What if aliens aren't as technologically advanced as we think?

Perhaps if a creature has a kind of very strong, built-in ESP power, where they didn't have to speak to each other in order to have perfect communication, then they wouldn't feel the need to build a lot of machines to take care of their needs and protect themselves from their environment. They could be intelligent, but they wouldn't be technological.

Some people think that maybe Neanderthals were like this, which is why they never concentrated a lot on building complex machines or permanent dwellings. They didn't have to. They were smart, robust, and effective hunters. Unfortunately, they also never developed writing, which we did, which allowed us to push them aside or absorb them.

Maybe creatures with strong ESP would be motivated to build a spaceship after listening to the stars talk. Maybe they would just be content to listen.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Nothin

well if we are to assign to phsyics and all it states about the universe , evolution will come to an end when all the stars die out and life that depends on light will cease to exist unless they make it past that energy gap !

even life itself is temporary in a universe which will eventually meet its entropy death!

So any advanced alien civilisation knowing this would seek to create a new universe using an atom smasher
and go into the infant universe where new stars can be born and seed life there !

So are you suggesting a species would be around 100s of billion years... I think the universe will expand outward to the point that all matter is so far from each other that gravity will be so minuscule that it will not even be measured before the universe uses up all its hydrogen.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: sapien82


well the majority of humans are peaceful beings , not all of us are sociopathic murderers or ignorant fools who follow blindly.

Really? From your narrow perspective? I'm not saying we are sociopaths or fools. We are an extremely dangerous animal, top of the food chain on this planet. Our peacefulness is only a thin veil of what we can and would become in the right conditions.
If the country got a EMP to wipeout our electrical all those vegetarians in LA would soon become cannibals...lol Or do you think people would just lay down and die?

Quite a few of them would lay down and die.

That's how it works. The ones that didn't lay down and die would procreate, and repopulate.


However, the arrival of the AMY1 gene, which gives humans the ability to digest starch, may actually be what tipped the balance between Sapiens and Neanderthal that had lasted so many millenia, and caused Sapiens to gain the upper hand.

www.nature.com...

Even though they had larger brains, and stronger bodies, then Neanderthals simply couldn't keep up with Sapiens population density (from relying on starch and thereby getting more food). Many minds working together can beat a single, brilliant mind.

The same as how a pack of wolves, fighting in unison, can take down a bear.

Humans may be less intelligent than aliens, but we have the "power of love", that makes it easier for groups of us to form research/engineering teams and unite our minds to achieve things as a group that they can't achieve as individuals.

Something perhaps they didn't count on...

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Humans may be less intelligent than aliens, but we have the "power of love", that makes it easier for groups of us to form research/engineering teams and unite our minds to achieve things as a group that they can't achieve as individuals.

Something perhaps they didn't count on...

This is very insightful and I also believe self-immolation is a unique human ability..... it is the path to ascension..... and it is IMHO also in both its literal and figurative forms the most exquisite individually catalysed and projected intention of love that is Universally possible.

Oddly during one of my abductions by non-Terrestrial Military Humans from another place … they were at first a bit confused and then historically respectful in a Zen kind of way...….they were in some ways awed by my pure hearted intentions and ability to express self-immolation in the face of specific information....I believe at certain times we show Humans from our past who present to us as humans from our future flashes of the pure power and raw potential that they themselves were birthed from....I don't think these abilities are used by these groups anymore....information acess has made it something that is more like an old Tale or a Fable to them.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Nothin


And so why not also contemplate a species, that has thrived on something other than a carnivorous diet?
This is a 'What if' thread anyways, right?
Am cooking-up some ideas, inspired by member's suggestions in this thread.

Could be but evolution tends to go with what it needs, and cows eating grass doesn't need intelligence nor depth perception as example. Seems you need something long the lines of speed, strength, size, intelligence and humans kind of lack it all but intelligence compared to other animals.

