Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: pigsy2400

The later "sightings" don't seem to get much attention which I find curious.

Exactly!!! This is the heart of the matter...

Remember...the "other sightings" Gimbal/Go fast was reported to occur almost EVERYDAY from the summer of 2014 until around March 2015 ...they even reported these sightings after deployment to the middle east.

You do however have two credible witnesses (Lt. Accoin and Lt. Graves) similar to Fravor. The major difference I guess is that witnesses from the 2015 are still active duty, thus less willing to speak out.

Two critical issues that I have with Fravor's account:
1. Why would "aliens" actively jam your radar system....that sounds like a human/terrestrial approach
2. Huge red flag is the cap-point narrative.... again why would "aliens" return to their cap-point

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I have finally figured it out...simply put the zeitgeist is entirely different in the United States.... those from the "land of the Angles" are still stuck in the past.... we have moved beyond old school Ufology.
I will leave it at that.

But actually stuck in 2004 with the Nimitz case, 15 long years ago and the newly chosen Kenneth Arnold.

a reply to: celltypespecific

I guess i can ask then why a media and entertainment company needs five biologists but it doesn't look like you have an answer.

Are biologists that common in intelligence and government work? Zondo was a specialist in pandemics I believe.

I know I just finished reading Stephen Kinzer's Poisoner In Chief about Sidney Gottleib and he was a chemist who worked for intelligence. Not a very nice guy though.

This info will soon be more prominent......

In my opinion:
TTSA made a big error by publishing Bob Lazar's new book....


Others can provide more info on this developing story...

But like I said....TTSA is a Media Company...

Fravor's "Unofficial Official Report" conducted by AATIP

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It seems TTSA is publishing Lazar's Autobiography (Audio version) while it appears a new Delonge publishing arm is producing the hard-copies (Interstellar Books).

The Twitterverse is awash in confusion right now as to whether or not this means TTSA supports Lazar's narrative.

Since Tom is aware of this forum either directly or indirectly this is as good a place as any to ask:
Who was telling the truth regarding craft recovery, Lazar or your RandomGeneral friend from the airport? One says they were archaeology recoveries and the other says they were a by-product of Cold War saber rattling.

Twitter Link

originally posted by: ParticleNode
It seems TTSA is publishing Lazar's Autobiography (Audio version) while it appears a new Delonge publishing arm is producing the hard-copies (Interstellar Books).

The Twitterverse is awash in confusion right now as to whether or not this means TTSA supports Lazar's narrative.

Since Tom is aware of this forum either directly or indirectly this is as good a place as any to ask:
Who was telling the truth regarding craft recovery, Lazar or your RandomGeneral friend from the airport? One says they were archaeology recoveries and the other says they were a by-product of Cold War saber rattling.

Twitter Link

And let us not forget the FRAUD that Bob Lazar is,
Stanton Friedman:

I checked his High School in New York State. He graduated in August, not with his class. The only science course he took was chemistry. He ranked 261 out of 369, which is in the bottom third. There is no way he would have been admitted by MIT or Caltech. An MS in Physics from MIT requires a thesis. No such thesis exists at MIT, and he is not on a commencement list. The notion that the government wiped his CIVILIAN records clean is absurd. I checked with the Legal Counsel at MIT — no way to wipe all his records clean. The Physics department never heard of him and he is not a member of the American Physical Society.

The Bob Lazar Fraud

a reply to: celltypespecific
This maybe relevant in a couple of days based on major breaking news in the works:











When Tyler Rogaway's article drops this week in attempts to explain the "Tic-Tac" the below article might be related...its in regards to "radar spoofing" and "Holographic Projections"





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a reply to: celltypespecific

That sounds like some of the stuff Dr. Robert Duncan talked about.

Go to 26 minutes in here:

We are just so damn lucky to live in a time when men - real leaders- like Tom DeLonge walk the earth. I'll never forget his inspirational words, his late night sermons, because they fill me with - dare I say it - hope:

The United States is the leader, it's doing the majority of the work and it's pushing everybody. We're the first country for the free mind, for the free people. There's a reason. It's because we were the enlightened idea of a people. And that idea spread. We call it democracy, we call it Western civilization. Even on this pretty big ugly deal, America is working for the countries that hate it. We're out there fighting something for them. It's unreal. It's really inspiring... This is how we unify the world. This is how we get young people, in all countries, coming together, and saying, “Hey, I’m not Russian, or American, or Indian. We’re all from the same little planet. We’re humans.”

We are the first country for the free mind, for the free people. We are the mighty!

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: celltypespecific

Usage of holographic projections is something even Vallee toyed with once.

Spoofing radar is relatively easy in all fairness but we cannot say as we don't have access to that information or the radar data.

I also find it interesting that it's all Nimitz this and nimitz that. The later "sightings" don't seem to get much attention which I find curious.

Wasn't there a report about something underwater near the tic tac sighting?

originally posted by: pigsy2400

This isn't anti-grav propulsion guys. Or a tic tac. It is far less sexy, but important."

Cue a TR editorial based on existing theories lifted from ATS, Reddit and Secret Projects.
I guarantee you will have heard this theory postulated before.

ETA:

originally posted by: TheGoondockSaint


Wasn't there a report about something underwater near the tic tac sighting?

Fravor says he saw white water breaking on what looked like a submerged 737 in the shape of a cross.
Playing devils advocate....a few surfers noted that a normally submerged seamount called Cortes Bank near San Clemente can cause white water in certain tidal conditions.

2:40 through 3:40 .....looks weird if you didnt know there was a sea mount.

Meanwhile on the internet

interstellarbooks.com...


whose site is it

a reply to: celltypespecific

How do you think the Lazar book will be a bad move for TTSA?

