Christchurch shooting: police search for gunman after mass shooting at mosque – live updates

originally posted by: gallop

originally posted by: Shockerking

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Shockerking

They were not corpses, they were cowering when they heard gunfire. They probably didn't realize they were the targets initially, and got low/stuck together to reduce their target area (from a drive by, for instance)

The guy who went after the shooter emerged from the left side. After he's nearly tackled/subdued, he jogs back down the hallway to empty another magazine into the left side (presumably out of anger for the guy who tried to take him down)

They also may have been playing dead, I really am not sure

Look at it again. The way they are laying is not cowering, they are already dead. Weird positions and such.

I so want to say what I want to call you..

It's a false flag eeryone.. no one died, it's a scam to stop people thinking about brexit.. or trump.. or venezuela... Pffft

What is wrong with you? Why would you want to call me anything? All i was doing was pointing out what i noticed in the video and speculated upon it.
ETA: And don't be puuting words in my mouth either, when did i say this was a false flag? Stay off the booze pal!

Imagine using this to blame the "Liberals" for this, because of refugees, instead of the radicalisation this individual had in his hate and willingness to murder people he didn't like

This video made me sick to my stomach. I watched it. Kids. Innocent people. I equate this to 9/11 as an attack on innocent people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was professional. Thorough. Collected. Scary to be honest. AS calm as he was talking at the end of the video he acted like a operator not a nut.

I am interested in the other 2 arrested also. Was there security at the second site?


The fear of this to me is not more attacks on mosques but the retaliation of those who feel they were targeted.

originally posted by: gallop
a reply to: Krakatoa

Simply, they were not in a war zone. They were not combatants. They were at a mosque, celebrating their own every day things.

They didn't have a warzone mentality in New Zealand.. they were just like any other family members, scared and protecting one another.

I guess learning from past events what not to do isn't within the realm of them, is that what you are saying?

Please....it's common sense. Unless you have been trained to not take action yourself and only rely upon the govt to take care of you cradle to grave. It has been proven that huddling together in an attacker scenario is a guaranteed death sentence. So, don't repeat that mistake....fight to live.

Watch New Zealand poison their hearts and minds from absurd political junk..While people die everyday around the world in the millions..Not to say some kind of better gun laws might work...Then the governments have all the guns and will force your force your butts off to wars if needed..

a reply to: Krakatoa

I have to agree with that point. One of the people who escaped keeps popping up in interviews - his instinct was to get TFO of the nearest available window and then hide, initially in the neighbouring building.

However, some victims are kids - could you in all honesty abandon your children to save yourself? Must be an impossibly horrendous situation to find yourself in.

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: Krakatoa

I have to agree with that point. One of the people who escaped keeps popping up in interviews - his instinct was to get TFO of the nearest available window and then hide, initially in the neighbouring building.

However, some victims are kids - could you in all honesty abandon your children to save yourself? Must be an impossibly horrendous situation to find yourself in.

With regard to the children. Do you honestly think that covering them with your body will stop a hail of bullets from penetrating you into them and killing them too? I understand the instinct to protect the children, don't get me wrong. However, huddling with them will NOT save them in a shooter scenario. Get them and you OUT of the kill box.

Staying in the kill box is guaranteeing that child's death....as has been proven.

Not to be the bearer of bad news here, but looks like New Zealand might want to bring back its guns as their police just like ours are always too late!

The difference between USA and NZ: Someone packing would have stepped in after so many shots and put this idiot out of his misery a lot earlier on if they did have gun laws!


Just saying as it happens here in the states not the police, but private individuals stopping horrendous acts!

Sure my two cents will fall on deaf ears however!

Too bad that guy that had the stones to try rushing the shooter didnt have a gun. He could have saved a bunch of lives, including his own.

a reply to: Krakatoa

No, i honestly don't think it would protect them. However you have to consider the sheer panic in such a situation and then magnify it for the children. There is all sorts of evidence to show how panic can affect crowds, with people turning into herd mentality. In essence, some will run but many will panic and not know what to do - and then, before you know whats happening, it's too late.

I genuinely believe ALL of us like to think we would do things differently. But in reality, none of us actually know until we have been in such a situation.

What you mean like they did at Sandy Hook, Columbine, Las Vegas, Orlando etc a reply to: kingsquirel

originally posted by: kingsquirel
Not to be the bearer of bad news here, but looks like New Zealand might want to bring back its guns as their police just like ours are always too late!

Since it's perfectly legal to own a gun in New Zealand. Maybe the better cause of action would be to outlaw them completely?

a reply to: Jobeycool

Watch New Zealand poison their hearts and minds from absurd political junk.

I think the shooters did all the poisoning of hearts and minds with his absurd political junk.

While people die everyday around the world in the millions.

Not even hundreds of thousands die in a day (on average)

Not to say some kind of better gun laws might work.

This is there only mass shooting recently that I'm aware of.

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: Krakatoa

No, i honestly don't think it would protect them. However you have to consider the sheer panic in such a situation and then magnify it for the children. There is all sorts of evidence to show how panic can affect crowds, with people turning into herd mentality. In essence, some will run but many will panic and not know what to do - and then, before you know whats happening, it's too late.

I genuinely believe ALL of us like to think we would do things differently. But in reality, none of us actually know until we have been in such a situation.

Perhaps that is why I am saying what I am saying. I have been and know first hand how deadly inaction can be. Which is why learning from past failures is essential. Along with not teaching and raising people to rely upon the govt to protect them. The police will NEVER be there when the stuff goes down. They will only be there after they are called to respond to the scene. Until then, YOU are responsible for your own safety, and that of any children in your care.

Why ware we not teaching that basic tenet of life?

Because that would make people more independent, and not longer relying upon govt to be "big daddy"?

Imagine that.......why would that be?

originally posted by: Debunkology

originally posted by: kingsquirel
Not to be the bearer of bad news here, but looks like New Zealand might want to bring back its guns as their police just like ours are always too late!

Since it's perfectly legal to own a gun in New Zealand. Maybe the better cause of action would be to outlaw them completely?

Please don't stop there and finish the sentence, which is NZ has one of the tightest gun carrying legislations in the world!

But that is besides the point right?

originally posted by: caterpillage
Too bad that guy that had the stones to try rushing the shooter didnt have a gun. He could have saved a bunch of lives, including his own.

Or, had others been taught that huddling was not the answer. Had others joined him, then it is very likely he could have been subdued by 2 or more people. That saves countless lives from him acting unchallenged. If people are going to go into "herd mentality" then do so on the offensive.

With no clear escape available, being defensive is NOT the answer. A defensive strategy in the face of a lone attacker is only delaying your death.

One of the shooter's first victims greeted him with the words "hello brother"...

www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: Dr4c0n

It is always tragic when people get shot at no matter where
they are,schools,churches,synagogues,shopping malls,mosques...
Because there are always paybacks one way or another.