vain hope, probably but if we lay down and quit it will never change, stand up and fight and maybe, just maybe if the stars align we can change things for the better.

That's what we really need is the breakup of this two-party system. Not that I agree with many of his positions, but I wish Sanders had run as an Independent in '16 because he had the best chance of anyone in years of garnering a large enough percentage of the vote to be taken seriously. We need a serious alternative to what we have now.

a reply to: projectvxn

Easy solution, do not belong to someone else's ideas. The biggest problems with this country is politics. Everyone thinks they have to belong to a political party (in states like IL if you don't claim affiliation your choices to vote go away.) I was raised in a Democratic household, and no one in my family will talk politics with me because no matter which "party" you "belong" too I can point out all the evil they do. The D and the R are divisions of the corporate party which enslaves us all. They both have 1 purpose to divide us, and it's working as everyone is at everyone else's throat over some garbage spewed by someone who could care less about us as human beings. I long for this Russian hoax to be over so I know longer have to defend that meglomaniac and am able to point all the reasons he is garbage (using tarrifs to game the stock market, etc.) My dad looked like he was gonna implode the last time I talked politics with him (explaining why BS was a better choice than HRC.) Before that he could not understand why I though Mickey mouse would be a better president than Billy. I admit I fell victim to the change Barry promised and after his 2nd day when he said jk we are just gonna stick with whats already in place I quickly fell out of his spell. Its 2019 where are my flying cars?

The word liberal on it's own means open and wasteful.
I was putting together this wooden desk and the directions said apply the glue liberally.

Then at one point said apply the glue conservatively.

One point you could waste the glue and use as much as you like, be liberal

Another point you had to conserve.

If you hold a liberal stance with your sexuality it leads to disease and .maybe trying some unnatural things with the help of some man made lubricants.

If your liberal with your money, your spend too freely, dont save and usually rack up debt.

If your liberal with your borders, you don't have a definitive country.

As you get older most will find the formula of conservation to be more successful.
Conserve your money
Conserve your sexuality
Conserve your borders
Conserve your resources

Dont be liberal

Ttobann on page one

Like the post above you said.

Italy, Hungary, Poland, Australia.

And soon to be France and Germany and England next round.

What the OP is doing about it is ‘walking away’ which really means ‘voting’.

Bye bye ‘left’

originally posted by: ttobban
a reply to: ketsuko

Stay centered... realize and understand that I may be talking to myself, but am willing and able to take a step in any direction I want without the aid or support of a faction or group that clearly needs the help or assistance of others.

Worrying about what others think and do keeps a good stall on movement, whether that be progress or regress... that's for sure.

It's okay to rant... people need to get their frustrations out in the open... it's healthy. It's the removal of a plan of action in and around the rant that's flawed... it's no different than a toddler whining until someone pacify's their noise making.

Surely the plan of action is primarily to vote in order to ensure that these leftist radicals don't gain power.

As you get older you naturally become more personally conservative, it just makes sense.

But politically you can easily hold left ideas as you need to understand you live in a society, a direct community and more then likely a nation. Sometimes social programs and socialist ideas like workers rights, health care, welfare, taxation are needed. Otherwise you get what's happening n Russia right now.

But even Marx knew the dangers of socialites, over zealous dangerous to the collective overall. People who have gone to far. Sometimes a vote is the only way to bring balance.

a reply to: projectvxn

I dont usually pop in on the political side of ATS for good reason, it's a mirror of society unfortunately.

The lack of intellectual debate and discussion and trying to convince people of your opinion to win their votes seems to be long gone. What we are left with is attacks on people instead.

Respectful, Discussion and debate seems to have left politics and these area of ATS a long time ago.

When people are told thay what they think and bekieve makes them stupid and that they are wrong, they will not publically discuss their opinions.

The difference being in the voting booth, there is no-one to judge them and may reflect why people vote for who they do and may explain why certain figures get elected, not only in the US but in other countries too.

originally posted by: ttobban
The common link with all of these ATS rants:

Never in these rants do we get to read what the OP plans to do about it themselves.

Why oh why do all these OP rants exclude a plan of personal action?

His personal action was walking away from organized leftist elitism, and giving clear reasons why -- even though he's liberal -- he walked away. He's probably hoping that opening an honest dialogue will convince others to do the same.

I mean, what do you want him to do beyond that?

