Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

A brief comment on our visitor.

I think he should just start his own thread and exhort his own beliefs in this guy straight up.
It’s a free country with anyone free to believe in whatever.

Anyway. Its crystal clear to me, notwithstanding I hasten to sound dogmatic, that TTSA is a government operation. I mean look at the people in the group ex-IC people all over the place. What else could it be?
Now originally one could have hoped since they are ex-Gubmint they would reveal some exotic and interesting things.

In two years plus?

NOTHING…NOTHING AND MORE OF NOTHING!

So we have to conclude they are up to some ulterior motive.
The burden was always on them.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Guest101

Both good possibilities. But I think Delonge just entered something that was long in operation and was passed around when he went on his secret meetings to be chosen by the ongoing UFO project of the US IC.

ONI, DIA, AFOSI, and the CIA all have connections to the ongoing UFO disinformation operation within the US government IC community
As we see they now all have tentacles to TTSA:

McCasland: AFOSI
Zondo: CIA, DIA, ONI

And we know the other CIA and DIA plants in TTSA:
CIA: Semivan, Puthoff

DIA: Mellon

Defense contractors: Steve Justice


Imagine an image of all these groups with their hooks in Delonge Butt

John Podesta was onboard with DeLonge and he is about as influential as they come in D.C. He is also a true believer - or has been constantly and convincingly faking it for the past 30 years - and worked with TTSA people for a long time. Even while he was campaign chairman for the democratic party nominee for President of the United States of America. That is about as huge as it gets. Squabbling about what exactly was Elizondo's job title at UDS(I), while interesting, is insignificant next to that. Having Podesta in his corner also made it a lot easier to attract or atleast get in touch with, some very serious people. Also people Podesta thought would or could help.

What would have happened had Hillary won, we'll never know, but for damn sure, something was in the works.

Going back to the start....as the song goes...

One aspect that has been bugging me is the academic background of Zondo, specifically;

Elizondo’s academic background includes Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology, with research experience in tropical diseases.

Whether this was just an interest at an academic level or if there was something more to it... I cannot recall us discussing this in much detail to be honest.

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a reply to: Willtell

Very close to the truth, in my opinion, for whatever it's worth. I think it is about the technology, a technology that could destroy our world energy consumption based economy. literally threatening a return to pre-civilization egalitarianism. Yes, it is about money, how to monetize the technology to preserve the world economic order. The current order is dependent on the US Military being the largest and richest organization in the entire world considering their assets and income. Keep in mind, their income of over 700 billion a year is tax free and investor dividend free, pure profit from selling protection. No company in the entire world can begin to compete. Congress attempted to limit their profits from independently selling training for weapons (mostly jets) that were not subject to oversight, to little avail. That said, TTSA appears to be a hoax operation to further monetize the technology and generate threat monies for space protection. Emphasis, these folks are not dummies, they employ some of the brightest scientists in the US. The ONI alone employs more than 2,300 scientists as Hal Putoff stumbles alone to figure out the technology.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

For those that cant access those links in the EU;

here is one where you can;
LINK TO SITE

"The project is called Gateway. NASA wants to have an orbital station above the moon by 2024, and one of the four companies being considered for that station is Bigelow Aerospace in North Las Vegas."

Orbital station above the moon huh! - Considering there could be a secondary "rush to the moon" by many countries for strategic advantage, this is quite interesting.

Dr Colm Kelleher still knocking around I see and in charge of the onboard life support systems;

“One of the things that all of the astronauts that have ever come into this habitat have said to us is that they’re blown away by the actual space. I mean, this is like a very large apartment,” said Dr. Colm Kelleher, Bigelow Aerospace scientist.

Bigelow is against the big boys in the aerospace industry here but I reckon as he will be going for "cheap" that will probably go in his favor, that and previous projects for NASA he has done he has paid for all himself.

At a conference table inside the Olympus, Bigelow, known for playing his cards close to the vest, says NASA has nudged him to be more open about his work. “We’re being pushed to be more overt and show pictures of what we do, and not be so secretive. So, we’re trying to come out of the box,” Bigelow said. Bigelow’s penchant for secrecy stems, in part, from the very real threat of industrial espionage. Elsewhere in the plant, a working version of his latest spacecraft is under construction, but we can only show the mannequin astronauts hovering around it because the technology inside is new and proprietary.

Blair Bigelow, the granddaughter of the company’s founder, stands in front of a future project, the Olympus, an even bigger version of the same expandable technology. The company launched two smaller craft into orbit more than a decade ago. A third version is currently attached to the International Space Station and has exceeded performance expectations. Unlike its competitors, the company developed these craft on its own dime, not federal dollars.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Sacre Bleu...Verdammt...Blimey!



