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originally posted by: andy06shake
22% of the rest of the world is not coming to get you.
Maybe you are right all the same, i mean look how close the likes of Iran has put their country to your military bases? LoL
originally posted by: andy06shake
I grew up living right next door to Muslims, went to school with them, knew there Mums, Dads, Grandparents, who were proper immigrants, none of them ever perpetrated the acts of depravity that you describe, at least in this nation.
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Facts aren't exactly your strong suit...
originally posted by: ScepticScot
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And let's not forget that the whole story of Jesus starts with God raping a 12 year old.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
Jesus himself didn't seem to adverse to a spot of violence.
Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.'
The Quran requires that you read it in full. No “cafeteria Quran” here. As Quran 3:8 says, “We believe in it, the whole is from our Lord.” Isis and Islamophobes instead cherry pick.
Innocence of Muslims repeated the claim Muhammad was a paedophile, but the story is more complex and interesting than that
Although most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters, those who accept this saying argue that since the Qur'an states that marriage is void unless entered into by consenting adults, Aisha must have entered puberty early.
They point out that, in seventh-century Arabia, adulthood was defined as the onset of puberty. (This much is true, and was also the case in Europe: five centuries after Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, 33-year-old King John of England married 12-year-old Isabella of Angoulême.) Interestingly, of the many criticisms of Muhammad made at the time by his opponents, none focused on Aisha's age at marriage.
According to this perspective, Aisha may have been young, but she was not younger than was the norm at the time. Other Muslims doubt the very idea that Aisha was six at the time of marriage, referring to historians who have questioned the reliability of Aisha's age as given in the saying. In a society without a birth registry and where people did not celebrate birthdays, most people estimated their own age and that of others. Aisha would have been no different. What's more, Aisha had already been engaged to someone else before she married Muhammad, suggesting she had already been mature enough by the standards of her society to consider marriage for a while. It seems difficult to reconcile this with her being six.
In addition, some modern Muslim scholars have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the saying, or hadith, used to assert Aisha's young age. In Islam, the hadith literature (sayings of the prophet) is considered secondary to the Qur'an. While the Qur'an is considered to be the verbatim word of God, the hadiths were transmitted over time through a rigorous but not infallible methodology. Taking all known accounts and records of Aisha's age at marriage, estimates of her age range from nine to 19.
Because of this, it is impossible to know with any certainty how old Aisha was. What we do know is what the Qur'an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse. As the living embodiment of Islam, Muhammad's actions reflect the Qur'an's teachings on marriage, even if the actions of some Muslim regimes and individuals do not
originally posted by: andy06shake
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Like i said people are people, religion is where the fault lies, quite simple and perfectly illustrated for anyone who cares the look.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Atheists are not the problem and neither is the belief in a creator, the problems arise from organized religious practice.
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The Red Terror in Spain (Spanish: Terror Rojo)[3] is the name given by some historians to various acts of violence committed from 1936 until the end of the Spanish Civil War "by sections of nearly all the leftist groups".[4][5] News of the rightist military coup in 1936 unleashed a social revolutionary response, and no republican region escaped revolutionary and anticlerical violence, but it was minimal in the Basque Country.[6] The violence consisted of the killing of tens of thousands of people (including 6,832 [7] members of the Catholic clergy, the vast majority in the summer of 1936 in the wake of the military coup) as well as attacks on landowners, industrialists, and politicians as well as the desecration and burning of monasteries and churches.
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originally posted by: andy06shake
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Maybe if we were to stop bombing the poor bastards in the Middle East and destroy their existence from our far off ivory towers.
They might play nice rather than simply breed the next generation of terrorist scum, just a thought.
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It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Xtrozero
Never been to the Middle East myself, but the fact is those people are none of our concern, and as far as i can determine the thread is about Muslims in western nations, Sweden to be precise.
I ken the Muslims in my own area and community just fine all the same.
And they are not the problem.
Maybe if we were to stop bombing the poor bastards in the Middle East and destroy their existence from our far off ivory towers.
They might play nice rather than simply breed the next generation of terrorist scum, just a thought.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: ScepticScot
that isn't anything to do with the religion of the migrants.
Religion and culture can go hand in hand. As example, if your religion or culture sees beating woman or raping women not associated with your religion as a proper thing to do then it really doesn't matter what the motivator is, does it? If you feel killing your daughter because she takes on western ideals is within your rights then once again it really doesn't matter what fuels this, only that it happens. I'm not going argue why these immigrants are the way they are, but they have created some serious issues in a place, by your own words, was once one of the best places on earth to live.
Is still one of the best places in the world to live.
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: ScepticScot
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And let's not forget that the whole story of Jesus starts with God raping a 12 year old.
God did not rape Mary. She was a virgin... But go ahead and keep on trying to normalize rape... It says more about you than it says about Christianity.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
Jesus himself didn't seem to adverse to a spot of violence.
Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.'
That isn't a reference to violence... It is a reference to how even people in the family of those who would follow Christ would turn against the followers of Christ. If you read the passages before, and after you would know what he was talking about.