Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: celltypespecific

That tweet is gone with the wind.

Since her return to Twitter, Pasulka has taken to deleting her tweets a la DeLonge - a total bull# move that has destroyed her credibility in my eyes. And I was once a big fan of hers.

Games, games and more games.

The Pasulka book started off interesting but turned into a story of her following and almost idolizing the new ufo saints of the tech industry. It lost all objective focus.

a reply to: Willtell

Some interesting points there will...

The worship of technology; thats what alot of ufology seems to come down to. If you couple that with people that are interested in the occult, scientology, theosophy and other werid stuff that essentially "invented" ufology and have been the custodians of it for decades continually; makes you wonder what those people would do with such technology if they had it.

Talk to / Summon their "Masters"?

a reply to: coursecatalog

Games, games and more games.

But it is entertaining to watch.

a reply to: pigsy2400


You mean the warp drives, the antigravity vehicles flying like a phantom through space, the worm holes, and a “life form” and other assorted supposed super technology that they deem that the aliens are dropping on us as a favor.

Fantastic dreams. What makes that so problematic is that its all based on egotistical ideas that these so-called aliens give a damn about us, and wishful thinking but little real evidence that such things are happening.

It's confirmation bias ufology

The worship of technology; thats what alot of ufology seems to come down to. If you couple that with people that are interested in the occult, scientology, theosophy and other werid stuff that essentially "invented" ufology and have been the custodians of it for decades continually; makes you wonder what those people would do with such technology if they had it.

The above I must say is a brilliant point!!

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: pigsy2400


You mean the warp drives, the antigravity vehicles flying like a phantom through space, the worm holes, and a “life form” and other assorted supposed super technology that they deem that the aliens are dropping on us as a favor.

Fantastic dreams. What makes that so problematic is that its all based on egotistical ideas that these so-called aliens give a damn about us, and wishful thinking but little real evidence that such things are happening.

Is confirmation bias ufology

Excellent point Will.

What will Ufology bring us in 2020? Any predictions?

Will 2020 finally be the year of Disclosure?

Will TTSA release another video in 2020?

What will the results of the meta-materials analysis yield?

The truth of the matter is the so-called phenomenon which produced commercial ufology is very important. I personally believe something potentially very significant is happening but what good is it if ufologists or scientists—converted to the ufology religion— use confirmation bias as a methodology to get at the truth.

You don’t learn the truth from confirmation bias. These ufologists who do that are either just out for the small money they get or they are indulging in obsessional or wishful thinking.

The truth may come but it won’t come from these people. It may reveal itself despite groups indulging in confirmation bias like the ancient alien “theorists”, most of the popular ufologists, and TTSA.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
What will Ufology bring us in 2020? Any predictions?

Will 2020 finally be the year of Disclosure?

Will TTSA release another video in 2020?

What will the results of the meta-materials analysis yield?

Time,

WillTell

a reply to: Willtell

Yeah well, the hope of saviour from "above" is as old as time itself, at least the belief in it is. It also keeps the ufo masses happy and a common goal to root for. Those free energy devices derived from alien propulsion will save us and solve all the world's problems...rather than take responsibility for them.

I'm interested in how you would induce at will, "paranormal/alien/occult" style experiences, for me that leads to a techno-biological answer that is feasible and in some instances acknowledged technology that's in the works. See DARPAS BioRadio and SilentTalk programs as evidence of that with real world applications.

How do you induce different states of mind? Mess with brains...Persinger did quite effectively and simply using EMF.

Theres occult connections with ufology and also repeating patterns of German ones too...and we know some of their "hobbies" in terms of human experimentation.

Why are there seemingly more people qualified in microbiology, genetics, cancer, mutations of cells and Neuroscientists interested in ufology than astronomers?

TTSA couldn't move for microbiologists at one point, where where the astrophysicists and astronomers?

The reproduction of occult style experiences is where these guys are heading...the crashed saucers and alien tech is for the kids whilst the grown ups are doing something else entirely.....in my opinion.



Note; Just replying to you Will, not targeting my response at you specifically

originally posted by: celltypespecific

Will 2020 finally be the year of Disclosure?

Of course not. The same clarion call has sounded at the end of every year on ATS since it began, each occasion creating an air of "Next year MUST be the one! Halleluja!!!"

Will TTSA release another video in 2020?

