We need to come to a conclusion on Bigfoot

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: Assassin82

the patterson-gimlin film (PGF) is the only evidence that i believe is real.

i watched a show a long time ago. the show asked professional special effects film makers to reproduce the film. it was done in two parts. first part was using modern technology the second part was using materials available in 1967.

the end result was it could not be done.
until the PGF is duplicated with materials and video equipment of 1967 i have to say the original film is legit, and that bigfoot has to be legit too.

Are we still debating that one? That was disproven decades ago. Here...take a look at this. That is 100% a man in a suit.

Stabilized version

originally posted by: Assassin82

originally posted by: one4all
a reply to: Nothin

This is why so many well intended researchers are doing everything wrong....they aren't hard to find simply hard to see or catch.Millions of Hunters seek to bag Whitetail deer....I am the only person I have ever found who has stalked up to and touched a sleeping whitetail deer.....this is meaningful in the outdoor world....very very meaningful.


Now is a great time to try to get pictures or video.....always remember Bigfoot is EVERYWHERE including right beside your Cities and Towns and they travel HIDDEN WITHIN RAVINE SYSTEMS THAT ARE OLD AND DRIED OUT....it is their Intercontinental highway.

You seem quite educated on the matter. More so than the so-called experts. You should go capture definitive evidence of a BF. Seems like you’re the only one capable of doing so. You’re like the super spawn of Steve Irwin and Bear Grylles. Why hasn’t a University hired you to do field studies and teach young students the ways of the wild?

Go find us a MF’n BF!!

Bigfoot are everywhere....seriously....every person reading this right now has a local population no matter where you are .I walk through the river valleys of my own city and see all kinds of sign and smell their spray.

I have done the e-mail thing with Todd Standing and with Les Stroud....I did my original research years ago in Nordegg, Alberta....its on a major migration route....I sent them there(Standing is a vain fool he thought he had found some hidden zone he was going to exploit....lol)....but Standing is an attention whore and I didn't hear from Stroud other than a good luck with that comment.

They don't like to leave anyone behind...a single adult male will rip apart 12 men even if they are trained and armed if they don't understand him and what he can do,the speeds are out of belief......if it can touch you it can remove large pieces of you...as fast as it can touch 12 men it will kill them all....don't think about it fighting you with moves...just think about how fast it can simply get to each of you and touch you...and do NOT think your bullets will slow it down....unless you hit the spine or neck you are already on your way towards the big light...….IF YOU COME CLOSE TO HITTING IT ...unless you have an automatic weapon you will likely not even come close to hitting one down on all fours that is on the move in a serious way.....until you see them at full speed going sideways kind of propelling themselves and skimming/swinging their arses barely off the ground you don't understand how fast they can move and how quickly they can change complete directions and cut corners.....this is where people get deceived...in close quarters they are unstoppable.They know what guns and technology are...they avoid us when we have these things with us in most cases if they can...by avoid us I mean when we walk 20 yards away from them right past them as they lay on the ground looking at us without moving ….that type of avoidance.

if you want to see a Bigfoot...just eat a sugar rich diet for a few weeks then wash yourself and your clothes in a baking soda mix....then salt yourself and your clothes down well …. put small pieces of clothing like socks from 2-3 family members in a plastic bag and into your backpack along with 5 lbs of fresh beef liver...go find fresh signs...then take 5lbs of fresh beef liver and climb a tree say 15 feet up and impale the liver......lol.....do it with a few livers if you have the time and livers...then....wait till sundown and then begin tree knocking as hard and loud as you can remembering to MOVE AROUND IN A BIG CIRCLE IN THE WOODS as you do your knocking and use 2-3 different sticks one at each location and leave a dirty smelly sock at each location you knock from......then just relax and decide how lucky you feel.....because you just finished pissing all over the fenceposts of a Bigfoot Clan and you don't know the Daddys personality....and....lol...he thinks you brought friends.Dont worry yourself....because.... HE IS ALREADY WATCHING YOU DECIDING WHAT TO DO ABOUT YOU IF ANYTHING.Its that easy.....well you have to remember that you are not LOOKING FOR BIGFOOT you are really playin hide and seek with Bigfoots....simply put you should practice with 2-4 friends playing tag in the woods.....playing hide-and-seek.....with go-cams on that have a 360 degree view.....learn what YOU DO then you will learn what THEY DO....I learned with siblings in the woods as a kid....but anyone can learn anytime....he or she who wins the most will be the tree- bobber who learns how to NOT MOVE OR RUN OR EVADE but who instead learns about shadows and angles and remaining still in a moving forest reading the sounds.

Hint...if you are worried about bears....you are in the wrong spot....there will be no bears leaving sign around a BF Clan....they will be a greasy finger chicken type dinner for BFs Family....or bait for Yotes left hanging in a tree....bears and bigfoot COMPETE for food and territory...Bigfoot cleans out the local bear population as soon as they roll into town.

originally posted by: one4all
a reply to: Nothin

I grew up in the woods,and I know how to fit into the woods.....and I have been stalked by a BF.....yes they will stalk you. We are US to them,they don't really think of us as individuals they judge us by experiences and by their traditional teachings.

