Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: The GUT

That's the thing I don't get, to who? A few millenials that follow TDL on instagram? No-one else is really paying attention to TTSA really...

The only people paying any real attention know it's nonsense...

TTSAs target audience has always baffled me...or its just a payday for the old esalen crew so they can carry on with their weirdness..

a reply to: humanoidlord

Not sure. Would have been in the 90s involving three people...I could try following up in person if we can pin it down.

(also if you could send me a few of these cases, I’d appreciate it )

a reply to: pigsy2400

I believe they are targeting the larger part of society either under directive or at least with the blessing of the IC. The unprecedented (ufologically speaking) MSM push would seem to lend credence to that. An attempt to legitimize the subject for something coming down the road.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

ufologie.patrickgross.org...
the CE3 from far away one, there are more, but they are all around the web

a reply to: The GUT

The thing that I am waiting for is some kind of "sucker punch" that will sell us this carefully orchestrated package. As of now, there is a lot of putting pieces in place, building the message, while virtually inviting critical comments and ridicule.

They are not doing such a great job with the evidence part. So what would happen if, after carefully reinforcing their views and packaging, they suddenly do produce something spectacular? Either real, or so well faked no one would be able to find out?

Will the people then say "ok, but this does not mean you have all the answers, or that you are being completely honest"?

Or would they say "these guys were right all along, and now they have shown us the truth, finally, yeah, those critics were sooo wrong... go tom... go USA.."

Will the "New Truth" be swallowed whole, critical voices ignored in the light of the long awaited "definitive evidence" that is unassailable?

This kind of nags me.. I don't know why..

a reply to: humanoidlord

Nothing from the 1990s tho? The old MUFOn hands might know but Im not sure how to track down....

a reply to: humanoidlord


One thing’s for sure any blog that put a GIANT PICTURE OF Doty’ s mug has serious problems.

And then I read this and understand…
www.the-unidentified.net...

Despite the ignorance ‘grumpy-ness’ of some people on Facebook who are ‘not in the know’, the truth is that TTSA are working with governments around the world for the benefit of mankind and not from some crazy cabal conspiracy. No room for ‘Grumpysaurus’, in this ‘government backing’ new paradigm.

he ADAM project has revealed breakthrough results, meaning that they have independently(?) analysed and found exotic material. Exotic – material which is very difficult if not impossible to create by today’s standards.
–They have seemingly partnered with a defense aerospace company.
-They have partnered with international counties.
-Program plans completed for ‘beamed energy propulsion’ and ‘space time metric’.
-New advisor introduced who has links to the executive branches of the US government.
-Announcement coming on TV series.

That is a good and contrasting perspective against the silly claims that TTSA are failing. We see here from Tom’s update that things are about to take off. I personally believe they are holding off, potentially something is coming in March/April which would enhance anything that TTSA are doing. The interviews LE have given recently suggest #Confirmation is about to be pushed.

The last year was never about disclosure, it was about a transfer of information and re-structure within the depths of the US government. Such a process would allow for the DOD to finally break new territory, aiding national security instead of disabling it. There is a very serious potential threat flying around with impunity, doing whatever not wants to whoever it wants, arguably. The efforts of TTSA and others should be applauded and supported.

So according to this TTSA has some big revelation ahead, maybe in March or April


Of what year I wonder?

originally posted by: The GUT
This might be a good time to revisit Pilkington's work and assertions. It seems most of us here realize we're being herded to either a conclusion or some kind of "reveal."

Slide 24 ‘Gambits of Deception’ lays out the building blocks of a classic Mirage Men-style deception operation, whereby all the elements of attention, perception, content, affect and behaviour modification can be shaped and steered. These are the magician’s secret weapons; as the card reads, in order to obtain their desired outcome the successful illusionist will need to “control attention / mask & mimic / exploit prior beliefs / create cognitive stress (and then) channel behaviour”.

Mirage Men Revealed By Greenwald?

Interesting that Magician John Mulholland makes one of the slides. He's the guy that Frank Olsen was taken to shortly before his death.

I'm loving the emails - it's like reading a trashy novel, quite addictive and the above does indeed accompany it well.

From: "Green, Christopher" Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:03:01 -0400To: Victor Martinez , Bill Ryan Cc: Hal Puthoff , RICK DOTY Subject: QuestionVictor and Bill:

I just got this. It is evil. I note that Hal, myself, and Rick got it. You two did not. I don't know who besides the two of you know that Hal, myself, and Rick are working an issue together on Serpo (with the two of you...who are mysteriously missing from the addressee line.) No one else...ever in the entire period has ever sent a note like this linking specifically the three of us, and just the three of us. Not even Sarfatti knows, or Dan, or Collins, or WJ. Until now, maybe. Do either of you know who the sick puppy is? Or, what he thinks he knows? Or whether he is going to do what he promises? He (or she) is obviously delusional...as well as stupid and likely intoxicated...it has that form...because I can tell from the header information I could figure out who he is, by name, address, phone number, and more in 10 minutes if I were to ask my Internet Security Officer to find out...and I bet Rick has already so done!

But I give you two a chance: who is he/she, and did either of you give out our names? That 'ole WW II saw was right: "Loose lips sink ships."

