Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

Oh jeez the ice crystals again?

originally posted by: Sublant

originally posted by: Guest101
The Navy has nothing to do with this. All they ever stated is the object in the ATFLIR video could not be identified. They never claimed the ATFLIR video demonstrates ‘otherworldly’ performance.
The claim of ‘otherworldly performance’ is only supported by eye-witness accounts, like it has been for the past 70 years.

US Navy is tasked, and is supposed to be able to, identify everything and anything flying near capital ships and CONUS. And usually they do. A lot of resources and hard work has gone into that.

Now with these videos, and supposedly other sensor data, they can't. My somewhat experienced opinion is, if they can't, no one can. And mind you, when they try to identify these things, they take into consideration everything.

What does that mean? To me it means, we're not in Kansas anymore.

Maybe you’re right. The ‘maybe’ could be settled if the Navy provided their sensor data of the object for scientific evaluation.
Why is that so hard? The Belgian Air Force already set an example almost 30 years ago, during the Belgian wave of (mainly) triangular UFO’s.

(Source of the quotes below: Leslie Kean “UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record”)

According to Major General Wilfried De Brouwer (Ret.):

Of the approximately 2,000 reported cases registered during the Belgian wave, 650 were investigated and more than 500 of them remain unexplained.
The crafts performed in ways not possible by known technology. They were able to remain stationary and hover, even in unusual positions such as vertical and/or banking at 45 degrees or more. They could fly at slow speeds and accelerate extremely fast, faster than any known aircraft, and they remained silent, or made only a very slight noise, even when hovering or accelerating.

After F16’s chased one of the UFO’s, their radar data was shared on national TV on July 11, 1990.

Major General Wilfried De Brouwer (Ret.):

Once aloft, the pilots tried to intercept the alleged crafts, and at one point recorded targets on their radar with unusual behavior, such as jumping huge distances in seconds and accelerating beyond human capacity.
We called a press conference on July 11,1990. I presented one particular radar lock-on that showed extraordinary accelerations well outside the performance envelope of any known aircraft.

But alas:

It turned out that only one F-16 camera had made satisfactory radar recordings. Therefore, we couldn't be sure if the radar echoes were caused by electromagnetic interference or by something unusual.
The conclusion of the [Belgian] Air Force, therefore, was that the evidence was insufficient to prove that there were real crafts in the air on that occasion.

So, why doesn’t the Navy follow this example? If they have multiple sensor data that they can correlate, it will settle the discussion once and for all.

originally posted by: Jukiodone
a reply to: Shere Khaan

Why so glum?

Instead of a top LM guy throwing in an ET slide to liven presentations up- a top LM guy has joined a start up with the specific promise of back engineering an alien spaceship from a metamaterial sample.

Instead of 2 old ladies seeing a UFO on their way back from bingo...you now have a collective of very credible witnesses with supporting telemetric data saying they saw UFO's over multiple engagements.

Instead of having to look at that drawing of an ARV- you can now look at the Navy's actual TR3b patent.

If you are into UFO's /SAPs/Conspiracies etc- there's never been a better time to live.

In the old days we had top military personal stating their concerns, not defense contractors.

It wasn't just old ladies reporting sightings, their have been pilots reports from the 40's and we possibly had more data then since we have none right now with radar confirmation not released.

In the old days we had photos of Nazi saucers that they tried to build; which is better than patents, because they are just rubbish half the time as they don't need to be built or even work to be published. Just look at all the zero point energy patents that don't actually work.

Ufology has never been so full of snake oil sales people and charlatans. Trying to separate the wheat from the chaff is harder than ever.

STEVE JUSTICE speaks about practical use of UAP technology:
Skip to 14 minutes

originally posted by: Guest101

originally posted by: Sublant

originally posted by: Guest101
The Navy has nothing to do with this. All they ever stated is the object in the ATFLIR video could not be identified. They never claimed the ATFLIR video demonstrates ‘otherworldly’ performance.
The claim of ‘otherworldly performance’ is only supported by eye-witness accounts, like it has been for the past 70 years.

US Navy is tasked, and is supposed to be able to, identify everything and anything flying near capital ships and CONUS. And usually they do. A lot of resources and hard work has gone into that.

Now with these videos, and supposedly other sensor data, they can't. My somewhat experienced opinion is, if they can't, no one can. And mind you, when they try to identify these things, they take into consideration everything.

What does that mean? To me it means, we're not in Kansas anymore.

Maybe you’re right. The ‘maybe’ could be settled if the Navy provided their sensor data of the object for scientific evaluation.
Why is that so hard? The Belgian Air Force already set an example almost 30 years ago, during the Belgian wave of (mainly) triangular UFO’s.