No the rotten tooth old male did not get me.Bigfoot is not smart enough to understand thermal drafts that happen around freshly tilled fields and I suddenly got HIS STENCHES...both his spray and his dental problems....an obtuse wind direction swirl saved my life....the prick was paralleling me just inside a treeline along a cultivated farm field....he was treating me like a feeding deer...ever wonder why BF seems to always kill nice racked deer?...the antlers are HANDLES that make it way easier to catch...AND....Bucks send Does out to feed first....as cannon fodder....but this leaves THEM hovering just inside the treeline inside cover where BIGFOOT likes to hunt....hence an unusually high number of Bucks taken. Bigfoot can wipe out your local wildlife.You can any times find their Clans because of Omission of other animals.

Just think like a wild human.....what are the odds of finding a nice big wide fertile field of berries in the wild....now Bears love berries….not like them THEY LOVE THEM...but guess what....BF loves BERRIES AND BEARS......so if you find a nice spot and there is NO BEAR SIGN AT ALL....be very very carefull you don't become a serving of liver pate for a BF Family.Omission of Bears from perfect bear areas is a primary way of locating BF Clan activity.

Bigfoot has to "fit in" to the woods just like we do.

This is why so many well intended researchers are doing everything wrong....they aren't hard to find simply hard to see or catch.Millions of Hunters seek to bag Whitetail deer....I am the only person I have ever found who has stalked up to and touched a sleeping whitetail deer.....this is meaningful in the outdoor world....very very meaningful.

Hunting without a gun is entirely different than hunting with one.

We can do everything in the woods that BF does....the more we let ourselves immerse into the woods and simply take care of our needs the more likely we are to run into their signs or into them.They eat what we eat they rest where we rest they clean where we clean they play where we play and they sleep where we sleep....we are them in almost every way.

Bigfoot understands that they do no fit in....why do you think they wood knock....they know nothing in the woods except them and us can wood knock.

People think Bigfoot fits in to the environment but they do not...they struggle to survive just like we do....they are or rather HAVE BEEN FORCED to far along the evolutionary trail to ever fit back into nature where they would or should belong....just like us.

If you have never slept in the woods alone without fire and if you have never learned how to become where you are then you are a normal person who will likely never see Bigfoot.

I must add that right now BIGFOOT IS MASS MIGRATING INLAND from the NA West and East Coasts.

This is highly unusual and is unstoppable. It will cause many interactions we would never otherwise see between different BF Clans and between them and US.

Now is a great time to try to get pictures or video.....always remember Bigfoot is EVERYWHERE including right beside your Cities and Towns and they travel HIDDEN WITHIN RAVINE SYSTEMS THAT ARE OLD AND DRIED OUT....it is their Intercontinental highway.

Wow! Those claims are hard to believe, as you probably understand.

Maybe you should write a book, make vids, or start a guide or touring service?

Who knows: perhaps you could make a few mil, then swing a deal to buy the Oilers?

a reply to: Nothin

As a Hockey fan, I would hop that anyone would by the Oilers and do something!

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: one4all
a reply to: Nothin

I grew up in the woods,and I know how to fit into the woods.....and I have been stalked by a BF.....yes they will stalk you. We are US to them,they don't really think of us as individuals they judge us by experiences and by their traditional teachings.

No the rotten tooth old male did not get me.Bigfoot is not smart enough to understand thermal drafts that happen around freshly tilled fields and I suddenly got HIS STENCHES...both his spray and his dental problems....an obtuse wind direction swirl saved my life....the prick was paralleling me just inside a treeline along a cultivated farm field....he was treating me like a feeding deer...ever wonder why BF seems to always kill nice racked deer?...the antlers are HANDLES that make it way easier to catch...AND....Bucks send Does out to feed first....as cannon fodder....but this leaves THEM hovering just inside the treeline inside cover where BIGFOOT likes to hunt....hence an unusually high number of Bucks taken. Bigfoot can wipe out your local wildlife.You can any times find their Clans because of Omission of other animals.

Just think like a wild human.....what are the odds of finding a nice big wide fertile field of berries in the wild....now Bears love berries….not like them THEY LOVE THEM...but guess what....BF loves BERRIES AND BEARS......so if you find a nice spot and there is NO BEAR SIGN AT ALL....be very very carefull you don't become a serving of liver pate for a BF Family.Omission of Bears from perfect bear areas is a primary way of locating BF Clan activity.

Bigfoot has to "fit in" to the woods just like we do.

This is why so many well intended researchers are doing everything wrong....they aren't hard to find simply hard to see or catch.Millions of Hunters seek to bag Whitetail deer....I am the only person I have ever found who has stalked up to and touched a sleeping whitetail deer.....this is meaningful in the outdoor world....very very meaningful.

Hunting without a gun is entirely different than hunting with one.

We can do everything in the woods that BF does....the more we let ourselves immerse into the woods and simply take care of our needs the more likely we are to run into their signs or into them.They eat what we eat they rest where we rest they clean where we clean they play where we play and they sleep where we sleep....we are them in almost every way.

Bigfoot understands that they do no fit in....why do you think they wood knock....they know nothing in the woods except them and us can wood knock.

People think Bigfoot fits in to the environment but they do not...they struggle to survive just like we do....they are or rather HAVE BEEN FORCED to far along the evolutionary trail to ever fit back into nature where they would or should belong....just like us.

If you have never slept in the woods alone without fire and if you have never learned how to become where you are then you are a normal person who will likely never see Bigfoot.

