Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: 1ofthe9

I don't know. Others may be better informed.

Sorry...

a reply to: beetee

I am not sure Vallée was ever a part of TTSA. Although he seems to have been with the supporting cast at one time.

Nolan stepped off the TTSA bus on Aug 31st 2018. He gave a carefully worded statement as below

I had a number of conflicts of interest with my current employment agreement at Stanford and with other, purely conventional, mainstream business interests. I remain fully supportive of the goals and ideals of TTSA. I plan to advise them as needed-- while remaining under no long-standing contractual framework. Of course, I might from time to time enter into a short term CDA on matters that arise, especially with respect to my academic scientific interests and where I might be able to provide relevant expertise.

As I see it, this is more in alignment with my academic work and will (hopefully) ensure I maintain maximum credibility on matters related to the Phenomena. This should eliminate any financial or other conflicts vis-à-vis TTSA in how I discuss such matters. I certainly look forward to the continued success of the TTSA enterprise and I remain good friends with, and a colleague of, all the individuals on the TTSA team. As you know, I am one of the few "mainstream" scientists willing to openly discuss matters related to this area of interest, and I expect to continue my public, and private, interest in the arena.

See : UFO Trail for full details

Although reading that he seems open to riding to moo moo land again if asked.

a reply to: mirageman

Hey,

I'm new here so I accept you wondering about the aims of my post. Have read American Cosmic recently though and ran a search for Pasulka to see what was being said about her here, after liking the book a lot. One thing that sticks in my head after reading several posts where she's mentioned, is you called her Lady Di, etc, and I think one post had you saying that you'd not read her book?

I find this confusing to be honest so I'm wondering what it is that you have against her. She devotes a good part of her book to being skeptical of the way the media seems to be conditioning people to believe in UFO's and even though there's some big claims regarding artifacts and scientists she doesn't seem to be pushing anything and has even deleted her twitter account not so long back.

So is it just that you find her claims regarding the artifacts and the scientists odd and that you think those scientists should speak out publically, or is there something else? I can get that you think TTSA is a load of crap and that's maybe down to a fair amount of problems they've been having, many of them self caused by the looks of it, but I can't get my head around why Pasulka deserves ridicule.

originally posted by: NewArcadian
...She devotes a good part of her book to being skeptical of the way the media seems to be conditioning people to believe in UFO's and even though there's some big claims regarding artifacts and scientists she doesn't seem to be pushing anything and has even deleted her twitter account not so long back.

Welcome aboard, NA. Look forward to your future contributions if you like it here enough to stick around.

I missed most of the discussion on Ms. Pasulka so I don't have an opinion on her work but I did add American Cosmic to my Kindle que.

I find the above interesting---did she have any guesses or conclusion on why the conditioning? Did she attribute any of that conditioning as coming from the intelligence community or just the media?

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: The GUT

Well we haven't had any trolls for a while GUT, we are overdue by my reckoning...
the last few have actually been quite entertaining in a twisted kind of way

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a reply to: pigsy2400

Lol. Maybe, maybe not. You learn more if you don't let on right away is my general approach. And, yes, they are entertaining as heck!

originally posted by: The GUT
Welcome aboard, NA. Look forward to your future contributions if you like it here enough to stick around.

I missed most of the discussion on Ms. Pasulka so I don't have an opinion on her work but I did add American Cosmic to my Kindle que.

I find the above interesting---did she have any guesses or conclusion on why the conditioning? Did she attribute any of that conditioning as coming from the intelligence community or just the media?

Hey,

I said I was "new here" because I thought that being my first post would just get pointed out anyway if someone was going to start having a go, but I have been on here in the past. It was around the time of 2012 with all the chaos going on related to that, I can't remember the account details properly though and thought I'd start over. Can just log in via gmail now too so that's easier. I don't really have any plans on posting much anyway because with this being a subject that we have very little evidence to go on I don't often feel like there's much to discuss most of the time and prefer reading/learning instead. In the past I'd post here a fair bit but that was more from a "believer" point of view and I don't think much of that was worthwhile. Am more balanced on the subject now, maybe reading some Vallee and becoming more skeptical with so much crap going around has helped with that.