Not to run off topic….because in a few more layers of this onion we will discuss this anyways.....Grass will kill humans if they try to live on it.....Cows eat grass Gorillas and Humans die if they are forced to survive on grass.....Cows don't eat the grass....they use it as a culture base for growing bacteria inside their stomach as their culture base/grass ferments inside a specific compartment of the stomach inside them...they then absorb this beneficial nutritious sustenance and run the grass right out the back door.....they aren't eating the grass they are using it as a substrate.

Grain is a descriptive word used to project the appearance of GRASS SEEDS.....they look like GRAINS.....grains of sand or grains of salt....understand?.....we have been hoodwinked into believing GRAINS are good for us and that we can safely eat them with no negative consequences....I WILL RE-STATE......Cows eat bacteria they produce using grass as a substrate and Humans will get sick and possibly die if they are forced to eat this diet.

We really need to discern between GRASS which is useless to humans other than being a pipecleaner….and PLANTS which are critical to our survival and good health and well being.....I am wearing t T-shirt now that says Powered by Plants...….tomorrow I will wear one that says GRAIN IS GRASS --PEOPLE DONT EAT GRASS COWS DO.

This issue is relevant because it leads us to facts about our heritage we cannot deny.

If you trust your own mind and if you trust the minds of others and if you 100% disenfranchise the contextual and phonetic manipulation of data forced upon us on an organised Global level.....but you parse and accept the data itself....which is what I do......you uncover ALL of the lies and deceptions and suppressions forced upon us which make these exact discussions necessary.

There are Universal Templates which we are not aware of because Humanitarian Terrorists have not allowed us acess to data that would allow us to expand our reality to include this …….. however the Templates are there and are immovable......all information we need is encoded into our DNA...its a "secret"....lol...lol...here is an example of how and why we are in fact more intelligent than many of our Planetary visitors and less so than some......the human diet is key to good health and longevity...and those "in the Know"...well they know....and they are systemicly manipulating human global populations by intentionally muddying the waters and by setting actual traps everywhere designed to make us sick....here is why we are smarter than most visitors.....some of us have discovered these Universal Templates…..we understand them and can read them...think about it where would YOU hide the most important critical data humanity must posses and protect....????….. how about within the human geonome???.....lol...lol...are you with me here?

If you wish to know the perfect diet for a human then ask yourself......lol....look at your teeth....with an open inquiring mind....2 front teeth designed to eat what?/Fruit....2 eye teeth designed to eat what?/Meat.....and so on and so on...make yourself a Pie-Chart to simplify things and to build a proxy Template for yourself...ASK YOURSELF and LOOK and you will learn and discover …. your PERFECT HUMAN DIET is written into your DNA....literally....it is the Universal Language.Your diet is proportionate to your teeth....exactly.....and if you stray you pay....eat to much fruit beyond 2 teeths worth according to the Pie-Chart Template and what happens???lol...the SUGARS which you are overloading your diet with will make you sick systemically and eventually kill you with some form of diabetes or blood sugar issue...so you only eat the designated amount of Fruit...period...simple...with meat same deal...and if you overeat proportionally you will suffer from serious to fatal sickness and disease.....I am not going to write the book here and attatch each disease to each instance we stray from our perfect diet...you can do that now....but my point is this....everything we need to learn about the UNIVERSE is written into our DNA and we express it every day.

Many races who have technology are nowhere near this level of understanding the Universe....99% of current Humanity is unaware.Unaware that ALL WE NEED IS EACH OTHER and the ability to understand ourselves knowing that this is the way to understand the entire Universe...not through technology or A.I.....we are already FAR beyond these things...these pitiful representations of nature.

Don't worry...."they" aren't smarter than some of "Us" happen to be.....your job is to find ways to stop the Humanitarian Terrorists from preventing this incredible knowledge from hitting mainstram human reality. ALL OF US CAN SHARE THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER..and in doing so we create a new paradigm .