If at first you don't conform with EU data protection laws then just give up. Instead of removing the offending scripts based on IP location.

Anyway ...

Bigelow’s penchant for secrecy stems, in part, from the very real threat of industrial espionage. Elsewhere in the plant, a working version of his latest spacecraft is under construction, but we can only show the mannequin astronauts hovering around it because the technology inside is new and proprietary.

He's obviously built something out of magnesium-zinc-bismuth emulsified with Element 115 by the sound of that. Maybe helped by the aliens right under his nose?

Interesting that Bigelow does not figure in NASA's top 100 contractors.

Kelleher is obviously one Big Bobbylow's trusted lieutenants. Good to see an Irishman leading at the vanguard of this new race into space.

a reply to: mirageman

Sacre Bleu...Verdammt...Blimey!

VPN - change location - Nord- & Südamerika - BÄNG! The Nuland in me screams "Fck the EU."

Interesting that Bigelow does not figure in NASA's top 100 contractors.

With all this secret space program nonsense going on, I'd doubt NASA is one of the top 100 space-agencies at this point. They wouldn't have to mention Kazakhstan on their blog if that would be the case, amirite?

With regard to MM's recent question about whether TTSA was a sloppy combination of two politically conflicting disclosure initiatives forced together, I found this early 2016 article interesting (I apologize if it has come up before):

Bigelow Boss Deletes His First Tweet - A Donald Trump Shoutout.

Here is the tweet he deleted and then later tweeted again (keep in mind this is his very first tweet after creating his account and this is January 2016 - 11 months before the presidential election):

“What this country needs is an inspirational space program. l’ll bet @realDonaldTrump could do it,”

Bigelow deleted the tweet several hours later, replacing it with a retweet from the official Bigelow Aerospace account of an illustration of one of the company’s proposed expandable habitat modules.

(Snip)

Two days after deleting his Trump tweet, Bigelow put it back up, along with some additional explanation of why he thinks Trump would be good for space.

What this country needs is an inspirational space program. I’ll bet @realDonaldTrump could do it.

— Robert T. Bigelow (@RobertTBigelow) January 11, 2016

For a sustained lunar presence, intelligent business operation of trade and commerce is key.

— Robert T. Bigelow (@RobertTBigelow) January 11, 2016

Which presidential leader or leaders qualify?

— Robert T. Bigelow (@RobertTBigelow) January 11, 2016

I don’t go for the Hillary Clinton secret UFO agenda.

It’s just that her campaign manager, who btw did a terrible job as such, was into UFOs. No big thing.

I personally believe people are making something out of nothing. Hillary just went along with Podesta’s little UFO project in name only.

The theory that she would have exposed this or that I see no evidence of at all. I don't care what she said on a talk show.

So, Podesta and TDL had contact; that proves nothing. Only that he wanted to be close to someone he thought would be close to the expected president.


For TDL, that merely would have been another name to drop and associate with TTSA.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

VPN - change location - Nord- & Südamerika - BÄNG! The Nuland in me screams "Fck the EU."

Ya it's easier to save to the Wayback machine. Then everyone else can see it without getting techie. The EU laws are there to protect against collection and exploitation of large amounts of personal data.

With all this secret space program nonsense going on, I'd doubt NASA is one of the top 100 space-agencies at this point. They wouldn't have to mention Kazakhstan on their blog if that would be the case, amirite?

As my point was about Bigleow not being one of NASA's top 100 contractors then what exactly are you talking about here?

NASA is the largest Space Research organisation in the world

See : www.rankred.com...

originally posted by: Willtell
I don’t go for the Hillary Clinton secret UFO agenda.

It’s just that her campaign manager, who btw did a terrible job as such, was into UFOs. No big thing.

I personally believe people are making something out of nothing. Hillary just went along with Podesta’s little UFO project in name only.

The theory that she would have exposed this or that I see no evidence of at all. I don't care what she said on a talk show.

So, Podesta and TDL had contact; that proves nothing. Only that he wanted to be close to someone he thought would be close to the expected president.


For TDL, that merely would have been another name to drop and associate with TTSA.

Campaign chairman, actually.

Hillary - while running for president - spoke about UFO/UAP on at least three different occasions. That is a big deal. Her campaign was a billion dollar operation with dozens of speechwriters, focus groups, ad men, pollsters and sociologists and psychologists crafting the messaging and this is something they went out of their way to talk about.