I can't recall Pasulka having any big conclusions on the conditioning part, but I can go back over that soon and post back if I see anything that seems significant. I think she might also be siding with Vallee too though with this aspect and basically just going over the control system view in her own way. Of course he makes sure not to try and conclude anything without enough evidence and I think Pasulka is following that line too.

And pigsy2400, I'm not a troll so you don't have to worry about that. I do find that people can be overly critical though on here and personally don't agree that Pasulka should be lumped in with so many of the people in this field that don't really have good intentions. This is a subject that interests me more than most others and I know that it's had repeated hordes of trolls causing problems and confusion over the years, so I've no desire at all to add to any of that.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Am gonna guess that you don't think too highly of Pasulka either after reading this earlier : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Fair enough though, I'm not out to try and crusade on her behalf, I'd just get accused of being a Pasulka troll or something anyway with this account being new! I do find it odd though because after reading her book I didn't have any big issues with it.

One thing I do share with some of you though is that I would like the scientists to come forward with those artifacts as a group if they have something. That could be a world changing thing, but when they're concerned about their jobs, reputations, safety, etc, (if they do actually have something) I suppose it's not going to be so easy. Hopefully in time we'll know more of that anyway. Because that hasn't happened though I can understand why some here are skeptical given some of the fraudsters we've had to deal with over the years.

I can accept that maybe this whole thing is another load of BS too, am preferring not to judge though on this one, and surely if there is anything going on there's going to be top scientists studying this properly but making sure to stay behind the scenes so to speak, as it's obvious that they could lose their jobs and be open to tons of ridicule with the way things currently stand.

a reply to: NewArcadian

Thanks for the input. I just downloaded the book and am about to dig in. It actually sounds like a worthwhile read for a few reasons.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: NewArcadian

Thanks for the input.

I just downloaded the book and am about to dig in. It actually sounds like a worthwhile read for a few reasons.

Awesome, hope you like it! If you want to check the stuff about conditioning have just been reading through some of it again and I think the main part is in chapter 4 - When Star Wars Became Real : The Mechanisms of Belief.

a reply to: NewArcadian

Welcome... your contributions are appreciated!

Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open...

(...and your shields up!)

Yeah, that guy was hilarious! He fooled me for a second and GUT pulled my coat to him.
He left and came back as some crazy woman complaining about my pornographic posts

a reply to: NewArcadian

MS Pasulka is alright, I’m reading her book now, not bad. The beginning was the best part.

She goes into a little too much standard fair about psycho stuff that to all of us old-timers is old hat. The book also lacks focus IMO.

She a little wet behind the ears but is a smart and fast learner obviously.

Kripal is the other academic involved. There's a larger scene of them, I had a brief email correspondence with one based in British Columbia a few years ago, a grad student. I think he used the term 'invisible college' too. So I figure this has been cultivated for at least the past few years.

He also mentioned they were very interested in mass pk events...

a reply to: NewArcadian

Fair enough... Welcome to the family, your straight jacket will be in the post shortly.

We have had a fair amount of trolls and yeah, new account, you catch on quick, playing the long game..

The issue I have isn't with lady Di per se, instead characters around her, Kripal being one of them as someone else has mentioned and the wonderful esalen is usually central to any of this nonsense.

a reply to: NewArcadian

I have read the book and it was "ok" - there were quite large parts that didnt need to be in there to be honest.

What parts did you like the most / dislike the most?

I listened to an interview about the Pascagoula abduction recently, and something struck me about this very odd tale.

Calvin Parker told of how, after they had seen these lights and whatnot, he was injected with something that rendered him unable to move, but still conscious.

Well, non-leathal weapons research has been an interest of many an intelligence and millitary organization for a long time. I think we can all name someone with a special passion for this subject matter.

What also struck me was that humans come equipped with a mechanism which does exactly what is described by so many abduction victims.

The scientific name for this is REM Atonia, often experienced by people who experience sleep paralysis.

This is a natural mechanism that shuts down the larger muscle groups when you sleep, but importantly does not cause life threatening issues like airway obstruction.

Why would this be of interest to anyone working with non-leathal weapons?

