Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: celltypespecific

So you have come to visit us bearing gifts or about to.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: Baablacksheep

Big news is about to break.......

I can't give a specific time-frame.... Yes and I am somewhat psychic...

No offense, but this teasing "I know something" BS is getting old. Either deliver the goods, or stop with it. Not just specific to you, but in the entire UFO, Skinwalker ranch etc topics. People need to put up or shut up

a reply to: vlawde
Celltypespecific has hit it on the money before.

Not to mention big occult dates coming up
3, 6 and 9

a reply to: vlawde

It's straight out of the TTSA rule book about announcing, forthcoming announcements of what they are going to announce sometime in the future. Yet produce little of substance. Well except to their fanboys and girls who don't realise that "gullible" is not even a word in the Oxford dictionary.

Two years down the line.

1) Lue DeLondo's main message is the US Gov. has no idea what UFO/UAPs are. His brother Tom DeLondo meanwhile once had different ideas and expressed them

2) Three unconvincing videos of something, illegally branded with TTSA logos.

3) Claims about mysterious meta materials that EarthTech (owned by Hoff) was supposedly contracted with (by Hoff) for testing almost a year ago have produced nothing newsworthy.

4) Previous claims Lue DeLondo was the Head of a UFO Program called AATIP.



But he knows absolutely nothing at all about anything of the history of UFOs some ten years after he supposedly headed that program. That's embarrassing and maybe why he had to walk away. He had learned nothing and forgotten nothing in the process.

Plus instead of vociferously trying to substantiate previous claims he headed up AATIP, TTSA have instead now reduced Lue to the Program Element Manager.. Which throws a lot of doubt as to what exactly AATIP was. If it even existed in any official capacity at all. If I was making an educated guess I think AATIP was a secret unfunded project dreamed up with people within BAASS.

Meanwhile long since then TTSA have claimed the US Navy changed their policy towards reporting of UFOs due to their endeavours.

However the recent FOIA documents suggest that whatever TTSA claimed, that unless the Navy are lying, or TTSA are in fact an entity of the US government, this was not true.



Let's face it Lord Chris of Mellon could invest heavily in TTSA if he thought it was going to achieve a worthwhile end product. Yeh! we know he doesn't need the money. But if he doesn't need the money then what's the problem throwing some of his banking millions into the mix?

There are a lot of contradictory things going on with this organisation. But bringing up these points annoys the TTSA fanbase.

a reply to: vlawde

There would be no UFO industry if it was not for the little teasers here and there.

So much does not make sense.

Again, TTSA has not prepared people for anything. They've dug up a bunch of Classic UFO stories and put a slightly new twist on them. Their messaging is all over the map from Tom's magical interdimensional Ultraterrestials gods theories to Mellon's much more guarded statements hinting at private sector experimental aircraft.

No matter what they ultimately reveal half the people will go "That's it?" and the other half will go "What the #?"

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Also, does this remind anyone of anything? Is this another attempt to get a video out a la Final Theory?

Friend in the Navy Told Me About FLIR UFO Footage

The Guardian have coverage of TDL/TTSA Unidentified Show which is due to air in the UK soon.

Here are some of my favourite excerpts from the article and I think demonstrates the difference in UK/US reporting;

There are two things about Unidentified (Monday 9 September, 9pm, History Channel) that we have to confront. One, Tom DeLonge is barely in it. His role, as best I can tell, is a sort of silent on-screen financier, who has put together a crack team of former Pentagon operatives who all got fired from the government for believing in aliens too much, and occasionally they convene at DeLonge’s California mansion and read things off notepads. DeLonge occasionally sits in on a car-ride or nods wide-eyed during an interrogation (always wearing a hat with a piece of tape obscuring the logo), but that is about the depth of his involvement.

Unidentified mainly follows Luis Elizondo, a former Pentagon worker who headed up the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, a man who hauls a backpack into every social interaction and whose energy lands somewhere between “disgraced former pro wrestler” and “aggressive new stepdad who keeps giving you obtuse chores to prove your manhood”.

Reminded me of this;

It’s also absolutely soaked in Doomsday Prepper energy (I cannot prove it but everyone in this documentary has a bunker full of dehydrated beef meals for when the apocalypse comes), but in an oddly charming way. Like, yes: you do imagine a roomful of government staff are watching this in a triple-locked panic room in the heart of Area 51, laughing their well-informed heads off. But for the rest of us: does it really hurt to question our reality?

Source
Source Article - The Guardian

TDL, according to the internet, has a net worth of 80 mil.
He could bankroll this all by himself in a blink 182 of an eye of Horus!

a reply to: Willtell

People with alot of money usually don't like spending it, thats why they usually keep alot of it, if they want to buy/invest in something, spend someone else's money! Less risk..

Ya know, with "shares" that have no intrinsic value, have no return and can't be sold!

I can't judge whose more moronic, TTSA for selling them or those that are actually buying them!

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Yeah, he’s not a Bigelow with almost a billion he’s just got 80 million.

But he can put in a couple of mil if he has 80. And also buy Zondo a new wardrobe and a new knapsack.