I must add that right now BIGFOOT IS MASS MIGRATING INLAND from the NA West and East Coasts.

This is highly unusual and is unstoppable. It will cause many interactions we would never otherwise see between different BF Clans and between them and US.

Now is a great time to try to get pictures or video.....always remember Bigfoot is EVERYWHERE including right beside your Cities and Towns and they travel HIDDEN WITHIN RAVINE SYSTEMS THAT ARE OLD AND DRIED OUT....it is their Intercontinental highway.

Wow! Those claims are hard to believe, as you probably understand.

Maybe you should write a book, make vids, or start a guide or touring service?

Who knows: perhaps you could make a few mil, then swing a deal to buy the Oilers?

I am not interested in follow up....I was almost ripped limb from limb in a rural agricultural area less than 45 minutes away from where the Oilers play......BF live in POCKETS of forest and they travel in old riverbeds and creekbeds that are now ravines.....it would shock people to know how close to farms and people they are comfortable being.

Just watching the mess that the Bigfoot field is in is enough for me...there are big global players involved....the suppression is active and massive in scope....I am to busy chipping out a hole in the ground preparing for the coming passage of Nibiru the Destroyer that causes Wormwood to happen.

I wouldn't buy the Oilers....there will soon be a series of hostile takeovers of PRO SPORTS FRANCHISES...in all major Sports...at first it will be surgical then sweeping.....its not a good time to be invested in Hollywood or movie making either since Pizzagate…..so IMHO Oilers ownership is under a wee bit of pressure....considering the extreme likelihood of a looming ownership change due to greater circumstances nope I wouldn't buy the Oilers right now.....massive fiat overvaluations in play.....now I would enjoy having autonomous organisational inputs but what fan wouldn't....lol....but in reality who wants to buy a used money laundering Franchise?

There are NOT as many things living in the woods as people may believe.....there is a LOT OF EMPTY UNUSED NEVER STEPPED UPON SPACE OUT THERE....but its empty for a reason...which is why you wont usually find Bigfoot out in the boondocks....jeepers campgrounds are easy places to find BF sign and especially to hear vocalisations...try the Chain Lakes area in Alberta in the early spring ....I had a really nervous night sleeping in my car a few years ago out there due to the intense rapid multi-directional vocalisations from close range.

originally posted by: Sabrechucker
a reply to: Nothin

As a Hockey fan, I would hop that anyone would by the Oilers and do something!

Well they are at least Bigfoot supporters...www.youtube.com...

The Oilers will be ok once they decide to use a current System of play and find a Coach who has acumen teaching and managing a cutting edge System of play that is a proven winner in todays game.IMHO the last 2 Head Coaches brought in San Joses and St.Louises old Systems which already had overdue expiry dates stamped upon them. Its hard to not expect to see them winning a Stanley Cup soon considering what McDavid and Draisaitl have combined to produce statistically.

At the rate the Oilers are going we will see Bigfoot in a Zoo before they win a Stanley Cup again.

a reply to: one4all
One4all is just about the only one here that has a good understanding of the subject.

Most of the skepticism here comes from ignorance. A huge amount of evidence and information is available. There are hand and foot prints with dermal ridges. There is even a butt print of a what is obviously a female.(BF porn anyone?) Trackways with thousands of tracks in soft mud and snow have been found. Nests and shelters, trail markers, broken trees, and skat are examples of physical evidence. Their DNA has been sequenced. It's only controversial because it's not what people wanted it to be...or like most of you, impossible evidence of a nonexistent creature.

some years ago 60 Minutes did a show on big game within in the LA city limits. Game cameras showed there were Mountain Lions, coyotes, and they claimed a few bear. They said that the bears turned the cameras so they couldn't get good pictures. I had to laugh. Bears don't do that.! They are in LA, Houston, Minneapolis, and Long Island. They are likely in any heavily wooded area with game, near humans' habitation or not.

One creepy thing about them is they like to watch children. If there is a playground next to a large tract of woods, they are very likely frequenting it. While a few are cannibals, most aren't. They dont want to get hunted by us. For this reason, they also mostly avoid our livestock. I suspect they are taking some cows from a nearby ranch, though. The rancher thinks it's Mexicans poaching them.



One4all's suggestion for how to get their attention is clever. While some changes might be made to encourage a more positive relationship, it would be very effective at getting to them.. Gifting has seldom been successful, though you can often get them to take treats. Beware of creating a sense of entitlement. Some farmers have accidentally done it with sweet feed. They start raiding the barns for it and get upset when it stops.(picture an 800 lb welfare queen)

No one I've ever heard of has tried alcohol. Remember, candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker? Try jugs fruit juice and vodka. Would they develop a taste for it? You might have a chance to get a picture of a drunk one

I've wondered if they would react differently to us if we wore HECS suits, which are effective with other wildlife..( look it up, google can explain it.)

One guy who was an insomniac, stumbled onto several family groups. He drove National forest roads on late moonlit nights with his lights out looking to see wildlife. He began to hear wood knocks when he entered their area. Eventually they would come for the honey buns He began leaving for them. Even then, some groups weren't interested in interacting. Which brings another point; they are quite variable. Some are as intelligent as humans; most aren't. Nearly all may have talents that seem supernatural to us. Only a small percentage are interested in interacting with us.