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Perhaps if a creature has a kind of very strong, built-in ESP power, where they didn't have to speak to each other in order to have perfect communication, then they wouldn't feel the need to build a lot of machines to take care of their needs and protect themselves from their environment. They could be intelligent, but they wouldn't be technological.

Some people think that maybe Neanderthals were like this, which is why they never concentrated a lot on building complex machines or permanent dwellings. They didn't have to. They were smart, robust, and effective hunters. Unfortunately, they also never developed writing, which we did, which allowed us to push them aside or absorb them.

Maybe creatures with strong ESP would be motivated to build a spaceship after listening to the stars talk. Maybe they would just be content to listen.

Neanderthals are the normal evolution of Humans on Earth...they were the leading edge of normal natural evolution....Neanderthal genetic data was DELETED from us intentionally...ironically it is what will eventually save us all.....a high protein diet includes ANIMAL FAT...it wasn't the protein that empowered us to over-grow our skulls brain capacity and force things to grow our way so to speak....it was the animal fat.....in correct amounts it reduces inflammation of our brains....before the introduction of a high animal fat diet as our brain grew it filled our Skull and when it reached the correct size it expressed inflammation as it was forced to contact the paramaters the skull designated...it stopped growing on cue as per its design or Template....until....animal fat was brought into the equation....at that point we hotwired evolution....as fat was introduced babies began to grow bigger brains...the inflammation"signal" which is par for the course as we will all learn later...was delayed due to the protection the animal fat provided...the babies brains did NOT express the same levels of inflammation at the correct times...we adjusted to follow the Universal Template...and the brain CONTINUED TO GROW without the "shut off" signal inflammation represents...this OVERRODE the skulls programming and it in turn GREW TO ACCOMODATE THE BRAIN until it received the proper "shut off" signal/inflammation.

Today one might think by this data that if we do not eat a fat high diet when young our brains will not express optimal growth....this is no longer the case DUE TO EXTERNAL ARTIFICIAL GENETIC TAMPERING......however...if we do not understand the Human Genetic Template than we will not recognise the dangers of over-consumption of proteins and fats...we don't need the proteins we need the fats....I can not explain fully here now but ….when older people stop eating meat or protein they stop getting any animal fats ...they SHOULD reduce the protein intake considerably....but not the animal fat...you see there are a PLETHORA of diseases we get from overconsumption of meat proteins......and this leads us to believe doctors whose research proves these diseases are directly related to meat protein intakes...so they tell us to reduce our cholesteral and we do it by reducing our meat protein intake....which data says we SHOULD DO....to stop many serious diseases from hitting our bodies...but...but..but..here is the act of HUMANITARIAN TERRORISM....."THEY" know very well that if you severely reduce your meat protein in your diet and eat LEAN MEAT the few times you do eat meat(to protect yourself from heart disease and Vascular diseases and other things that present with age in someone who has overconsumed protein because they didn't know it was only the fat they needed in specific volumes at specific times.)....lol...you are running headfirst into Alzheimers and Dementia...because....you LOSE THE CRITICAL ANIMAL FAT FROM YOUR DIET....and your brain begins to express INFLAMMATION which then builds a defense system layer of PLAQUE....and you get very sick until you die.

Neanderthals were leading the pack in an evolutionary sense...for this reason...their brains were forcing their skulls to keep growing due to their animal fat intake....eventually people will learn that.....had the Neanderthals NOT been chosen for DNA manipulations...we would have eventually gotten to the point we are at now....except our lifespans would be substantially longer and our telepathy would be intact...and so on and so on....there have been 2 major genetic manipulations of our naturally developing Terran Primate species which s US....the Neanderthals got it...and then again later their geneticlly manipulated hybrid offspring got it again with an intervention that produced HYBRID VIGOR... which takes us places I need permission to discuss,which I do not have yet.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Perhaps if a creature has a kind of very strong, built-in ESP power, where they didn't have to speak to each other in order to have perfect communication, then they wouldn't feel the need to build a lot of machines to take care of their needs and protect themselves from their environment. They could be intelligent, but they wouldn't be technological.