I’m finding it interesting to see that Tom and the Academy seem to have been sidelined for the time being probably due to his giddiness when he first announced all of this. He’s touring right now which gives me the impression Justice and Semivan probably say him down and said” let us handle press from now on, you go and do what your good at”

Why has this new imprint publisher popped up to put out the Lazar book also?

DeLonge said on his JRE episode “he” was putting it out so why the muted TTSA affiliation?

Maybe Bob isn’t down with the extended message the company puts out?

Does publishing a book about Lazar really mean TTSA endorse his story? Is it failing?

The people who need TTSA to tell them what is what are probably those most likely to believe the Lazar lies.

George Knapp endorses the story doesn't he? That's despite his own failings and sloppy research when it comes to the guy?

According to a number of sources including Rogan....

....Lazar claims that there was a concerted effort by somebody to erase his past. “That was frightening. I think George Knapp was the first one that uncovered that. He saw my birth certificate disappear. There was no record of that. The Los Alamos thing really surprised me.”

Source

In the book “Alien Contact” by Timothy Good, it states: “…When George Knapp contacted the hospital where Lazar says he was born, in Coral Gables, Florida, no records could be found.” In a radio interview on November 17, 1989, George Knapp told Chuck Harder: “We called for his birth records and they had disappeared…as if someone was trying to make him a non-person.”

But CB illustrated this failure about 40 pages back..because

....After Lazar plead guilty to the pandering charge on June 18, 1990 in Las Vegas, the State of Nevada Department of Parole and Probation prepared a “Pre-Sentence Report”. This report provides the court with quite a bit of background data on the defendant to assist in sentencing.

The report was prepared by Joy Mundy-Neal and dated July 27, 1990. Under the heading “Social History”, the report states:

“A certified copy of the defendant’s birth certificate indicates he was born on January 26, 1959 to the union of Albert Lazar and Phyllis Berliner (natural mother); however the defendant reports he was born on January 26, 1959 in Coral Gables, Florida, to unknown parents and was subsequently adopted by Albert Lazar and the former Phyllis Berliner within the first few months of his life“.

Otherhand

That's just one of many things that discredit the story. Highlighting these points also make great psychological experiments to see how much it actually entrenches views with those who believe in the Lazar myth. They can often get creative and make excuses for him that even he hasn't thought up.

a reply to: mirageman

Thank you MM. Really interesting, the kind of stuff that makes one go hmmmm.

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: celltypespecific

That sounds like some of the stuff Dr. Robert Duncan talked about.

Go to 26 minutes in here:

originally posted by: TheGoondockSaint

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: celltypespecific

Usage of holographic projections is something even Vallee toyed with once.

Spoofing radar is relatively easy in all fairness but we cannot say as we don't have access to that information or the radar data.

I also find it interesting that it's all Nimitz this and nimitz that. The later "sightings" don't seem to get much attention which I find curious.

Wasn't there a report about something underwater near the tic tac sighting?

Yes... I was thinking that the device underwater was the machine used to project the Tic-Tac..?

Wasn't there a report about something underwater near the tic tac sighting?

Great you brought his up..... what's actually surprising is that everyone seems to forget or ignore the fact that Fravor's encounter was the SECOND one that day. In the "Executive report" go to page 6. Its entitled "tracking of the water distrubance" this is a completely different encounter from that of Fravor's.

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originally posted by: coursecatalog
We are just so damn lucky to live in a time when men - real leaders- like Tom DeLonge walk the earth. I'll never forget his inspirational words, his late night sermons, because they fill me with - dare I say it - hope:


"The United States is the leader, it's doing the majority of the work and it's pushing everybody. We're the first country for the free mind, for the free people. There's a reason. It's because we were the enlightened idea of a people. And that idea spread. We call it democracy, we call it Western civilization. Even on this pretty big ugly deal, America is working for the countries that hate it. We're out there fighting something for them. It's unreal. It's really inspiring... This is how we unify the world. This is how we get young people, in all countries, coming together, and saying, “Hey, I’m not Russian, or American, or Indian. We’re all from the same little planet. We’re humans.”


We are the first country for the free mind, for the free people. We are the mighty!

Have to say it's all starting to sound a bit 'cultish' mate.

originally posted by: celltypespecific


"Wasn't there a report about something underwater near the tic tac sighting?"



Great you brought his up..... what's actually surprising is that everyone seems to forget or ignore the fact that Fravor's encounter was the SECOND one that day. In the "Executive report" go to page 6. Its entitled "tracking of the water distrubance" this is a completely different encounter from that of Fravor's.

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Plenty of other historical aviation UFO reports of 'water disturbance' mate (especially Goose Bay, Puerto Rico and the Santa Catalina Channel) - this thread's got quite a few buried in it and was put in mind of this description of what seemed like a 'city' on the water (which then resembled a giant halo).

"As we approached this glow it turned to a monstrous circle of white lights on the water. Then we saw a yellow halo, small, much smaller than whatever it was launched from, about 15 miles away. As the UFO approached my plane and flew alongside it, we could see the domed craft which had a corona discharge." 

Commander Graham Bethune, U.S. Navy -sighting from military flying from Iceland to Newfoundland, February 10, 1951. 

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Maybe we need a thread compiling reports of UFOs emerging (or submerging) into the world's oceans and 'water disturbance' incidents - I'd wager there'd be quite a lot.

originally posted by: karl 12


Maybe we need a thread compiling reports of UFOs emerging (or submerging) into the world's oceans and 'water disturbance' incidents - I'd wager there'd be quite a lot.

And HERE it is, Karl - a very useful USO thread by ATSer Skyfloating, listing over a THOUSAND such sightings.

Why USOs are generally forgotten despite being arguably more worthy of investigation than UFOs, is a mystery in itself.