They don't want us to see them and especially photograph them. Perhaps they think our cameras are eyes to avoid also. Why isn't easy to explain. One theory is they are told not to by certain other beings who don't want us to understand that they created them by manipulations of genetics. If we did, we would understand what's really going on with evolution. Another theory is that if they can keep us out of shared their reality and avoid ours, they can maintain a greater invisibility.

so don't expect to photograph them and also make friends, a la Jane Fossey. If you use guns, cameras or even flashlights, don't expect to even see them except by accident. Game cameras won't work. One guy made a fake rock and put it in his garden where he knew they came at night. He got one picture of an eye. After that, they avoided it carefully for years. You MIGHT get one to work by putting up bird houses, then much later after the birds were done nesting, put cameras in them.

Like the Indians, they were susceptible to Western diseases and were probably almost wiped out. Like the Indians, the survivors had some immunity to our diseases. As environmental and hunting laws began to be enforced, game such as deer rebounded. Their populations began to grow. Many areas began to be reforested providing more habitat. Now there is something of a population explosion. They are being pushed into areas they didn't used to frequent. I think there is evidence that deer populations are falling because of hunting pressure from them.

Because they can see in the dark, they can avoid us. .(This atypical primate trait comes from Lemurs and is evidence that they may be an artificial hybrid)

Many have found that we are easy to intimidate and they drive people out of their areas. I suspect there are huge numbers of people who quit hunting because of them. We only hear the stories of the few that identify footsteps or actually see them. Others just get creeped out enough to give up hunting.

originally posted by: Assassin82

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: Assassin82

the patterson-gimlin film (PGF) is the only evidence that i believe is real.

i watched a show a long time ago. the show asked professional special effects film makers to reproduce the film. it was done in two parts. first part was using modern technology the second part was using materials available in 1967.

the end result was it could not be done.
until the PGF is duplicated with materials and video equipment of 1967 i have to say the original film is legit, and that bigfoot has to be legit too.

Are we still debating that one? That was disproven decades ago. Here...take a look at this. That is 100% a man in a suit.

Stabilized version

Apparently there are still people who think it is a guy in a suit.

This mistaken idea should have already been put to bed when the Phillip Morris and Bob Heironimus stunt was debunked.

There is and never was any proof it is a guy in a suit.

Let’s revisit this stunt for a few minutes. Phillip Morris and Bob Heironimus are not only hoaxers, but that they are also posers and liars. These guys were opportunists, out to make a buck and make themselves famous. Bob claims “I've been burdened with this for 36 years, seeing the film clip on TV numerous times. Somebody's making lots of money off this, except for me.”

If Patterson owed Bob $1,000 in 1967 like he says he did, why did he not speak up and out them as fakes right away? Well the reason is that Bob was shown to be a phony. The most famous event in his life and not only did he not know how to get to Bluff Creek, once he was there he did not even know how to get to the film site. And of course there is the problem with Bob’s measurements and his fake wooden feet. And then his neighbors wife outted him and how he came up with the whole *Let’s make some money from this* idea.

The only hoax here is what Bob and Phil were telling us.

And have you checked out the book those two were in cahoots with, Greg Long’s "The Making of Bigfoot."? It is a hoax too. If you have not read it, just save yourself some time and go and read all the negative reviews it has. They will tell you what is wrong with it and why it is not taken seriously.

Remember now, we are talking about one of the three most watched films in the history of mankind. This minute long film has been watched over and over; zoomed in and slowed down probably a billion times before the Zapruder film was even released to the public in 1975. So the details of the Patty film have been well known to its investigators for decades.

originally posted by: fooffstarr
If it was a costume I'd love to see the guy they put inside it. He would surely take the world record for the largest shoulders, arm length, arm maneuverability, leg musculature and would probably be the head of the ministry of silly walks.

Analysis of the Patterson film and location has shown that the creature known as Patty was over 7 feet tall and weighed roughly 700 pounds. At no time did Bob Heironimus ever weigh 700 pounds, and he is not 7 feet tall. We are told that in 1967 there were only 4,000 people on Earth who were 7 feet tall, and Bob was not one of them. And of course film of Bob walking when compared against the Bluff Creek film easily shows the size inconsistencies between him and Patty. Nothing on their bodies line up.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
All you gotta do is look carefully enough at the muscles and you can tell it is not a suit

Like Bob Heironimus, Phillip Morris is another hoaxer who wanted to gain notoriety and make some money.

We know that costume manufacturer Phillip Morris claimed he made the suit that was in the Patterson film, yet after all those years; he never could provide a suit of his that matched what was seen in the film.

They say the best ape costume maker in the world in 1967 was John Chambers, the one who made the costumes for “Planet of the Apes”. All in the profession seem to agree that he was far better at making costumes than Phillip Morris.

originally posted by: EWom
The make up artist admitted that he was probably the best in the business at that time; but also admitted he was not skilled enough to create anything like what would be needed for the Patterson-Gimlin film.

In 1979 a dozen of the best costume designers that could be found were working on “The Empire Strikes Back”. All of them were interviewed and they all said the Patterson film must be the real deal, because none of them could make a costume that good. They said the only person they knew of who could do it IN 1967 was John Chambers, the guy who did “Planet Of The Apes”. And Chambers said not only did he NOT do it, he did not think anyone else did either. He too said it was not a suit.