I would think a creature that developed ESP powers would be more of a aquatic type, like the dolphin, with zero ability to build and limited physical communication capabilities. In evolution things develop more out of necessity than randomly, so for a power like ESP I would think there would be a need for it in the first place. We have yet to determine anything like ESP so right now that is a pipe dream more than anything else.

Some people think that maybe Neanderthals were like this, which is why they never concentrated a lot on building complex machines or permanent dwellings. They didn't have to. They were smart, robust, and effective hunters. Unfortunately, they also never developed writing, which we did, which allowed us to push them aside or absorb them.

The Neanderthals died out long before we developed writing, farming, complex communication skills etc. We were still hunter gatherers back then. They most likely died out due to the ice age as we moved south with the food and they were more stationary in a slow death cycle. We also absorb them too...

originally posted by: one4all

This is very insightful and I also believe self-immolation is a unique human ability..... it is the path to ascension..... and it is IMHO also in both its literal and figurative forms the most exquisite individually catalysed and projected intention of love that is Universally possible.

Or is it just a ability that a pack animal develops for survival.

If aliens wouldn't be more advanced than us they would not be here.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: one4all

This is very insightful and I also believe self-immolation is a unique human ability..... it is the path to ascension..... and it is IMHO also in both its literal and figurative forms the most exquisite individually catalysed and projected intention of love that is Universally possible.

Or is it just a ability that a pack animal develops for survival.

No,pack animals do not exibit self-immolation...they force each other to the outside....like Penguins do along the edge of an ice-burg when they are ready to feed slowly pushing each other till a few fall in to test the waters for predators and to keep them busy eating while the majority dive in and make a break for safety.

The only close example of self-immolation by non-sentient life is a mother bird throwing out the broken-wing decoy....and connecting self-immolation to parenting instincts does not really work...they are different issues.

Self-immolation is more complicated than an instinctual action.It is a choice.

originally posted by: one4all

No,pack animals do not exibit self-immolation...they force each other to the outside....like Penguins do along the edge of an ice-burg when they are ready to feed slowly pushing each other till a few fall in to test the waters for predators and to keep them busy eating while the majority dive in and make a break for safety.

The only close example of self-immolation by non-sentient life is a mother bird throwing out the broken-wing decoy....and connecting self-immolation to parenting instincts does not really work...they are different issues.

Self-immolation is more complicated than an instinctual action.It is a choice.

I don't think penguins are pack animals, more herd mentality. Pack animals will put themselves in danger to ward off other predators from the young.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: one4all

No,pack animals do not exibit self-immolation...they force each other to the outside....like Penguins do along the edge of an ice-burg when they are ready to feed slowly pushing each other till a few fall in to test the waters for predators and to keep them busy eating while the majority dive in and make a break for safety.

The only close example of self-immolation by non-sentient life is a mother bird throwing out the broken-wing decoy....and connecting self-immolation to parenting instincts does not really work...they are different issues.

Self-immolation is more complicated than an instinctual action.It is a choice.

I don't think penguins are pack animals, more herd mentality. Pack animals will put themselves in danger to ward off other predators from the young.