He can't use or promote dogmatic Authoritarianism approach to changing the elitist leftest movement because he explained that it is Authoritarianism by the leftists that was the main reason that he is walking away from them. So he can't forcefully compel others to think like him, or else he'd be guilty of what he is criticizing in the first place.



Personally, I'm a social liberal who never gave into the this current Leftist Movement to begin with. That might be because I'm a fiscal conservative, which keeps me grounded near the center (maybe a little left of center). I do believe in most liberal social views, but the approach the current left leaders are taking on this is a damaging and hypocritical method of compelling -- and basically commanding -- others to adopt their same views, and to quell any free-thinking on the subject

Like the OP, the best I can do is point out to others the errors in the methods of this Authoritarian Leftist approach to liberalism in hopes that social liberalism is not given a bad name. I can't command people to see that the the current extreme leftist approach is a bad thing, or else I'd be just as guilty as they are of being heavy-handed in forcing people to believe what I believe.

The better way to do that is through open dialogue (such as the OP has done on this social media website) that gives people food for though to change their own minds.

a reply to: projectvxn

Obviously you were never a leftist.

a reply to: projectvxn

It wasn't always this way, no. I mean sure, there were always people in the ranks with those attitudes, but they weren't the head of the party. But the party has been infiltrated and taken over by a bunch marxist commies. They've created a coalition of the willing. That's the only way to describe a party who supports both islam and LGBT rights. If you're willing to vote for them, they'll pay you a ton of lip service. However, that's all you'll get. Once they have power you'll get ever more control over your life by government dictate. They'll push free speech out of the public domain to make room for their preferred propaganda.

I've been trying to identify the turning point, but the more I look at it, the more it looks like it was just a gradual push into authoritarianism.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Too many brain cells to be a leftist, I suppose.

a reply to: Bloodworth

Eh, conservative has been painted to mean people who are set in stone and never want to change anything ever.

That's not true. I like change, and I'm open to trying new things. The problem I have is with the current attitude that everything old and traditional is automatically bad, and that anything new, therefore, has intrinsic value and must be done right now by everyone.

I am constantly looking for new things to go and do and try in my life, but while I'm at it, I'm also doing research and value judgments on whether or not those new things will be worth the risk for me. For example, if I'm looking at a new recipe or thinking about taking a trip to a new place, I'm doing my research. I very seldom just stop in a do it just because.

A lot of times on these wide societal changes, I have yet to see many compelling arguments made for the social good to society as whole that favors scrapping one thing over another, only that one way is "old and oppressive" and therefore this way is "iberating". That's not enough, and I'm not even then saying don't do it, only let's try it in a small space before forcing everyone to go down that road.

Let's see what happens over a lot of time before we force it on all of our social fabric. And there are reasons for that beyond skepticism. A lot of time, new social changes need to be woven into society, not imposed whole cloth for them to really work. That takes time, generational time. What you're after may not happen in our lifetimes. That takes patience and today's McKids don't have that at all. I don't necessarily have that level of patience, but that's what is needed.

originally posted by: projectvxn
Was it always this way?

Yes, and on the right too.

People are blinded by the whole my team vs your team when it should just be OUR team.

Look at most liberals, well the politicians at least. Rich, Egotistical, and anything but what 'Liberal" means. Focus is on making life better for the rich. Themselves. Nothing more. Again same for the 'right'.

It's a game. We're all NPC's. We've been trained to accept how things are, like any belief or thought system be it religions, politics or whatever most people tend to live by that which they were raised on or exposed to.

Few of us can genuinely see it for what it is. We've been long tired of watching the majority ignore logic and common sense and play the game.

It's hard to escape. The news, TV or Radio, Internet, it's all filled daily with Left vs. Right politics. Us Vs. Them.
It's no different than how we're driven to follow a football team.

We are taught to call these people 'leaders' that they're somehow special. Why? Because inherited wealth? Because high cost private school debate team honours?
They're only human like you and me.
They're not our leaders. Not King or Queen, they are employees. They work for us, paid for by our dollar.
Yet nobody reminds them of that. Not properly, not as much as we should.

People think they have a democracy. They don't. Like my nations recent election. You only have 2 Choices.
No small independent party is going to get in.
It's Labor or Liberal. Democrats or Republicans. Liberals and Conservatives.

They get the press. They make the loudest noise. They are the ones noticed.
Those with ideas of UBI's, public ownership of essential services, cheaper affordable housing for all, basically for improving life for everyone in the country, not just a few select classes.