If it could be artificially induced, either by triggering the brain to do it, or chemically, it would provide a method of rendering someone incapacitated yet still able to breathe.

This is a crucial point, as causing someone to become unconcious, is very dangerous unless you make sure the airways do not become obstructed by the tongue causing asphyxiation.

REM atonia does not cause this problem, or we would all be in grave danger every time we sleep.

If anyone remember the Moscow Theatre Hostage Crisis it is alleged that many of the hostages died from being rendered unconcious and dying from airway blockage due to exactly tongue prolapse.

I would think any method of triggering a way of incapacitating people without the risk of killing them would be very interesting to researchers into non-lethal weapons.

Especially if you could find a way to trigger the brains natural REM atonia mechanism.

The brain is poorly understood, and if a method to trigger this atonia was found and developed, what else might it trigger in the brain?

Might it trigger a R.E.M like state, as witnessed by those victim of sleep paralysis? If chemically induced, might it cause other side effects affecting the brain? Would you be paralysed and in a dream like state?

I think it is no coincidence that there are so many similarities between Sleep Paralysis and what many abduction witnesses describe.

I don't want to derail the thread, but as abductions and the government is part of the discussion, I think this is at least a point to consider.

a reply to: NewArcadian

I didn't get why your first post is to wade in and talk about someone from the backseat of the metaphorical TTSA bus?
It's not like any of us really have anything against Diana and she rarely gets a mention in this thread. You will also need to engage your sense of humour at times. Sometimes we are not being serious.

If you like Diana's book that's fine.

But it's the events that surround the publishing of the book that are of more interest. Someone is obviously pulling her strings and it is intrinsically all linked with the "groups" who mess around with ufology in America.

a reply to: mirageman

Someone is obviously pulling her strings and it is intrinsically all linked with the "groups

So it appears?

a reply to: mirageman

I listened to the rather guarded interview with Nolan on Phenomenon radio. I thought Nolan dealt admirabley with LMH's random 'core story+' interjections.

If I heard correctly, then either John's male or female ancestry is Hapelogroup J. This is a rare Hapelgroup (maybe 1 in 970) , but not 'never recorded', although he may possess a variation - which is even rarer.

According to Nolan, it was found that both John and his son's mother shared the same rare lineage. We can either take that to be the Native American heritage or Hapelogroup J, I guess. Two people with Haplegroup J having a child is likely rare, or as Nolan states 'more special / unique'.

Herein, we hit a strange parallel. John has never had an MRI due to his pacemaker. So Nolan's commentary on the uniqueness of child from two people with rare lineage is interesting. Elsewhere, Nolan comments that the Experiencer cohort (I want to say 70 people) has an unusual trait. The high Caudate / Putamen fibre density is normally found in less than 1 in 100 people. There are 2 or more married couples within the group who both have this increased fibre density.

So, are we to assume the the odd correlation of John and his partner both having the same rare hapelgroup is totally unrelated to the rare paring of couples with the increased fibre density? In a two hour segment, can we see them as unrelated issues, connected by a common thread of UAP experience? Or do we see it as Nolan expressing two sides of the same condition?

Regardless, thank to Dr Nolan, John and KGRA for this interview. It was eye opening, and Dr Nolan should be congratulated for his steadfast approach to keeping on talking about the phenomena whilst also engaging other top scientists. Personally, I'm reticent to share my own theories on the antenna for fear of damaging this work. Also, that I have no belief in the paranormal!

Here are a few questions though.
- Isn't it logical to assume that couples with shared brain structural differences are due to join environmental exposure?
- Isn't it logical to assume that a low degree of J hapelogroup couples are due to random chance and a higher instance are due to some causation such as immune system / pheromone indicators?
- How can we reconcile the hapelgroup coincidence with the structural coincidence?
- Is it even possible to reconcile the third variable, UAP exposure -and more specifically the alleged terahertz / gamma ray exposure?

I think we can remove the rare hapelgroup mating theory from conscious human agency. Immunology seems to be the key.

The antenna structure, Nolan, I think, was describing as genetic, but possibly activated by epigenetics. Likely though, I think it's a case of the antenna just being part of the broad spectrum of being human. Maybe not neuro typical, but not much else.