I have extensive Agriculture background...as well as a deep Outdoors/Hunting background.....I will teach you....what I learned....warding off predators from young by pack animals is an instinctual reaction....it is a parenting action driven by instinct.....herd mentality is the nearly identical action of instinctive grouping....for different reasons but genericlly driven by instinct not intellect....Cariboo exibit herd mentality in that they travel together in a loosely formed group with the healthiest most able prime animals pushing the old weak and young animals to the outside...little intentions are given to putting the young inside the middle of the herd Wolves and Predators routinely pick off young old and sick from the edges of the herds..... then there is the herd mentality that Cattle have which I have experienced a lot....lol...lol...where they will upon threat immediately form a circle with horns pointed out and kids in the middle....this is a hybrid but still instinctual action...they just throw a combonation of punches at the opposition by combining parental protection instinct with group survival instincts and this is evidenced by the fact they do it with or without young being in the group....even a mother bird is acting on instinct...because she will abandon the nest and young before she will allow a predator to actually catch her...she never does that...she gets close repeatedly to draw them away but never self-immolates because her primary driver is reproduction....the eggs and chicks are dispensable...she is not...I know because I have on multiple occasions experimented to see how long a mother bird would continue coming back to lure me away...they have limits at which they abandon the tactic and the nest....the Moma birds ultimately save themselves .Penguins exibit a herd mentality as well....and it is instinctually driven by hunger....as they begin to get hungry they begin to migrate towards the edges of their rest areas....as a group....they slowly get hungrier and hungrier until they have massed to the very edge and the HUNGER DRIVES of those in the back cause them to slowly waddle and push forward closer to the edge.....this forces a few over the edge every time....so any predators only get a shot at a few of them and so the hidden presence of predators is revealed with only a few losses...no one really pushes BACK unless a predator reveals itself and by then it is to late to stop the herd instinct from pushing some over into the drink.

Lol...I have to say this....lol...if you challenge a group of Bantam chickens that has a Rooster and a Hen and Chicks....lol...the Rooster will come out to take you on until you wera him out then he will bootleg it for the hills...the Moma Hen will put up a valiant battle for a very long time until she is worn out....they will both eventually give up....with Geese its different....they mate for life....and when they take a stand it can become their last stand...a Rooster is like a Whore he knows instinctively he will be mating with whatever Hens walk his way....the Gander has mated for life and he know it.....the Whore-Rooster will cut and run but the Gallant Gander will stay and sometimes fight to the literal end....close to self-immolation but not quite because the Gander will not exhibit this behaviour for ANY other goose....it has to be his lifemate...so we see instinct driving the bus again.

a reply to: one4all

I see intelligence just going deeper into all this and it is still instinct, but we suggest it is special. Elephants are a good example of recognizing another in trouble. Humans will cut and run too if that is their best choice, but yes I agree we do have a higher sense of preservation of our own kind.

Humans will also kill out of sport, fun, power, generic_01 reason etc.. Well beyond food, so we also due to our intelligence have a much deeper sense than other animals when it comes to that too.

I'm pretty sure we aren't alone in the universe. As far as being more advanced, I'm sure there are plenty of civilizations out there far more advanced than us based on the age of their star and planets and when they came to be. I doubt many are space faring though. Think about it, if you were somewhere and you were completely happy, had plenty of food, plenty of water, plenty of joy what would you have to seek? Earth is a joke as we require food and water and we have a planet covered in like 75% water and almost all of that we can't drink. We also consume things at an alarming rate and we are never really satisfied with anything in a general sense. So for us we explore and roam to acquire more things and experience more things. If you live in a #ty house in a #ty part of town with a crappy car you will always dream of having more. Now imagine you are in this great tropical climate where the weather is perfect, the food and water plentiful, beautiful people, etc. Why would you ever want to leave? I think if there are any aliens that have developed interstellar travel they would be searching for resources to consume, other people to meet because they feel alone,etc. I think there has to be purpose for any beings to want to reach for the stars. I can't really imagine that beings found our tiny rock from across the cosmos and figured they would visit and it be kept a secret. A vehicle capable of interstellar travel would have to be fairly sizable to sustain life, resources, fuel, etc. How would only a select few be able to know about the visit?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: one4all

I see intelligence just going deeper into all this and it is still instinct, but we suggest it is special. Elephants are a good example of recognizing another in trouble. Humans will cut and run too if that is their best choice, but yes I agree we do have a higher sense of preservation of our own kind.

"Intelligence" is a loaded concept.

It's easier just to stick with "tool building", with some emphasis on the ability to build complicated tools that grow in complexity over time.