A UFO video? Well, they promised to do so a long time ago now, and nothing emerged. Will they get a second season of "Unedifying"? Maybe, but what can they cover that's 'fresh'? And will they hire an editor who won't screw up the facts of classic cases (eg, I'm sure Jim Penniston is still amazed to learn that he was involved during Night Three of the Rendlesham case - that was a toe-curling cock-up).

What will the results of the meta-materials analysis yield?

Sweet Fanny Adams. You know that. Certainly nothing from Linda Moulton Madcow.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
The reproduction of occult style experiences is where these guys are heading...the crashed saucers and alien tech is for the kids whilst the grown ups are doing something else entirely.....in my opinion.

That certainly seems the way this is all heading, because where else can they go?

It seems I owe The GUT a sincere apology for severely doubting his earlier assertions this year that this would be the case. Live and learn, eh? Still an incredibly unhealthy avenue for those guys to go down, so they're welcome to lose a few marbles whilst dabbling in it.


And from the subsequent post below about secret alien evidence stashed away:

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
And we know they know that we know they do.

I didn't know that we know that they know that we know that they know that they do.

How do we know? Did I miss yet ANOTHER meeting down the docks?

Anyway, I'm getting far too drunk to be typing on a public forum tonight (what am I DOING here???), so I shall retire gracefully before the New Year rolls in... Best wishes to all and sundry.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Theres occult connections with ufology and also repeating patterns of German ones too...and we know some of their "hobbies" in terms of human experimentation.

Why are there seemingly more people qualified in microbiology, genetics, cancer, mutations of cells and Neuroscientists interested in ufology than astronomers?T

There's actual evidence of at least one unknown human species in our DNA. That's why our own biology might still offer answers to the question "what if we are the aliens?".

One could state perception as such boils down to an "occult" experience of reality itself, otherwise we would sit on some form of world theory with answers for everything. Right? Which is where control, or the lack thereof, comes into play. And from here on it's really difficult to have a conversation about certain elements of the unknown without speculations.

And that's part of the intentional "mystification" with UFO topics in general, or TTSA. This is not about an alleged lack in our basic epistemology if they have video material, aka actual evidence, in their top secret drawers. And we know they know that we know they do.

TTSA couldn't move for microbiologists at one point, where where the astrophysicists and astronomers?

Watching "stars" vanish into darkness whilst wiretapping the space force communicating with lasers? Who knows what those folks imagine whilst staring at the ceiling?

The reproduction of occult style experiences is where these guys are heading...the crashed saucers and alien tech is for the kids whilst the grown ups are doing something else entirely.....in my opinion.

They can team up with Greer and summon orbs all day long, but I would like to suggest that we summon hell itself to retrieve this piece of history lost to the dark age of black budgets. Which would include the hard evidence of crashed saucers, so yeah... fck those "experts of the occult"?

Anyhow. Happy new whatever, my dear patchwork family of ATSliens!

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
There's actual evidence of at least one unknown human species in our DNA. That's why our own biology might still offer answers to the question "what if we are the aliens?".

-Unknown human
-Alien

Those sound mutually exclusive to me so I don't know how you come up with "what if we are the aliens?" from that.

Not saying we aren't descended from aliens but if so it might be Martians, if life started on Mars first and billions of years ago, and a rock like ALH84009 from Mars seeded life on Earth, we could all be descended from Martian life. But I don't know how you get "alien" out of unknown human, which doesn't seem to fit any credible theory of evolution I ever heard.

This is not about an alleged lack in our basic epistemology if they have video material, aka actual evidence, in their top secret drawers. And we know they know that we know they do.

If it's really top secret, the only people who know what it is can't talk about it, so we know nothing about it. I have a feeling I'd be really disappointed if I saw it. Maybe it would be like the story of Fravor "I saw something not from this Earth, and there's a video", but the video isn't of what he saw as far as I can tell, and it certainly doesn't show any evidence of the incredible performance he described, or of being alien.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
What will Ufology bring us in 2020? Any predictions?

Will 2020 finally be the year of Disclosure?

Will TTSA release another video in 2020?

What will the results of the meta-materials analysis yield?

Time is a human construct. It's all happening right now.

HAPPY NEW YEAR DEAR FRIENDS




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What will Ufology bring us in 2020? Any predictions?