When they get interviews they are just ridiculed and made a joke. Ignore all their great ideas and say you're nuts haha!

After all let's face it, you fill every current job today there's still going to be about 1 billion unemployed Humans because there is literally not enough jobs in existence. Our mainstream politics, again on both sides, ignores that.

But because one of their policies is something like "Marijuana" or "Copyright Free Internet". And the public goes "wow state owned power that belongs to us the people again? Sounds great.... WAIT DID SOMEONE SAY MARIJUANA?"
And bam they're gone.

People go with the devil they know. It makes them feel safer, makes it easier. No one likes standing out as being the one rocking the boat. Ya gotta fit in with a team or get rejected by everybody.


Then there is education and upbringing. We learn about politics in school, like we learn religion in church. We learn politics from our parents and their views.
You're taught how to play the game.
You only learn what they teach you. Most teachers discuss left and right. Talk about the big two parties. Dad might be a Labor man always going on about how his Dad before him was also a proud supporter, the way some people join the Army or Police because Daddy did.

It's very hard for I think the majority of people to not follow their 'programming', if someone thinks their Team is without fault it is difficult for them to change that thinking. It's always the other 'teams' fault.
They usually need a shake up to change their minds on their own. To be impacted directly by something their 'team' did.

God I could write a book on this. So much basic, yet common and shared human psychology into this.
But yeah I find I am one of those people who understands every aspect of human life. Humans for me are an easy read.

I can see how the world could be better for all, and it frustrates me to hell that it is not. That we're not working together, that the answers are so simple. But we're stuck with the freaking colors of our lives.

We're played against each other by a few. For their benefits. And we pay for the privilage.
Billions of people controlled by a few thousand.

It's freewill slavery.

We hate X because we're told to hate X.
X hates us because they're told to hate us.

All share this great big giant ball literally falling corkscrew through space, yet we allow ourselves in 2019 to pretend we don't. Invisible lines in sand. Instead of sharing we take.
People will happily kill other humans they have never met, have no conflict with because their government ordered them too.

It's madness.

I am breathing the same air as you right now. We're all drinking the same recycled dinosaur piss for billions of years. We share the same damn oceans,have the same damn sun and stars above us.
But most act like they're on another planet and everyone else is an Alien.....

And it all comes down to my Team Vs. Your Team. That need to fit in. To conform. To feel safe and secure, that you can relax because despite working 50 hours a week someone else is running things for you.
If you're not with us, you're against us.

In the classroom we're taught Anthems. National Pride. To pledge everything to the state. More so in some places than others.
You're then made to compete against everyone else. Gold star for you. Ribbon for him. Trophy for her.
Join the Team. Beat our RIVALS!!!! BE PART OF THE PACK!!! or be ridiculed and outcast.

And it carries on through everything human.
From schoolyard politcs to the day we hit the grave.

But yeah some of us can see it. Liberals call me a Rigth Wing Nutter. Conservaties call me a Lefty Snowflake. If you're not on the team, then you must be the enemy.
How can I be both left or right? I can't be and am not.
I'm on mankinds side, Earths side.

But they just cannot process what you're saying. You don't have a team? Does not compute.
I don't have a label. I am not one tracked minded in my beliefs and opinions. I am mentally fluid and flexible. My only concern is "Is this good for EVERYBODY?"

It's hard living in the world when you are Neuro Diverse and everyone around you seems mad.

We just keep doing the same things over and over. Nobody will fight it anymore. Nobody wants too. The universe and reality is much too big for them so they stick their heads in the sand and check out. They make themselves distracted.
Because life is bloody scary. One day it ends for us all.
It sits on everyones mind sooner or later. But no LALALA I can't hear you.

Me? I'd like to lead a enjoyable comfortable conflict free life? Makes sense yeah?
So why do all these other people just seem to keep making life worse. That genuinely think doing the same thing over and over using the same systems, electing the same people is going to change things?
Why do we keep doing it over and over.

My favourite Quote.
"Insanity is doing the same # over and over and expecting different results."

We really need to break the cycle. Do something new and different.

We should ALL stand up together regardless of your leanings. Got hrow the lot of them out and create a real democracy with truly equal laws for all.
You think it's okay some guy is locked up for $30 for smoking a joint just because some dinosaur of a Christian is a senator and voted against getting rid if such stupid crimes?