When you look at the history of ape costumes his reasoning for that is obvious. The hair, the width of the torso and the limb proportions all are problems for this being a suit. Many of the professionals today who make costumes for Hollywood movies are far better at it than Phillip Morris ever was, and they love to make ape suits. Yet to this day they still cannot make a costume the equal of Patty. That is because there is no support system for the pajama style fur suits they make. There are no real contact points for the muscles.

Patty has all of the muscle groups going for her. She’s got movement everywhere; in the head, the trapezius, the deltoid and the erector spine. Her shoulder blades are moving under the skin and her quads contract when she walks. She even has great flexibility in the foot, like where we see Patty take her heel off the ground but yet keep the entire forefoot in touch with the ground.

None of this ever showed up in any of the costumes that Phillip Morris created.

The other costume problem is seams. Hair is the easiest way to cover up seems, and to do this costume makers use longer patches of hair to cover the seams. Patty does not have longer patches of hair, as the experts have pointed out; her hair is a consistent 2 or 3 inches all over her body. So it is not long, like say Chewbacca, who has 8 inch hair everywhere to hide his seams. It is Patties short hair that allows us to see her mussels.

If the Patty film showed a suit with seams disguised with standard hair length, why did Hollywood not adopt the same style suit after all these decades?

Apes have longer arms than humans. In Hollywood this means arm extensions, which means an elongated forearm. That also means that the wrist, hands and fingers never move, they just hang in place.

Patties wrist and hands move and her elbow is where it should be, there is no foreshortening. So a human in her “suit” would not be able to bend his arm because his elbow would be located in her upper arm, which does not bend.

How about “girth”? Hollywood bulks up their men into apes by making them wear foam padding. This provides muscle mass, making them appear to be bigger, stronger and bulkier. This is done under the outer layer suit.

Speaking of Chewbacca, he is a twig compared to Patty, because Patty has girth. Patty is thick with mass in both depth and width. And Patty has 3 foot shoulder muscles. No one in Hollywood shows neck and shoulder muscles. Yet somehow Patterson did it way back in 1967? And you might recall that Chambers planet apes wore clothes, while Patty did not. Patty had nothing to hide.

Then there is the head. A human wearing a Patty “suit” would not be able to see out the eye holes of her “mask”. This means a person in that Patty “suit” would have to look out the neck. But the placement of her lower jaw does not allow for this. Her head is in the wrong spot for a human using her shoulders. The proportions do not fit. A human in Patties body would have their jaws sticking out her neck.

That is just another reason why it could not be a suit.

So let’s repeat this again, Morris NEVER showed any evidence of a suit that matched what was in the film. He never showed a check or any form of payment from Patterson. He never said anything while Patterson was alive. He only started talking after Patterson had died and could not defend himself.

Bob Gimlin has said that when Patterson filmed the creature, nobody was wearing a suit and that anyone who says they did are not only making absolutely false statements but that they are liars too.

And what about those feet of Bob Heironimus?

originally posted by: EWom
The wooden feet he produced to prove that he hoaxed the whole encounter, when compared to the plasters casts of the bigfoot footprints taken at the time of the film did not even come close to matching up.

The Bluff Creek footprints alone prove this is not a person in an outfit walking across the sandbar.

Investigators went to the site soon after the film was taken. The imprints in the sand showed the weight of the creature to be around 700 pounds. The men in their cowboy boots could hardly make an impression at all, even when they tried to by jumping off logs.

These investigators knew that Patterson and Gimlin would of needed a machine with them to imprint the footprints that far into the sand. But the investigators who were there could see no other tracks outside of theirs and the creatures. There was no evidence in the sand that a machine had been there or that the ground had been cleaned up, nothing unusual at all was found. Except of course the large footprints the creature had made.

Some of Patties prints showed distinct pressure ridges, which show a push-off that comes about as a result of the very flexible mid-foot. This same, unique feature shows up in footprint samples across the world, and have since the 1950’s. Bob Heironimus did not know enough about your classic Bigfoot print to incorporate these into his fake feet. Like Ray Wallace before him, Bob just made simple, flat wooden feet that, even with an hours worth of training, you and I could tell left fake prints. And like Ray, Bob’s feet did not match the plaster tracks taken from the Bluff Creek site.

originally posted by: MacMerdin
First of all....If some guy claims he wore the suit.....where's the suit? Well, show ME the proof that some guy wore a suit....specially when even the top guys in Hollywood say they can't even make a suit like that today.

If Bigfoot believers need to come up with a body to be believed, then Bigfoot deniers need to come up with Patties suit to be believed. Guess who is going to win that game. Here’s a hint, Sasquatch are smarter than skeptics.

Some people complain that there is no way that Patterson just took a movie camera and went out and found Bigfoot, and that in itself makes it fake. But it is best to remember that it took Patterson 6 years of searching to see a Bigfoot. And he was out looking for them. This film was no overnight success.

Just Imagine If he had filmed for even a minute longer earlier that day, we would have no pictures at all.

And why did HE film Bigfoot and no one else did?

The answer seems obvious – once you know. If you are like me and many others, you will feel "like DUH" when you find out the reason.

When Patterson and Gimlin rode around a big fallen tree they spotted the Bigfoot looking at them across the creek. Why did Patty not run away before hand?