From: Green, Christopher [cgreen@xxxxxxxxxxxx]Sent: 03 May 2006 16:30To: RICK DOTY; victorgm@xxxxxxxxxxxCc: Puthoff@xxxxxxxxxxxx; [email protected]: RE: Tacitus Monroe

I do not know a THING about Tacitus for 100% concerning his identity, or exactly what he has. I shouldn't write declarative statements, but I am too busy to put in qualifiers.Here is my deal: 100% of what I say about Tacitus I have reason to believe, but I am far from certain.I will say I am certain when I am...and promise to use the word "certain" to convey to the Team of Five that I have veridical evidence.I will NOT use the word "certain" for just my opinion...but I may say I am "sure." But I won't say sure and certain without veridical data at my hand.I will not share the data. I expect strongly you know why.

Here is what I am CERTAIN about:

1. He is great writer: clear, unambiguous, uses spell-check and grammar-check, and writes LIKE a very few persons with whom we have corresponded. He does NOT use any OUR stylistic cutsey-tootsie affectations in writing. He writes better than Rick, Kit, Hal, and(usually) Victor. But Victor and Bill could be Tacitus, but I don't think so. My IT people also think he is MUCH more proficient in IT than any of us in the past...including Rick. That originally led me to think it was WJ or one of WJ's World. FWIW...Tacitus abjectly denies he is WJ, or connected to WJ, or connected to anyone who is connected to WJ.

2. Nothing he has said is not openly available on the SERPO for a or web sites...yet. He is sure and certain Bill did not meet Paul, or at least the real Paul. He seems to know everything...and I mean everything...that Bill has ever claimed about Paul, INCLUDING his original and later many changes in his story and the details of the meeting. He attributes the waffling to Rick as the PupetMaster.

3. He professes to be insulted at the hoax.

Dr Green seems particularly proficient at steering.



Cheers

a reply to: 1ofthe9

hmmm, no, the big ones are from the 70's period

a reply to: Willtell

One thing’s for sure any blog that put a GIANT PICTURE OF Doty’ s mug has serious problems.

or is putting out hints

a reply to: beetee

I don’t know what they're doing. The secret boys over the years certainly have failed to suppress interest in Ufology. Of course, maybe that’s the point. It's always easy to hide something in plain sight when you foster many kinds of beliefs in something.

My take has always been that the government rather than suppressing UFO interest were actually stirring it up in many directions. Also, building certain areas up and then taking them down.
In this case, TTSA, we forget, has a negative view of the supposed alien UFO phenomenon. You wonder then the distraction of Levenda’s book. Misdirection perhaps.

And then its always next week we’ll have something or next month. Now some us know from experience that that’s a fundamental tactic of a con man.

Will the "New Truth" be swallowed whole, critical voices ignored in the light of the long awaited "definitive evidence" that is unassailable?

Like exactly what? Anything they come up with does not justify the distortions TDL espoused before they created this group.
And even if they do come up with something, which I seriously doubt they will, and it is " definitive", then fine, so what we criticized them. Truth is truth and if they have it good, people really interested in truth have little concerns about recriminations regarding criticism.

or is putting out hints

I take it you mean hints that TTSA is an organized multi-version of Richard Doty. Now that’s a very possible possibility!

Reading the recent keel collection The Big Breakthrough - Keel is writing to Jerome Clark concerned Vallee is working for...someone (back in 67). Interesting.

a reply to: Willtell

bingo!

a reply to: Willtell

Like exactly what? Anything they come up with does not justify the distortions TDL espoused before they created this group. 
And even if they do come up with something, which I seriously doubt they will, and it is " definitive", then fine, so what we criticized them.

Well, I cannot seem to forget there was talk of a lot more videos a while back. Lots. The videos we have so far seen are almost deceptively underwhelming. And also cut down to snippets?

I can't shake the feeling they are almost inviting critics.. Luring them out, even.

Maybe I overestimate the ICs cunning...

I can see why you are sceptical they will produce anything spectacular after all this.

But it is interesting you say "so what we criticized them" in the past tense. This is my worry, that if they have some aces up their sleeve, will we still be critical of all of their entangled narratives?

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout

Dr Green seems particularly proficient at steering.

Glad you are enjoying them and I see you are keying right in. Been waiting for some sharp ones to give them a looksee and comment. The emails pretty much totally refute Kit's public assertions about what his role was in SERPO.

Please post any more that you find interesting as you dig through them!

originally posted by: beetee

Maybe they were saving those videos for their TV show? Or using them to get their own show. That is if they exist.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

He wasn't the only one thinking that..

a reply to: pigsy2400

Who else?

*cough paul bennewitz computer cough*

a reply to: The GUT

Well, i don't know, and it really is possible there are no more videos.

It just nags me that if you want to spring a surprise in order to catch the opposition off guard and roll over it, you first make sure to draw him out and make sure he is fully committed.

Then you make your move.

I guess I worry about an agenda where half truths and lies will be swallowed whole, if the bait is juicy enough

That' s how new paradigms are born.

I am already catching a whiff of roses, when TTSA speak of their hard working friends in the murky stovepipes of government.