(Source of the quotes below: Leslie Kean “UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record”)

According to Major General Wilfried De Brouwer (Ret.):

Of the approximately 2,000 reported cases registered during the Belgian wave, 650 were investigated and more than 500 of them remain unexplained.
The crafts performed in ways not possible by known technology. They were able to remain stationary and hover, even in unusual positions such as vertical and/or banking at 45 degrees or more. They could fly at slow speeds and accelerate extremely fast, faster than any known aircraft, and they remained silent, or made only a very slight noise, even when hovering or accelerating.

After F16’s chased one of the UFO’s, their radar data was shared on national TV on July 11, 1990.

Major General Wilfried De Brouwer (Ret.):

Once aloft, the pilots tried to intercept the alleged crafts, and at one point recorded targets on their radar with unusual behavior, such as jumping huge distances in seconds and accelerating beyond human capacity.
We called a press conference on July 11,1990. I presented one particular radar lock-on that showed extraordinary accelerations well outside the performance envelope of any known aircraft.

But alas:

It turned out that only one F-16 camera had made satisfactory radar recordings. Therefore, we couldn't be sure if the radar echoes were caused by electromagnetic interference or by something unusual.
The conclusion of the [Belgian] Air Force, therefore, was that the evidence was insufficient to prove that there were real crafts in the air on that occasion.

So, why doesn’t the Navy follow this example? If they have multiple sensor data that they can correlate, it will settle the discussion once and for all.

Thanks for posting. Very informative!

a reply to: celltypespecific

Justice believes we will soon be using technology to virtually teleport between locations and this can be used in things such as disaster rescue operations. DeLonge thinks the bad guys could use this tech to teleport nuclear weapons to the White House lawn.

Let's be serious: If such a technology existed, I can't see the government ever allowing it out of the lab.

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: celltypespecific

Justice believes we will soon be using technology to virtually teleport between locations and this can be used in things such as disaster rescue operations. DeLonge thinks the bad guys could use this tech to teleport nuclear weapons to the White House lawn.

Let's be serious: If such a technology existed, I can't see the government ever allowing it out of the lab.

The govt is not the world and worldwide scientific advances cannot be halted. It may be that it's a technology tree that's about to be unlocked in the white world in the next 25 years, if not in the USA then in China or elsewhere.

If it's coming anyway the fact USA had it decades earlier and hid it becomes a lost advantage. In that scenario being first out with it and first to field widely and publicly might be thought the least bad.

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: celltypespecific


Let's be serious: If such a technology existed, I can't see the government ever allowing it out of the lab.

a reply to: justwokeup

Such tech on the street would produce total anarchy. I just don't see it.

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: celltypespecific

Justice believes we will soon be using technology to virtually teleport between locations and this can be used in things such as disaster rescue operations. DeLonge thinks the bad guys could use this tech to teleport nuclear weapons to the White House lawn.

Let's be serious: If such a technology existed, I can't see the government ever allowing it out of the lab.

Good point Coursecatalog...... Thanks for framing it in those terms....
The risk of the tech getting into the "wrong hands" might out weight the potential benefits...?

a reply to: coursecatalog

Disaster and rescue 😂.... Wow...

Not to teleport military personnel no?
I though BigEric already had this covered with his paper on the very same topic?

a reply to: celltypespecific

Do we know why Steve Justice was let go by LM. And moved to work in this rather odd Academy that has no students, no teachers, no workers, little funding to carry out any of its operations but two Directors in Security related matters and a bunch of neuro-scientists standing by for something?

The Skunk Works outlook could dim if Lockheed loses out on the few big programs up for grabs....

Skunk Works officials say they also need to be more open to strategic partnerships, such as those it has with GenCorp unit Aerojet Rocketdyne and Boeing Co, and new business models, such as fee-for-service deals...

Deputy Vice President Steve Justice, who has 30 years with Skunk Works, said its historical focus on speed and affordability was more relevant than ever given the tough budget climate. The proof, he said, came in recent requests from the Navy and others that want to set up similar groups...

Under pressure, Lockheed opens up about secret weapons unit

Did he have a long term membership of the Sacerdotal Knights of National Security too?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: celltypespecific

Do we know why Steve Justice was let go by LM. And moved to work in this rather odd Academy that has no students, no teachers, no workers, little funding to carry out any of its operations but two Directors in Security related matters and a bunch of neuro-scientists standing by for something?

The Skunk Works outlook could dim if Lockheed loses out on the few big programs up for grabs....

Skunk Works officials say they also need to be more open to strategic partnerships, such as those it has with GenCorp unit Aerojet Rocketdyne and Boeing Co, and new business models, such as fee-for-service deals...