A creature with 100 times our intellect, but no ability to build tools, would not very likely get into space (unless it could use some kind of psychic telekinesis or something crazy like that.)

Humans will also kill out of sport, fun, power, generic_01 reason etc.. Well beyond food, so we also due to our intelligence have a much deeper sense than other animals when it comes to that too.

Cats do something like that too. They will play with mice they have captured, which helps them learn more about their prey.

Its about Sentience and self-recognition/awareness and its about observational contrast.....and its about replication and duplication and emulation......and then innovation.....and ultimately self-immolation.

We envision a reality we wish then we manifest it by the creation of tools which will alter our physical environment...which is a ROOTED TANGIBLE REALITY.....what we ANCHOR ourselves to....time is an observational concept....we seek to build tools to alter our physical reality so we may manipulate extend and alter timelines.....our individual lifespan is a timeline we have extended artificially.....toolmaking is pushed forward by observational contrast....we always seek to duplicate natures impacts as perfectly as we can...a spearhead is duplication of the impact of a large predators tooth expressed by the replication of its naturally occurring physical characteristics... we WISH THE MEAT of the prey but we don't have the toolkit to go hunt and kill it...we OBSERVE a large predator killing what we desire.....we OBSERVE how the process works...... we OBSERVE the teeth being used to kill and we OBSERVE the dead prey and what has been done to it.....then we OBSERVE a dead carnivores teeth we FEEL THEM IN A TACTILE MANNER....then we duplicate the impacts by replicating a tooth of our own that has the same tactile properties as the real tooth does.....of course we first simply pickup sharp teeth from skeletons and use them until we realise they do not last very long and we decide to alter the timeline and extend the IMPACTS the tooth gave us using sharp stones.

Time is something we MAKE UP....to give ourselves a contrast …..we invent an imaginary 3rd wheel...time is the concept we use to describe how much we can alter natures normal cycles...that is all....it defines degrees of impacts we can harness and use to ALTER NATURES NORMAL CYCLES to extend our individual and species timelines....

A tool will last LONGER....we will live LONGER....this is future-vision being expressed.....imagination which leads to manifestation.

originally posted by: giovannimyles
I'm pretty sure we aren't alone in the universe. As far as being more advanced, I'm sure there are plenty of civilizations out there far more advanced than us based on the age of their star and planets and when they came to be.

Statements like this are easy to say...

Earth made one species to go to the moon in 4.5 billion years out of trillions. If we were not in our perfect orbit, if we didn't have our moon, if we didn't have two large planets as vacuum cleaners, if the core didn't remain constant to protect us for all that time we would not be here, advance life would not be here even though life in general could still be. Life needs time for evolution to work, lots of time and if that evolutionary process was reset every 100 million years life would remain simple. If we didn't have the moon then the weather would be extreme once again keeping life simple, so on and so on.

I think advance life of any kind is rather rare due to what it needs to actually evolve even if life is somewhat common.

That is true, but there are also things that worked against us, which may not be common in the galaxy.

For one thing, we have strong gravity. Suppose Mars, during its early ages had given rise to intelligent life. The Moon landing would have been a piece of cake if Earth had such light gravity.

Also it was the evolution of hands that ultimately lead to the intelligence and tool building stuff. That only happened because there were trees to climb. In a light gravity world, climbing stuff could be more important to survival, which would cause the trait to emerge sooner.

Also we might actually have too much stability. Stability is good for the survivability of life, but ... not so good for its continued evolution. The huge meteor impact that killed off the dinosaurs also gave Mammals their chance to rise. Without that impact, dinosaurs might still be the dominant life form today.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

I was reading this book by William J. Birnes that I got on Amazon kindle. "The Day After Roswell". Not a very original name for a book about aliens, right?

You have the author wrong. This book was (ghost-written) using 'stories' by Phillip J. Corso. He is a known hoaxer, in that he tells 'stories' and there is little relation to true events.

www.amazon.com...

HTH