Horses.

Patty heard and smelled the horses, but not the men. She may have known what horses were, maybe even would try to eat one. She certainly would not be afraid of them. So in her curiosity she waited for the horses to come into view, and seeing humans on them, she started to leave the scene, walking away from them. Maybe if everyone went out looking for Bigfoot on horseback we would have more film of them.

The following is a history list I compiled of Bluff Creek, California sightings:

August 1958. Road builders Ray Wallace and Jerry Crew find 16-inch BF tracks all around a parked Caterpillar Tractor 20 miles south of Bluff Creek. The tracks reappear a month later and plaster casts are taken. Weekly thereafter, Jerry sees Bigfoot tracks going from Northwest to Southeast on the same logging road. Ray Wallace finds human-like droppings the size of those a 1200 pound horse would make. Wilbur Wallace, Ray's brother, finds a full 55 gallon oil drum carried to the edge of the road and thrown down the hill. He also finds a 20 foot length of 18" culvert carried some distance away and a 700 pound tire & wheel for a "carry all" which had been rolled for a quarter mile and hurled into a ravine.

Fall, 1958. Editor Andrew Genzoli and the senior staff photographer of the Times-Standard see Bigfoot tracks and droppings of monumental proportions like those of a "2 ton bear with chronic constipation."

September, 1958. Bigfoot tracks are seen 4 different times on Bluff Creek Road.

October 1, 1958. Jerry Crew finds a quarter mile of BF tracks on Bluff Creek Road and makes casts.

October 12, 1958. Ray Kerr and Leslie Breazeale see a BF cross a 20' road in 2 strides and find tracks several miles south of where they are usually seen on Bluff Creek Road. Hired by Ray Wallace to track BF, they redouble their hunting effort but their dogs disappear a few days later and are never seen again.

Mid October, 1958. BF tracks are seen again near Bluff Creek.

October 23, 1958. BF tracks are seen on Bluff Creek Road once again.

October 28, 1958. 2 miles of 16" BF tracks are seen on Bluff Creek Road.

October 30, 1958. BF tracks are seen going down a hill from Bluff Creek Road.

November 2, 1958. Bob Titmus and Ed Patrick find BF tracks on a Bluff Creek Sandbar.

December 18. 1958. Betty Allen finds 6 miles of BF tracks on Bluff Creek Road, expressed fear in her articles.

1959. A husband and wife flying a private plane over Bluff Creek see and follow BF tracks until they pass over the BF making them.

August 16, 1959. Bob Titmus finds 300 yards of BF tracks along Bluff Creek Sandbar.

August 30, 1959. Bob Titmus finds more BF tracks at Bluff Creek Sandbar.

November 1, 1959. Bob Titmus finds even more BF tracks at Bluff Creek Sandbar; discovery was 8 years before Patterson filmed the BF in roughly the same location.

November 2, 1959. Betty Allen finds BF tracks coming down a canyon and along Bluff Creek.

January 30, 1960. Betty Allen finds BF tracks around a shovel loader on Humboldt Fir logging road at Bluff Creek.

June 19, 1960. Dr. Charles Johnson and his family find BF tracks on both sides of the Klamath River a half mile west of Bluff Creek.

1962 - Enis Schofield described how his fencing was torn down fencepost by fencepost the week after it was erected nearby the Bluff Creek Resort. Each post was pulled up out of its concrete piling in the ground which Schofield said required unheard of strength and was probably done because it blocked a pathway the Big Feet people used to reach the creek every night. Pointing toward the hillside, he told Betty Allen, "They come down the hill there, you can see their tracks and they seem to go down to the creek to drink or maybe to go up it, because no tracks come back up the hill. They come out somewheres else," he told Allen. Schofield told the reporter they didn't feel safe barbequing outdoors anymore and were contemplating selling their cabin to Saunders boys, owners of the Resort on the main road.

August 19, 1962. Skip Clark finds and casts Bigfoot tracks at Bluff Creek sandbar.

September 26, 1962. Bob Titmus finds miles of BF tracks on Bluff Creek Road and in the creek bottom itself.

1963. Thomas Sourwine says a 300 pound boulder was used to repeatedly smash road building equipment parked at the time near Bluff Creek upper road.

1963. Pat Graves follows BF tracks for 5 miles from Laird Meadow to Bluff Creek Road at Notice Creek. Sticks 1¼ in thick are found broken in the tracks.

1963. Dave Blake finds BF tracks where a barrel of diesel fuel was thrown off the road.

1963. BF tracks 15 inches long are found at Bluff Creek logging operations, with boxes of spikes thrown around and sticks of dynamite bitten into.

June 13, 1963. BF tracks 16 inches long are found crossing Notice Creek near Bluff Creek only 100 feet away from where 3 men were sleeping in a car.

June 30, 1963. BF tracks 10 to 15 inches long are found and cast in the Bluff Creek area.

August, 1963. BF tracks are found on Bluff Creek Road at Notice Creek Bridge.

October 1963. Al Hodgson finds a set of BF tracks a few hundred yards above the Notice Creek Bridge at Bluff Creek sandbar. The sandbar was washed away in the 1964 flood.