Deputy Vice President Steve Justice, who has 30 years with Skunk Works, said its historical focus on speed and affordability was more relevant than ever given the tough budget climate. The proof, he said, came in recent requests from the Navy and others that want to set up similar groups...

Under pressure, Lockheed opens up about secret weapons unit

Did he have a long term membership of the Sacerdotal Knights of National Security too?

www.skinwalkerranch.org...

Interestingly Davis's BB reference pops up in this 2018 forum post? Did this stuff get out before the Medea email leaked?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: celltypespecific

Do we know why Steve Justice was let go by LM. And moved to work in this rather odd Academy that has no students, no teachers, no workers, little funding to carry out any of its operations but two Directors in Security related matters and a bunch of neuro-scientists standing by for something?

The Skunk Works outlook could dim if Lockheed loses out on the few big programs up for grabs....

Skunk Works officials say they also need to be more open to strategic partnerships, such as those it has with GenCorp unit Aerojet Rocketdyne and Boeing Co, and new business models, such as fee-for-service deals...

Deputy Vice President Steve Justice, who has 30 years with Skunk Works, said its historical focus on speed and affordability was more relevant than ever given the tough budget climate. The proof, he said, came in recent requests from the Navy and others that want to set up similar groups...

Under pressure, Lockheed opens up about secret weapons unit

Did he have a long term membership of the Sacerdotal Knights of National Security too?

Interesting article.
FYI..Deputy Vice President Steve Justice was not "let-go" he retired. Maybe TTSA is an example of "recent requests from the Navy and others that want to set up similar groups."

a reply to: celltypespecific

Let's not quibble whether Steve Justice retired or was "forced to retire". Just as we don't really know whether Zondo resigned or took differed [sic] retirement (according to the letter Chris Mellon leaked via his website) or resigned in protest as he claimed.

It's just semantics. As we know "bringing democracy" to various nations with the might of America's war machine is viewed as something else too.

But even you must admit, Steve Justice, has had a very interesting career. He has credibility unlike Gregory Allen Justice of Boeing.

So what is he up to with TTSA?

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: celltypespecific

Do we know why Steve Justice was let go by LM. And moved to work in this rather odd Academy that has no students, no teachers, no workers, little funding to carry out any of its operations but two Directors in Security related matters and a bunch of neuro-scientists standing by for something?

The Skunk Works outlook could dim if Lockheed loses out on the few big programs up for grabs....

Skunk Works officials say they also need to be more open to strategic partnerships, such as those it has with GenCorp unit Aerojet Rocketdyne and Boeing Co, and new business models, such as fee-for-service deals...

Deputy Vice President Steve Justice, who has 30 years with Skunk Works, said its historical focus on speed and affordability was more relevant than ever given the tough budget climate. The proof, he said, came in recent requests from the Navy and others that want to set up similar groups...

Under pressure, Lockheed opens up about secret weapons unit

Did he have a long term membership of the Sacerdotal Knights of National Security too?

www.skinwalkerranch.org...

Interestingly Davis's BB reference pops up in this 2018 forum post? Did this stuff get out before the Medea email leaked?

Isn't that the guy who 'leaked' the MEDEA email in the first place?

originally posted by: mirageman

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: celltypespecific

Do we know why Steve Justice was let go by LM. And moved to work in this rather odd Academy that has no students, no teachers, no workers, little funding to carry out any of its operations but two Directors in Security related matters and a bunch of neuro-scientists standing by for something?

The Skunk Works outlook could dim if Lockheed loses out on the few big programs up for grabs....

Skunk Works officials say they also need to be more open to strategic partnerships, such as those it has with GenCorp unit Aerojet Rocketdyne and Boeing Co, and new business models, such as fee-for-service deals...

Deputy Vice President Steve Justice, who has 30 years with Skunk Works, said its historical focus on speed and affordability was more relevant than ever given the tough budget climate. The proof, he said, came in recent requests from the Navy and others that want to set up similar groups...

Under pressure, Lockheed opens up about secret weapons unit

Did he have a long term membership of the Sacerdotal Knights of National Security too?

www.skinwalkerranch.org...

Interestingly Davis's BB reference pops up in this 2018 forum post? Did this stuff get out before the Medea email leaked?

Isn't that the guy who 'leaked' the MEDEA email in the first place?

So it is!

Description of what's on the longer Tic-Tac video

Skip 4:50

a reply to: celltypespecific

Maybe you should apply for this ..???

www.cia.gov...

It's all about building stability overseas.
All the boys and girls of the 77th Brigade wish you the best of luck with your on-boarding strategies.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: celltypespecific

Maybe you should apply for this ..???

www.cia.gov...

It's all about building stability overseas.
All the boys and girls of the 77th Brigade wish you the best of luck with your on-boarding strategies.

Interesting ...I will take a look