Jebediah Dolan Molten Friedman Pope will produce "Aliens Right Under Your Nose : Bob Bigelow and ET" featuring a 2 minute clip of a 2016 - 60 minutes interview and some old tapes that were thrown out in the trash by a Las Vegas TV station.

Belinda Molten How will announce the Roswell Slides were real pictures of a dead alien and sell them to TTSA for $70k. TTSA will announce a deal with Kodak to produce more slides of aliens for them.

Oh and Big Beautiful Lue and Tom will star in a new sit-com for the Comedy Channel set in Arizona in Spring 1997. They both play bouncers for a local night club and live on a trailer park by day. That is until something changes their lives forever....



Hippy New Year everyone.

a reply to: Arbitrageur


A lot of people tend to call actual human beings illegal aliens as well, don't get me started on semantics.

But I don't know how you get "alien" out of unknown human, which doesn't seem to fit any credible theory of evolution I ever heard.

What about the good old ancient aliens perspective with humans from another star system? Mere illegal aliens on this planet or family in a somewhat galactic evolution of sorts?
Furthermore, how can you get the "alien" out of the human anyway, with all that iron from burnt stars in our blood? Red Giants, anyone?

If it's really top secret, the only people who know what it is can't talk about it, so we know nothing about it.

It's even worse. We probably never will know jack**** unless we put an end to this lack of accountability. That's a real issue. He's in the Navy now!

It's not even personal, I have no problem with his account. It's a good thing we have people coming forward, but there is a high possibility of black budget tests being conducted in a training area. Define "not from this world", Fravor! Does a colony on the dark side of the moon count?

but the video isn't of what he saw as far as I can tell, and it certainly doesn't show any evidence of the incredible performance he described, or of being alien.

Agreed. Let's just assume he has a point and saw things we didn't; you wound't crush anyone with those speeds if it's a drone and/ or if it comes with a totally different atmosphere in a sphere of sorts. That's the problem with a pilot's analysis, he naturally tends to see planes with pilots in the sky due to all the experience from his standard encounters.

a reply to: pigsy2400

I have no issue with the spooky stuff. That’s a part of nature more or less just very unknown generally.

What bugs me is dogma not justified.


The truth often can’t be verbalized to others, only in the lower physical sciences: cause and effect and what we see with our senses.


The great mystery has always been what we don’t perceive with the 5 senses, so naturally, some folks will go towards that...and equate it with the ufo mystery. No big thing.

Its called religion.

As for the future, 2020. I would say forget much reality save the fictional reality dramas on the History channel. We have unidentified, the TTSA docudrama and of course, AA is coming back and last but not least actually a very great fictional drama, Blue Book.

I hope in watching Blue Book people understand its entirely fictional, since Hynek NEVER left his office in real life, as he “investigated” the Blue Book cases, of course, unless he left his body and astro projected all that adventure and alien intrigue shown in the Blue Book series.

Anyway...

May the new year bring all happiness, fulfillment and great things

Joy to the world and peace

And Don’t worry

We’ll figure it out!

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Arbitrageur


A lot of people tend to call actual human beings illegal aliens as well, don't get me started on semantics.

But I don't know how you get "alien" out of unknown human, which doesn't seem to fit any credible theory of evolution I ever heard.

What about the good old ancient aliens perspective with humans from another star system? Mere illegal aliens on this planet or family in a somewhat galactic evolution of sorts?
Furthermore, how can you get the "alien" out of the human anyway, with all that iron from burnt stars in our blood? Red Giants, anyone?

If it's really top secret, the only people who know what it is can't talk about it, so we know nothing about it.

It's even worse. We probably never will know jack**** unless we put an end to this lack of accountability. That's a real issue. He's in the Navy now!

It's not even personal, I have no problem with his account. It's a good thing we have people coming forward, but there is a high possibility of black budget tests being conducted in a training area. Define "not from this world", Fravor! Does a colony on the dark side of the moon count?

but the video isn't of what he saw as far as I can tell, and it certainly doesn't show any evidence of the incredible performance he described, or of being alien.

Agreed. Let's just assume he has a point and saw things we didn't; you wound't crush anyone with those speeds if it's a drone and/ or if it comes with a totally different atmosphere in a sphere of sorts. That's the problem with a pilot's analysis, he naturally tends to see planes with pilots in the sky due to all the experience from his standard encounters.

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