July 1964. Scout Master Joe Christensen Sr., and Boy Scout Camp medic Dick Beathel found (a mile from the camp) 17 inch by 7 1/2 inch bare footprints in the mud and cast them. The stride was around five feet between imprints; five toes. Photo of casts were published in the Modesto Bee on July 16, 1964. The location was 7 miles northeast of Mariposa, Mariposa County, California

Summer 1964. Dave Blake often finds BF tracks at Laid Meadow at Blake and Tregoning Logging operation west of Bluff Creek. A culvert 4 feet in diameter and 20 feet long is thrown into the canyon and 450 pound barrels of diesel fuel are moved around.

August 21, 1964. Roger Patterson finds and casts 17 inch tracks with a 52 inch stride on Laird Meadow Road.

September, 1964. Samuel Brewer Jr. finds and casts a 15½ inch BF tracks with a 47 inch stride along Bluff Creek.

Fall, 1964. Dave Blake sees BF tracks around his logging equipment every morning for a week. A trailer load of 18 inch culverts is overturned while men are working nearby.

1965. Jay Rowland finds BF tracks along Bluff Creek a short distance from Notice Creek.

1965 On Notice Creek near where it runs into Bluff Creek, Indian road grader operator Dewey Haupe hears distant night whistles while bear hunting with Titmus, one whistle would cause a return whistle from opposite direction. Titmus tells Haupe its BF.

July, 1965. Steve Sanders and 2 others sleeping in a tent awake to see a large finger or stick opening their tent flap. Their yells scare it off. Investigating the next day, they find BF tracks 17 inches long and 7 inches wide around their tent at Blue Lake near Bluff Creek.

September, 1965. Mark Karr said he drove his vehicle into a tree to avoid hitting a Bigfoot that was in the road.

1966. Jason Edwards parents told him that they saw a family of 4 BF while hunting bear in the Bluff Creek area. Two adults and a medium size and smaller one.

1966. Richard Sides sees a BF squatting at Bluff Creek drinking water with cupped hands.

1966. A logging truck driver who didn't want his name used because of his employment claimed he was knocked down after running smack into the chest of a Bigfoot on the front porch of his cabin. His friend, Bud Jensen supported his story and described an eleven-inch handprint that was also found on the porch door.

Fall, 1966. Jay Roland sees BF tracks on a road a Scorpion Creek in the Bluff Creek area.

October 25, 1966. Dan Mullens finds BF tracks and an unopened case of oil cans crushed on Notice Creek near Bluff Creek.

June 19, 1967. Dewey Haupe finds large tracks around his road grader 8am on a Monday morning; tells friend Larry Omeg then phones Titmus from Ed Saunder's place.

Summer, 1967. Roger Patterson poured a plaster of paris cast of a left & right 9" child's track and shows Al Hodgson the tracks while he was up there.

August 1967. BF tracks 16 inches long are found for 3 miles on Bluff Creek Road going from East Fork to Notice Creek by Bud Ryerson; he notifies Bob Titmus.

August 1967. J. Crew and D. Haupe mention to Titmus a disturbance around the equipment staging area down near the bridge, vandals or BF?

August 1967. Bud Ryerson sees hundreds of 13 to 15 inch BF tracks on the road he is building on Blue Creek Mountain, west of Bluff Creek. Tractor parts are scattered all over the area; he notifies John Green, Bob Titmus and Al Hodgson. Green brings in tracking dogs.

August, 1967. Several BF tracks are found and cast by a road crew on Onion Mountain, west of Bluff Creek. The tracks measure 13 and 15 inches long.

August, 1967. Al Hodgson see's Patterson's 9" track on Bluff Creek Sandbar; casts a second 14" track.

August 1967. Bud Ryerson sees hundreds of 13 to 15 inch BF tracks on the road he is building on Blue Creek Mountain, west of Bluff Creek. Tractor parts are scattered all over the area. Notifies John Green by company radio phone saying, "What you're looking for is here..."

August 15, 1967. Road grader operator Dewey Haupe arriving early to work discovers hour glass tracks near the water tower.

August 27 1967. John Green and Rene Dahinden fly down to Bluff Creek in chartered Cessna 185 landing at Orleans airstrip; tracks are photographed. Al Hodgson and son Mike drive family station wagon to pick them up. Green tells Al Hodgsons to phone Patterson.

October 20, 1967. Bob Gimlin and Roger Patterson see and film motion pictures of a female BF at Bluff Creek. Her tracks measure 14½ inches long by 6” wide and are so deep in the sand as to require between 350 to 700 pounds of weight. The walking span measured 40”. The running span (after the film had run out) measured 65”.

June 1968. Steve Marlin and Bruce Cornwall find BF tracks between Bluff Creek and Fish Lake.

1969. Peter Byrne, Brian Matthes and Steve Matthes find Bigfoot tracks along Bluff Creek.

January 1969. Pat Graves sees BF tracks from a plane between Blue Creek Divide and Nikowitz Road.

May, 1969. Dr. Bernard Northrup and a party of San Francisco Theological Seminary Students find over 1000 16" BF tracks in the Bluff Creek area. They also find torn, twisted bark stripped from the trees near the tracks in the sand.

August, 1969. The owner of the Bluff Creek Resort and a small cluster of fishing cabins, Ed Saunders found a line of 16-inch Bigfoot tracks in the sandbar at the mouth of Bull Creek in the Bluff Creek area.