Was it the right move politically? Perhaps not. And yet they did it anyway.


We'll never know, but there was a very good chance Podesta would have been AG, had Hillary won. TTSA would've had "their man" running the Justice Department. No big deal...

a reply to: Sublant


Anything is possible…

But all of that entails a belief there’s something to disclose. I personally think the only thing the US government can disclose is that they are ignorant of UFOs, as ignorant as we are.


And what good is it to speculate on something that didn’t happen and if it would have happened something would have occurred to be favorable to UFO information.

Like you say we'll never know.


Also, the lore is that every time a president, not an aid, a president, asked to be briefed on UFOs they tell him...back-off...its on a need to know basis.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Sublant


Anything is possible…

But all of that entails a belief there’s something to disclose. I personally think the only thing the US government can disclose is that they are ignorant of UFOs, as ignorant as we are.

John Podesta thinks there is something to disclose. He has said so publicly. That is the premise he was working from while campaign chairman.

BTW, Hillary knew all this, and made John her campaign chairman.

originally posted by: Sublant

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Sublant


Anything is possible…

But all of that entails a belief there’s something to disclose. I personally think the only thing the US government can disclose is that they are ignorant of UFOs, as ignorant as we are.

John Podesta thinks there is something to disclose. He has said so publicly. That is the premise he was working from while campaign chairman.

BTW, Hillary knew all this, and made John her campaign chairman.

The only credence I can give this is that the aliens don’t want to even deal with Trump!

Now that I could believe!

a reply to: Sublant

In response to both you and Will. I was merely posing the question earlier on in the thread...

Was the original NY Times story meant to announce a new Democrat initiative to study UFOs? Their Project Blue Book II?

All timed for the weekend of the 48th anniversary of the official end of the original Project Blue Book? But then the Republicans won the election and perhaps a desperate Plan B was sprung into action during 2017.

It's something I don't have an answer to. Maybe I was "making something out of nothing" as Will says.

But we know Mellon was working with Leslie Kean at UFOData long before the TTSA announcement and back in 2015 was tasked with

....writing an op-ed [in the NY Times] calling for release of files and a new government project on UFOs

DeLonge was obviously courting Podesta for some form of approval for his multimedia plans. But Leslie Kean's interview with Chris Mellon seemed to indicate they were looking for a more sober study of the UFO subject and were not aware of the DeLonge shenanigans. Or maybe they were but felt they had the better plan. Perhaps they had no plan at all?

I just find it odd that Mellon ends up on stage as part of TTSA in October of 2017.

a reply to: mirageman


No, I wasn’t even responding to your post.

I was talking solely about the Hillary Clinton UFO theory.


I totally see them doing that, getting close to people in power. That’s what they did and do.

Indeed, they may have opened up Ufology to examination more if Hillary was elected but my point is that that wouldn’t bring any significant disclosure beyond what they did disclose.

That is to finally to admit UFOs are real.

They would have done that IMO with or without Hillary

Wouldn't it be brilliant if Trump won a second term on a promise of Alien disclosure..... And then delivered the "truth"
If Trump is truly (Hans free) a lone wolf and God complexed out his orange head would he just love to be the POTUS who delivered the greatest secret in history.
But nah he's controller by hiiden hands is probably more likely, not certain but I swing to secret controllers..... Bloodlines and the likes pulling all the occult strings

To elaborate further…

I’ve said this before, in an odd twist, TTSA has made a disclosure. Sort of like a known philanderer one day admits to his hapless wife what she already knew: honey, I have committed adultery.

So, this government-sponsored UFO cabal has disclosed to the world that the government believes in UFOs.


That’s about all the disclosure, I believe, we’ll ever get.


Maybe some will say, if Hillary would have won then we’d have gotten the real deep stuff.

That’s what I don’t buy.

Of course, as I’ve always said, anything is possible in this unknown sphere.

a reply to: Willtell


I have no idea how Hillary would have handled UFOs as president but it is clear that she had a pretty strong background in the subject if you look into her deep involvement with the Rockefeller Initiative when she was First Lady. She was pretty much the White House point person on that whole deal.

Now admittedly that could have been simply an effort to keep a wealthy and powerful UFO Nut like Rockefeller happy but that's not usually under the duties of the First Lady. If you believe info that Grant Cameron dug up then Hillary actually helped write and signed off on the UFO briefing docs that came out of that project.

I think she wasn't just dabbling.

Again, that doesn't mean things would have been any different had she won the election.




Edit: Errr,,.. I mean when it comes to UFOs that is.