But it is like tis because we won't go and throw them out. 1 million people turn up and say GTFO in unison what are they going to do?
But no people say "I know it's bad, but I don't want to get arrested, I have a job, a mortage.", or "I would but it's no use, nobody listens" and other lame excuses.

They're worried the police and military, the people paid to PROTECT THEM, will show up and shoot them.

Nobody want to make a real sacrifice. Nobody want to endanger themselves. Doesn't matter if it leads to a better life.

Does that sound like a democracy?

Heck I don't even get to vote on my Prime Minister. Use to have the PM candidates name on the ballot. Kevin Rudd, John Howard, Julia Gillard, Tony Abbot etc. Now I get a bunch of randoms I never heard of and don't get a direct vote.
I only get to vote for the losers who then pass the vote on up to the top. They give my vote to a person I did not vote for.
And oh look. The 2 big parties win again.

It's BS.

Games rigged and we're choosing to play by the rules they've set and those who don't want to play anymore are forced to.
Your vote does not matter. 2 sides one coin. Regardless of who wins it's always the same government. The same names, faces and policies.
The left and right are no better than each other.
Always rich private school boys and girls with zero real life experience. Most of them don't know how much a carton of milk or a loaf of bread costs they're so out of touch. We need smarter more life experienced people in these jobs.
Not just graduated from Havard! Make me a senator cos Daddy's got OIL!!!

Glad to see though OP you've opened your eyes. Here's hoping more will. I just hope you don't go the other way to right and can see they're all self serving bull# equally.

So yeah, sign me up for a unified world and a great life for all. I do think it is doable but we need to lose the Keeping up with the Jonses mentality. Need to stop putting others on a pedestal because 'wealth' and start sharing the wealth.
Communism, Capitalism, Socialism tis ism that ism I only like one ism and that is T.I.S.M

I only believe in egalitarism. Isn't that the only word for true equality?
How do we make a world where everyone is truly equal?
The way we're doing it now aint working.

If we are going to keep doing things the way we are. Then we need to go and actively remind the politicians who they work for and that their job is to manage the country on our behalf. We should be making the laws, not them and they should just be enacting them.

a reply to: ketsuko

I think a lot of people who associate themselves with far left ideas neglect to understand the fact that politics and economics is different from social and communal changes.

But one of the ideas that supports left leaning politics is to make it easier for peoples lives to explore their self worth and not just be another person in the 'machine'.
Conservatism is generally based on self focus, personal responsibility, and holding true to traditional values, it's about putting ideas into neat little boxes and filing them away, while a left / liberal mindset is also based off personal responsibility but self focus is more focused on others, and willing to let go of traditional values, it's about taking the boxes of ideas and laying them out for all to see.

The problem I find with liberalism, especially the far left, is it's radical. It's untamed to a certain point.
The problem I find with conservatism, especially the far right, is it's to strict, to controlling.

When people say far left socialites are more totalitarian, they really aren't, they have no idea what to do in the face of a large society. Economics can just be thrown out the door at that point. It eventually just leads to dictatorships or some form of anarchism.

Social changes need to happen organically, not enforced. The ethical decisions of a society need to come in the form of acceptance from the population, but it never meets little to no resistance. And I think this is why left thinkers push, and push, because there is always a reaction from the opposite side.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Certainly not a commie scum bag.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

If you can see that, you are a wise man. I never saw a response from you on your "fed up" OP; I had no intention of insulting you........actually I was trying to help.

Life in a colony is rarely profitable, but it is best lived away from the Metro areas. The Corporations have hollowed out the heartland, but they are very inefficient so there's plenty of leavings left to feast upon if you are inventive and imaginative.

a reply to: gallop

I've been disengaged from affiliations for a long long time now. I challenge anyone to find where I support any form of identity politics.

If my thoughts and opinions could get passed being taken as personal all while being displayed as blanket statements here about ATS ranting in general, I'd call my input here an executed plan.

I speak up without attaching identity politics the best I can with no care or desire to fit the mold of the common rant. Is it an easy feat that is executed perfectly at all times, no... it isn't. But, these opinions of mine are long in the making, and are not a personal vendetta as is seemingly perceived. Take a look through my threads... I started a rant called 'Actions I control' that fully aligns with anything and everything I stated here.

Every rant I catch that fails to meet a proposal of actual self action will read the same opinions I offered in this one... it's up to each own's self just exactly how my opinions are received. That was and remains the plan.