After 11 years the trail seems to end there. It seems Patty and her group moved on, possibly to put space between them and the human intrusion.

originally posted by: Phage
Why?

Exactly. I'm perfectly willing to let is sit as an "unknown" until there is definitive proof, one way or another.

I believe it could exist. There are vast amounts of wilderness everywhere. For someone to say with any sort of finality that they don't exist, needs to get outdoors.

What do I think they are? A type of human. I don't care about the peer review part, Melba Ketchums study was good enough for me. To have other people that don't know what they're talking about (Brian Sykes) bash the work and say they don't understand why she kept turning up this unknown DNA in every sample, did not read the paper, much less understand it.

It has been photographed and filmed along with plaster casts made showing dermal ridges. That would be enough evidence to get a conviction in court.

Just my two cents.

There's to much technology today to not be able to find a single Bigfoot or even a trace of a single Bigfoot , I'm sure there's some math that can be done to estimate the so called population of the creature using the number of pseudo sightings for a year , My guess that would mean the population would have to be in the hundreds if not thousands and with numbers like that it would just about be impossible to not find even a trace of them .

So sorry Bigfoot is just a myth .

originally posted by: Gargoyle91
There's to much technology today to not be able to find a single Bigfoot or even a trace of a single Bigfoot , I'm sure there's some math that can be done to estimate the so called population of the creature using the number of pseudo sightings for a year , My guess that would mean the population would have to be in the hundreds if not thousands and with numbers like that it would just about be impossible to not find even a trace of them .

So sorry Bigfoot is just a myth .

Maybe if everyone was hunting it.

How long did it take the most technologically advanced and highest trained military to find one man?

Like I said before, the world is just too big for this to be an impossibility. The entire population of the world could fit into Texas with about 1000 sq ft for each individual.

a reply to: superman2012

If I had the money and I'm sure there guys out there that do I would be up to date with hot spots and have a Helicopter on the ready with thermal and a tranquilizer rifle ..

Not to mention all the drone tech if it was there it would be found by now it's not like they are searching for a rare frog or something , Bigfoot is supposed to be a HUGE animal and with a breeding size population would not be hard to find .

a reply to: Gargoyle91

Has anyone done it yet?

Drones are not allowed in National Parks. Huge fines for that.
I think you underestimate how much wilderness there is in North America.

originally posted by: Gargoyle91
There's to much technology today to not be able to find a single Bigfoot or even a trace of a single Bigfoot , I'm sure there's some math that can be done to estimate the so called population of the creature using the number of pseudo sightings for a year , My guess that would mean the population would have to be in the hundreds if not thousands and with numbers like that it would just about be impossible to not find even a trace of them .

So sorry Bigfoot is just a myth .

First off - there's not enough people out searching for them for the technology to matter.
Second – judging by how many are seen and how spread out the sightings are, there must be thousands of them.
Third – what do you mean impossible to find a trace of them?

People hear them all the time.
We know because they tell us so.

People see them all the time.
We know because they tell us so.

Even you have seen one.
We have all seen “Patty”.

The problem you have is you do not believe in them.
It only takes ONE photo to be real.
It only takes ONE story to be real.

But you do not believe ANY of them.

And mainly, it’s a government cover-up. If the gov does not want the public to know something they lie and deceive and do what ever they can to cover it up. They are not always successful because things get out. But even when they do, people like you do not believe it anyway.

As they say in the woods, Bigfoot ain’t no myth.

originally posted by: Sabrechucker
No one here needs a history lesson on Bigfoot, Sasquatch or any of it's many names.
What we do need is some finality on what this phenomenon is.

Thousands of people have encountered something in the woods, that's a fact.

I would believe some have had a few too many, heard a coyote and promptly flipped out.

I would also believe that some have actually seen a 7 foot tall man wearing nothing but his birthday suit covered in hair wandering the woods.

Their are so many "Quanspiricies" taking place at the moment that I feel this has been lost in the shuffle.

It's not that I don't believe in that (most members will know I certainly do)

However I dare to find a connection, Human, Animal, Crossbreed or both.

I'am well beyond aware that this topic has been brought up, analyzed, and then brought up again.

My Question is...have we ever considered the possibility that "Bigfoot" is here to help us?

Is "Bigfoot" in disguise? If we shave them down..what's left.. a human?

If you look at the sky at night and believe all the stars we're put in place for our amusement..God help you.

Technology has taken the forefront lately in the conspiracy world..Robot's are taking us over!!

They may be however, lets get back to basics!

Why is their an inter dimensional "harry man" Roaming..Waiting?

I feel the search for "Bigfoot" may actually be a search for our forgotten ancestors...Why don't we use 75% of our brain?

ARE WE CHASING OURSELVES?

I know this guy is just trying to sell a book..but is he wrong?

www.inverse.com...

The only conclusion to the Big Foot and the Aliens visiting Earth saga is "EVIDENCE", otherwise, we continue on and on.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
The problem you have is you do not believe in them.
It only takes ONE photo to be real.
It only takes ONE story to be real.

Yes, but because the claim runs very counter to general consensus, those things have to be proven. It would be nice if that happened, because I'm a big "fan" of Bigfoot, and it would be very fun if it was proven beyond any doubt to actually exist.

So far, though, we don't quite have that. Maybe with advancements in technology we'll get it. Hard to say. I'll keep waiting.