And then somebody mentioned Mellon, another word for money.

a reply to: Willtell

Well there's been murmurs that TDL will be replace whilst he goes and does his "Rockstar" thing. Why this rumor was started is not entirely clear bit there are some negative press in the US now that appear to be targeting TDL as the weak link which is an interesting development

One issue on the problematic front is that TTSA's founder, former Blink-182 star Tom DeLonge, is less bound to the data than his colleagues. This undercuts DeLonge's better work and that of TTSA's impressive leadership team

While DeLonge deserves praise for getting his team together and for bringing the issue into the public space, he sometimes loses focus on TTSA's mission. When, for example, DeLonge connects the mythological city of Atlantis to UFOs, he casts into doubt everything else he says. 

Washington Examiner - See source for full Article;
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a reply to: pigsy2400

That Guardian article is a hoot.

Wait until the TTSA fanboys get a load of that.

"How could you be so mean about a government sponsored psy-op that vacuums up money from gullible misfits seeking enlightenment?"

a reply to: pigsy2400

Thanks for the article.

Good article but a little superficial. TTSA, he keeps saying is doing good work. What good work?

So TDL talks about Greek gods and Atlantis and then goes into an intelligent synopsis of physics phenomenon. So he can walk and chew gum. Sure, he’s intelligent but that’s not TTSAs problem.

TTSA, I repeat again, has done a good service in that they are as representing the lying as the government has finally admitted that UFOs are real.

To me, that’s the extent of their contribution so far.

And maybe that’s a good thing overall.

Another comment.
As per that article's headline.

The Blink-182 guy is failing to persuade people about UFOs

IMO, if this is true; he wouldn’t be fired but given a raise and patted on the back. This mainstream writer looks at this group as if it’s a legit organization.
If it’s legit then it’s incompetent. But I believe they have ulterior motives

And on another level...These UAPs as they call them to me are an extremely challenging phenomenon to understand.

That’s what groups like TTSA and other traditional UFO groups always neglect to impart to people.

The utter almost impossibility of penetrating what this phenomenon is all about.

The modern “civilized” society is so used to the concept that science can find out anything if it applies itself to it.

But maybe on a philosophical level, this phenomenon is telling us that NO, science cannot penetrate everything.

Science is limited by something outside of our practical knowledge and experience.

a reply to: Willtell

Ok, this isn't aimed directly at you WillTell, I know we can have civil discourse about this, but uses part of your post which I have always found perplexing as others say it all the time in relation to what TTSA and others have achieved and maybe I'm being too literal here;

"ufos are real" and/or "the USG has admitted that ufos are real"

If I see something in the sky and it's flying and I don't know what it is...it's an Unidentified Flying Object. I have seen something many years ago and I didn't and still don't know what it is. I have no further data to analyse or present to examine and come to a conclusion.

Any government that states that have monitored /recorded/intercepted UFOS is as my statement above states, it's Unidentified, it's flying and it's an object.

Of course the armed services / military are going to see things they cannot identify...doesn't mean iys "alien" it's as the acronym suggests; Unidentified.

If the USG admitted they see things and they don't know what they are, people observing that comment will conclude what they believe it is, by their own pre-existing bias states it is, based in belief.

"Belief" really is the crux of ufology, there are mountains of belief out there...evidence? Grains of sand.

TTSA is doing important work. But when you're trying to persuade people that UFOs are a real issue, public credibility is crucial. TTSA should be more open and DeLonge more careful with what he says.

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It seems the downhill ride has started and if tdl dosent deliver something substantial soon,ufology will be left worse for wear. Something that was expected to be honest by many of us here.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Me also. No idea what I saw. (As opposed to "I know what I saw", remember that piece of garbage?)

Unidentified Arial Phenomenon, due primarily to insufficient data.

I think the stories about Tom standing down stemmed from the original SEC filings that list him as:

President and Interim Chief Executive Officer

With the added caveat...

*We anticipate hiring as necessary to grow the business. In particular, we are looking for a Chief Executive Officer at TTS AAS to take over from Tom DeLonge.

But even though that was clear from the start not many people actually looked through the filings.

a reply to: pigsy2400


Granted, UFOs as a literal term is merely the fact of something being unidentified in terms of conventional knowledge versus the unknown.

But, you know people rarely understand that reality and literal understanding is often different because certain things, in reality, are precisely defined by subtleties and nuances that can’t always be identified in terms of the literal or conventional.

So, when we say or I say, the government finally recognizes that UFOs are real, I mean the truly unidentified phenomenal “UAPs” that are perceived as extraordinarily complex, unknown, and outside the conventional understanding, and has been perceived physically with the human perceptive capacity
(Human eyes) that’s what I am referring to, not a generic fact of something literally unidentified.

Indeed, that may include a level of faith in the real possibility that these UFOs are something extraterrestrial or even Interdimensional.

The above more precise identification of UFOs, versus the past where the government rarely if ever admitted to these above very pertinent subtleties in defining UFOs.

This can be easily seen in the way the blue book investigation was carried out. They would announce prominently the incidences that were easily identified as a weather balloon, or some conventional phenomenon.

But when the real juicy cases where the witnesses and the investigators were baffled by the extraordinary sight of the phenomenon, where they had a certain physical ID of this extraordinary event, the Air force would not only downplay this but would often suppress it.

So, when we say the government finally accepts UFOs, it’s that kind of phenomenon I'm talking about.

TTSA, even with all their faults, has followed this more realistic path of understanding.